Shutting the other "Luke" thread down. Thoughts?
https://northcarolina.rivals.com/news/maye-developing-into-an-important-component
https://northcarolina.rivals.com/news/maye-developing-into-an-important-component
ALL POSTERS ................. please read AJ's article on Luke
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Such a shame so many of our threads have to be locked because a few posters can't agree to disagree in a civil manner, Mike. I don't envy you or the other mods, especially with everything you've already got on your plate. This sort of sums up my assessment of Luke's roll this year.
"Maye is the fourth big, and his versatility will be useful in certain situations down the road. So having a confident fourth big who will be called on at times for extended minutes can be an important component to what the Tar Heels eventually become."
I think mike wants this thread to be about Luke, not other posters.
It's important for Luke to get minutes and continue to improve, because we'll need him down the stretch. It's unrealistic to think we can get by on three bigs.
Good to see him have a solid game this week.
With that said, I don't think it's unreasonable to have concerns about what he'll be able to contribute against top competition.
Not sure how this changes the fact that he's yet to play a good game vs. good competition. Mike, the numbers don't lie here...in games vs. top 25 teams:
2.5 mpg, .714 ppg, .571 rpg.
Really?
Plus, it's not just numbers. Anyone who watched these games saw Maye looked completely overmatched.
Once he starts playing well vs good competition we will begin to show the type of blind love that you do.
2.5 mpg, .714 ppg, .571 rpg.
Really?
Plus, it's not just numbers. Anyone who watched these games saw Maye looked completely overmatched.
Once he starts playing well vs good competition we will begin to show the type of blind love that you do.
Yes it is JuleZ. Luke will be needed over the long haul and while he isn't the most gifted basketball player he will work his tail off and give us 100%. Heck of a rebounder all things considered.
It is indeed, especially with Isaiah's propensity to be foul prone.
Reminds me of kevin mchale
Seriously he'll be a solid player here before he's done.
Seriously he'll be a solid player here before he's done.
So now we are patting him on the back twice for the Davidson game.
Yay Luke you did great.
Yay Luke you did great.
No matter what level of player Luke is, was, or will be he is a Tar Heel and what ever he can bring is needed, especially so now with Theo on the shelf. The one thing that I do know about Luke is that no matter what he lacks in talent, he will bring all he has to bring to each minute he is on the court. Truth is that does not define every player on that roster, if that were not true we would not see poor intensity to begin a game like we did vs Davidson. No he is not the most talented guy and I don't see him ever being a NBA guy and even his being a starter for us is very unlikely but he is a role player that gives what he has to give and that is all I or anyone should be asking or expecting from him.
Yeah, I asked the question in the other thread yesterday that if Joel James had a game where he was criticized and then a good one if wed have appreciation threads for him or not.
To be fair I don't think it's race. It's pretty typical for an appreciation thread for a role player to devolve into a list of his deficiencies. And yes big Joel had some appreciation threads at various times.
Really? Does everything have to be about race? Jeesh.......
i dont really recall 4 bigs on the 82, 93, 05, 09 teams maybe 93--montross, salvadori, lynch, was there a 4th??
if luke can continue to develop into a consistent three point shooter that can give short relief to meeks, bradley or hicks then i would think that role would be much better suited for him than a traditional 4/5.
if luke can continue to develop into a consistent three point shooter that can give short relief to meeks, bradley or hicks then i would think that role would be much better suited for him than a traditional 4/5.
These two posts convinced me that both of you have lost your minds, something I've long expected. You've left me no sane option but to ignore you.
How could you forget Matt Wenstrom? ** flips his bangs **
He got some burn in the NC game against Michigan, actually.
...brings to mind a classic Cool Hand Like quote: "What we have hyar is a failyur to commun-cate"...
I would think the thread would have a great deal to do with basketball skills over anything else.
That and this board has been getting weird lately...
I would think the thread would have a great deal to do with basketball skills over anything else.
That and this board has been getting weird lately...
