Alabama football being investigated for recruiting violations
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I would love for a big stink to come out of Alabama to get UNC off the front page of scandals !!!!!!
Laremy Tunsil may have opened a can of worms for Ole Miss as well for similar things. Honestly I'd be surprised if there was a single team in the SEC not doing that type of stuff - need to do it at this point to keep up with the rest of that conference.
It's funny that state fans want to move to the sec because of all of our "cheating " and protection from the NCAA.
Yeah they can, but they think that's what they do with their cousin on Saturday night!
LMFAO...like the SEC wants them , although they could become the new doormat there.
Have you not heard the news? Not only are they going to the sec, FSU, Clemson and other teams are going to leave because they leave. Once that happens the ACC will collapse and state-ecu will be the biggest football game in the state. I'm not making this up. They have actually said it on their board.
You don't have to convince me how delusional they are. The AAC might be a more realistic destination for them though.
I'm chuckling ruefully, knowing the realities of bama's criminal enterprise as I do. If there was a RICO statute for recruiting, well.... they would be the test case.
However the other reality is that Saban has been under the protection of Mark Emmert (Saban's benefactor from his days at LSU) since his tenure as head of the NCAA, to the point of investigators resigning over Emmert's refusal to allow recommended penalties against bama (not claims, facts BTW).
bama, which had previously been labeled a "serial repeat violator" and thus under "death penalty" watch, has since still cheated with impunity. Suffice to say, if a guy like Davis is resigning, that is bama throwing out a sacrificial lamb to fall on the proverbial sword to give Emmert cover. In other words, this one must be bad.
That being said, do I expect bama to get popped while Emmert is in charge and/or saban is still there?.... I'll believe it when I see it.
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He did, but I'll give you one guess who blew the whistle on them --- talk about your ultimate ironies. Let's just say that out-cheating bama on players they want comes with consequences down that way...
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The coach in question, DL coach Bo Davis, made illegal contact (i.e. contacting during a dead period) with recruit(s) then lied to Saban about it. That's why he was forced to resign. Oooooh how sinister!
Carry on with your witch hunt though. And yes, y'all do look stupid for celebrating another school getting investigated while Carolina has five level 1 allegations pending.
Carry on with your witch hunt though. And yes, y'all do look stupid for celebrating another school getting investigated while Carolina has five level 1 allegations pending.
Furthermore, this isn't a basketball story. There is a football board on this site.
Since we have been rediculed from so many fan bases claiming we should lose banners and now that bball season is over,we'll allow it as long as fball related stories stay on this thread only.
here is the thing, what you described that assistent coach doing is a direct NCAA violation, it is absolutely within their guidelines to address this. The NOA we just got describing what the NCAA finds with us contains no direct NCAA violations for men's basketball and football. Don't know how many times this has to be said but the issues were academic issues and the NCAAs authority on academic issues is only involved when the staff steers guys to classes that are problematic. That happened with us in women's basketball but not Men's BB or FB.
The NCAA does and should investigate and punish if things are discovered that are within their realm of authority but they can not punish for those things that are not within their realm of authority. You are talking apples to oranges.
Now maybe this does fit better on the football board but gary offerred impression of bama recruiting in basketball a few weeks back and a few challenged him on that, while this may be football it is does show what is or seems to be allowed in recruiting for NCAA sports from that school. If their football coach was making contact with players in a dead period it is a direct violation, it is a direct premeditated ignoring of the set rules that are not in any way vauge, the dead periods and when they occur is crystal clear. When another program directly and on purpose violates a clear NCAA guideline it deserves to be discussed IMO.
Those that feel we should not discuss things like this, I wonder what they prefer, bury our collective heads in the sand, walk around on egg shells any time a NCAA violation occurs at another power school because we do not want to be reminded of the invalid witch hunt that has gone on involving us for the last 4-5yrs? That is the act of shame, to buy heads and walk around on eggs shells, I carry no shame, I walk head held high and proud to be a Tar Heel. I personally don't care what they (rival fan bases) care or say about the allegations that were aimed at us that the NOA does not agree with.
We (UNC) have been laid out bare for the last 4-5yrs, with both the media and rival fans bases beggin the NCAA to hammer us, post season bans, strip banners, limit schollys, and yes even the death sentence. And much like the duke lacross situation we now see it was nothing more than a feeding frenzy for all those that hated us. Truth is at this point, in part because of the fact that we have been so open to the NCAA, you are not going to find a cleaner program in the country than UNC now. We couldn't even as much as dip a toe over the line with the spot light on us so heavy, had Roy coughed on the recruiting trail 10 tape recorders would have picked it up. We can not help but to be squeeky clean at this point and it was not like we were SEC level dirty before the investigations but now we have no choice but to be squeeky clean because every reporter int he country, every nut job fan with time and money is looking for any and every angle to share with the NCAA that could hang us and trust me, if the NCAA can find something to hang us on that IS in direct violation of their guide lines they will hammer us at hard as their guidelines will allow, we will get no softness from them for the next several years. They wanted to hammer us this time but realized they could not and trying would do nothing but embarrass them in court, lesson learned from over stepping their authority against Penn St.
The media and many rival fan bases held us up as a negative standard, they held us up as a standard of what is wrong because we had some easy classes, in other words the very same things that are today occurring at most every D-1 school they single us out as a major rouge program. They want that standard applied to us but not to themselves but it does not work that way. UNC fans have NEVER asked to be held to any lower standard than any other program but we do expect every other program to be held to the same standard we are held to and when they do not then we will talk about it, we have always talked about such things.