Some of my favorite all time Heels have been the underdog types. I always said Warren Martin was one of Dean's greatest coaching accomplishments. Martin couldn't catch the ball or run the court twice when he first got here, and by his senior year he was a solid contributor. I always pulled for Hubert Davis because he was told he'd never play much at UNC. Same with Shammond. Watts and Copeland were two faves because their love for UNC was clear for all to see. Geff Crompton was another that I always wished to see do well. Others were Brad Hoffman, Scott Cherry, Timo, Jackson Simmons.
For anyone to even remotely insinuate that it's race based is absurd, and just shows that someone has a ax to grind.
The only color that matters to me is the blue and white on their uniforms.
For anyone to even remotely insinuate that it's race based is absurd, and just shows that someone has a ax to grind.
The only color that matters to me is the blue and white on their uniforms.
Because 1) he's a Tarheel and 2) because obviously someone wants to.
It's a message board that we pay to belong to, and this board is for talking about Tarheel hoops. I don't recall anyone issuing any of you a damn badge and giving you thread topic approval authority.
If you don't like it, you have options.
The title of this thread from a mod instructed ALL POSTERS to read something. Why instruct people to read an article but then stifle the comments on said article?
Mine as well. The guys with limited ability who persevere, represent the university with class, and sometimes overachieve are my favorites. Joel James from last year's team exemplifies that type of player.
Indeed. Can't for the life of me understand why race was even brought up, other than possible dain bramage.
I'm happy for Luke that he had a good game against Davidson, we needed it. I hope he continues to bust his behind in practice and give us a couple solid minutes when called upon.
As of now - I'd prefer to not see him in during crunch time of games, or much once we hit decent competition (see: Indiana game). But if he continues to improve he can work his way into that conversation as well.
As of now - I'd prefer to not see him in during crunch time of games, or much once we hit decent competition (see: Indiana game). But if he continues to improve he can work his way into that conversation as well.
Hopefully Hark doesn't check it before setting the total. If not, we can make a mint taking the under.
ETA: DAMMIT
As much as this board struggles to have decent, respectful, discussions about basketball do you really think it possible to have a race related reasonable discussion here or in any public forum and it not drop down in to allegations and insults? Even if it were possible this would not be the place for it. But I don't know that it is possible, if it is I have yet to see it.
As you can see from my very cordial poast above, I'm trying to get this ship righted. Clearly, I have the over on this one.
I don't think there's any doubt that we're going to require 6-8 solid minutes from Luke, especially with Isaiah's persistent foul issues.
I'm actually more nervous when 7th/Brandon are in there, but I understand why they're getting experience for the future. I'm also nervous when Nate is in the game too. Luke's numbers are actually better than Nate's, per minute played. Bottom line is we're going to need Luke and Nate to play some crunch time minutes if we're going to make a deep run.
6-8 until Theo gets back is fine. Once Theo gets back and can play some small ball 4 then maybe we can drop Luke's minutes a little bit from there (if needed, if he continues to step up 6-8 is fine as long as not during crunch time). Isaiah is averaging over 25 minutes per game, hopefully he can tone down the fouls a little bit to get closer to 30, but I think he's starting to come around on that a little bit - I'm pulling for him.
I like that 7th and Brandon are getting some burn against the lesser opponents. I don't think either are ready for minutes against conference foes as of now, but we'll see if they get there. I'd rather see both in there than Nate. I think what we'd get from the 3 of them are fairly similar, and at least with the first two, they're freshmen and you're developing them for later. Nate seems to be a lost cause at this point.
I'm hoping Nate was just putting too much pressure on himself with Joel out, and will not have a repeat of the other night.
First, throw out last season's numbers --- Luke was a freshman getting spot duty on a loaded team.
The key is right now --- his sophomore season and first being a major rotation player. He has only played 5 games due to a severe ankle sprain, and the toughest opponent was in his first game back off the injury. So, let's get real, as for what even this season will or will not be, and how he'll play against whomever, of course the jury is still out.
But, if you want to go ahead and do numbers even given the limited database of this season...
He's averaging 12 minutes/game and 4.2 Pts, 3.8 Rebs, 1.2 Assists
so projected over 40 minutes, we're talking 14.0 Pts, 12.7 Rebs, 4.0 Asissts
His only bad number is TO ratio, which is not at all unusual for young Bigs. Luke is a very good passer but needs to take care of the ball better.
Mike is not showing "blind love", and no, Luke does not look "overmatched" (unless you're gonna judge him on one game after sitting 2 weeks with a very bad wheel). Granted, he may not be the prototype long-armed, rangy basketball-freak athlete, but Luke IS athletic. He is 6'8, physically strong, highly coordinated, runs very well and jumps well enough for a stout kid. He's also very versatile and can play the Hybrid-4, has a nice face-up game and can shoot the rock (and the guys he played pro-am with this summer will tell you he has extended range), and as his numbers and eye-test indicate he can bang inside and rebound and pass. As his post-up game on both ends improves, so will his numbers and his contribution. I look forward to watching it. That sweet jump-hook he's added bodes well.
Again, stereotypes aside, it should be no surprise Luke is a good athlete --- he comes from athletic stock. If he chose football he'd probably make a helluva D-1 Tight End, or if he can throw the ball like his Dad, a damned good 6'8 240 lb QB. He chose basketball and is pretty dadgummed good at it --- good enough to be a major contributor at a high-major program.
Doing 40 min numbers on someone getting 12 min per game is so flawed it's ridiculous.
You watching the same games as everyone else? He looks completely lost against top 25 teams.
This got a laugh. Athletic compared to what? Certainly not other ACC players.
Neither pass against top 25 competition.
Seriously, two Luke Maye appreciation threads in one day is a new low.
I see a lot of similarities with Joel James. The same negative core group here gave him hades for not meeting their particular expectations, and the other core group defended him and pointed out what he did well, and mainly for the same reasons - He is a Tar Heel through and through who despite giving his best caught a lot of unwarranted flak from "fans" on this and other boards.
I am thrilled with B Rob so far, and have defended Woods as well. I think they will both be excellent players here. Robinson is well ahead of where I expected him to be this season.
Frankly I am ready to see folks who bash our players get some time off to think about things. This is a UNC board! It's ok to point out guys having an off game or games, but some here cross the lines into Bashing and it needs to stop. I am tired of threads getting locked because of those who ALWAYS have to weigh in with a bunch of negatives.
I hear you soap.
There's always been disagreements on here and healthy, intellectual discussion
But, this year, it's turned into a real Hatfield - McCoy bloodfeud and it's so so so so tiring.
There's always been disagreements on here and healthy, intellectual discussion
But, this year, it's turned into a real Hatfield - McCoy bloodfeud and it's so so so so tiring.
Hes only played 8 min this year against top 25 comp. Everyone else gets a pass on their fresh yr. Kenny did. diong just fine now. BTW I'm not saying hes Kenny, but whats good for the goose is good for the gander
And btw, while I do not agree with the whole race idea, I totally agree and rock the idea of showing Brob some more love. Man Dadika13 can you imagine if more of our guys played with that kind of aggression and killer instinct?
Hi DSouthr, GOD BLESS YOU MY BROTHER, you are a very good brother. My friend, you choose to recognize the good in a person. We are not PERFECT, which means you can see as much bad as their is good. FREE WILL to choose. ENOUGH SAID
!!!!!!!!!!!! GO TAR HEELS !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not just this year, it has been going on for ages or so it seems to me. Some have been bashing Nate since he got here, and it goes back to Quentin Thomas and beyond. I defend/defended both when the criticism was too harsh and unwarranted, pointing out the good things both bring/brought. I still to this day feel Thomas became an easy target and was never given a fair shake. He battled several injuries as a Tar Heel and that can mess up anyone's game.