Just out of curiosity is there a list that has unc "fans" on it or is it one of those you'll know it when you see it kind of things?
I don't understand the question in the above post.
Tar Heel fans reveal themselves by their actions, words, and support (or lack of same) for Tar Heel programs....isn't this the standard worldwide?
Tar Heel fans reveal themselves by their actions, words, and support (or lack of same) for Tar Heel programs....isn't this the standard worldwide?
Look man, feel free to disagree with anything I have said but you are nit picking by asking such a silly question and you know full well it was silly. If you do not count yourself in agreement with what I said then by all means say so. If I do not agree with what someone says I say that I don't and I say why I don't because I enjoy discussion...
Oh cry me a river. A few weeks back, Gary compared some shady bball recruiting to Alabama football recruiting and he took some flack for it. Low and behold, they are being investigated for a recruiting violation, validating his claim. Is that okay?
Here are my main points.
@DSouthr -- I fully agree. Our issues do not fall within the realm of NCAA purview, save for the direct paper trail discovered with Boxill and WBB. And I'm glad that that truth is finally being discovered by media who have been ignorant to a fact we have known for a long time.
Look beyond that though. In general, it still is a very bad look for Carolina. It is a gross black mark on our university's academic history, not so much because of the courses themselves but because of the abject failure to monitor this department and make changes and improvements when needed. Now to me, that is a MUCH bigger deal than Alabama's DL coach contacting recruits beyond the allowed time. Is it a violation? Yes. But it isn't egregious in the grand scheme of life. Our AFAM stuff is a much bigger deal (speaking in general, not just athletics), but that's my opinion and one y'all are free to disagree with.
@gary-7 @mikeirbyusa @Sk1310 it is my opinion that, due to how often Carolina has been in the headlines, that it is not a good look for this board to openly speculate on another school's possible NCAA troubles. In my opinion, it makes us as a fanbase look petty and look like we are oblivious to our own current issues.
Furthermore, it is my opinion that y'all put way too much stock into Gary's Alabama information. He's made no secret to the fact that he's an Auburn grad and Auburn football fan.
It is also my opinion that this board, led by a few posters, develops one line of thinking, regardless of topic, and basically brow beats anyone who doesn't agree. Y'all are free to disagree with this, but it's my opinion.
Have a blessed Sunday.
@DSouthr -- I fully agree. Our issues do not fall within the realm of NCAA purview, save for the direct paper trail discovered with Boxill and WBB. And I'm glad that that truth is finally being discovered by media who have been ignorant to a fact we have known for a long time.
Look beyond that though. In general, it still is a very bad look for Carolina. It is a gross black mark on our university's academic history, not so much because of the courses themselves but because of the abject failure to monitor this department and make changes and improvements when needed. Now to me, that is a MUCH bigger deal than Alabama's DL coach contacting recruits beyond the allowed time. Is it a violation? Yes. But it isn't egregious in the grand scheme of life. Our AFAM stuff is a much bigger deal (speaking in general, not just athletics), but that's my opinion and one y'all are free to disagree with.
@gary-7 @mikeirbyusa @Sk1310 it is my opinion that, due to how often Carolina has been in the headlines, that it is not a good look for this board to openly speculate on another school's possible NCAA troubles. In my opinion, it makes us as a fanbase look petty and look like we are oblivious to our own current issues.
Furthermore, it is my opinion that y'all put way too much stock into Gary's Alabama information. He's made no secret to the fact that he's an Auburn grad and Auburn football fan.
It is also my opinion that this board, led by a few posters, develops one line of thinking, regardless of topic, and basically brow beats anyone who doesn't agree. Y'all are free to disagree with this, but it's my opinion.
Have a blessed Sunday.
Not silly when someone says the following...
I got no problem with you or anyone else posting their opinion about the subject at hand. In fact I agree with you for the most part. My problem is when comments like that are made. I just don't understand why people act like there's some conditions that have to be met to be a true fan. It irritates the hell out of me.
A coach making illegal contact with a recruit is not even close to the degree of Bama treachery @gary-7 has preached about. So no, this occurrence doesn't validate his claims, IMO.
The illegal contact is speculation on my part based on what I have heard. If the investigation proves Bo Davis did more than that, I'll gladly come back and admit I was wrong about the severity of THIS specific violation.
I also concur with @tarheel0910 that the constant "you're not a real Carolina fan" accusations are also an extremely tiring aspect of Radar. Especially since they usually come from posters who I only see on this board and not on the football board as well.
Oh, yeah, there is one. I mean, one. He is also probably right. I don't mind people talking about this story. I think we can discuss issues at other places while recognizing it probably isn't a good look to condemn all these other programs without waiting for the facts first. It is the very thing we were upset other fans didn't do. There has been a long history of UNC fans thinking every other program is dirty because they land recruits we don't. It's BS and shows insecurity. Other fans do it as well but I don't give a crap about them because I'm not one of them. I would think you would agree since you prefer we discuss UNC here.
Yeah, it is silly. I'm on the main board every day discussing UNC with those guys, a bunch of dudes who hate Carolina. So are some others who people have subtly criticized for not being enough of a fan.
Your reply seemed to directly follow what I posted so I thought it was aimed at something I had said. Kinda see why ya ask now that you clarified.
...and thus the sacrificial lamb. Little Nicky occasionally has to give Uncle Marky some cover.
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The dude LOST his job over whatever he did, that is a big deal. Whatever you say though boss, you are the football expert. Not sure why you get your panties in a bunch everything football is talked about.
