Wow never seen the free agency signing period like that.Even role players are cashing in with big contracts.Mike Conley could possibly make 30 million per year.What will Lebron and Durant get then 35 or 40.
Alot of players are making out good with the big nba contracts.
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Absolutely ridiculous the amount money of these players are making.
Just demonstrates how out of whack our values are these days. It's the main reason I don't watch pro sports much anymore.
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making out good? They are making out like bandits.
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Mike Conley $153 million for 5 years , last year averaged 13.6 pts.and 5.6 assts. a game. I'm talking MIKE CONLEY SMMFH.
Yeah, just wait until next year when Durant opts out and LeBron and Westbrook are free agents. The cap is supposed to jump another 20 million or so. Projections have LeBron resigning for north of $30 million/year. Durant and Westbrook will also pull close to that (max salary is dependent on years of "service"). Would be just the 3rd time in league history that a player has pulled down +$30 million a season in player contract (Jordan and Kobe are the other two).
I don't see anyone talking about and complaining how much money the owners or the NBA are making.
Sports (And particularly the NBA) is an entertainment business now. And there's a hell of a lot of money in entertainment.
No one would bat an eye if a movie star made this much.
Bingo! QFT.
No one would bat an eye if a movie star made this much.
Bingo! QFT.
Don't be obtuse. The owners have hundreds of millions of dollars invested.
Then don't be so righteous. In case some of you who admittedly don't pay attention to pro sports didn't know, the NBA is a multi-billion dollar business.
The owners make more from the NBA than the ones that actually play basketball. And their only biggest duty is to write the players' checks.
I'm not saying that they should be required to be payed equally, but it's amazing how so many are concerned with the player's pockets than the owners.
The owners make more from the NBA than the ones that actually play basketball. And their only biggest duty is to write the players' checks.
I'm not saying that they should be required to be payed equally, but it's amazing how so many are concerned with the player's pockets than the owners.
This is true. In my opinion, the owners should make more than the players. They run the business. They are the ones who have negative exposure if the league goes south. Without these current players, the owners could hire players almost as good and put out a similar product. Without the owners/teams/arenas/TV deals, we'd be watching LeBron dunk on people at a concrete court in some project in Cleveland.
All that said, both the owners and players make a ton of money. I'm all for "free market" and capitalism and getting what you can, but if the league and players really cared about the fans the way they say they do, they could make tickets and merchandise less expensive so the average fan could buy a jersey and attend a few games without breaking the bank.
I didn't see it mentioned elsewhere on this board, maybe I missed it. Barnes will be getting paid more (strict team salary, not endorsements) than Steph Curry next year. Is that true? I know Steph's colossal payday is coming down the road, but that fact is just crazy.
I heard on PTI last night, some guy nobody has ever heard of, who averages 4 points and 3 rebounds a game, getting over $10 million a year. Insane. Seems like a lot of D-leaguers could average better numbers than that if they got enough floor time in the NBA.
I heard on PTI last night, some guy nobody has ever heard of, who averages 4 points and 3 rebounds a game, getting over $10 million a year. Insane. Seems like a lot of D-leaguers could average better numbers than that if they got enough floor time in the NBA.
Hark - you just sort of hit on, eluded to, what is a challenge to my way of thinking. I am a strong proponent of free market economics and capitalism, and the ability for these markets to govern themselves via product demand and supply as a mechanism to set pricing. Which is (should be) at the core of what players and owners get paid for their ENTERTAINMENT product, vs. say other substitute products (college ball, other pro sports, local music, movies, etc).
Somehow, injecting big TV deals and the ad money to teams, that goes with the TV deals, sort of throws a wrench into free market pricing.
Which is to say, the companies that pay for the advertising that drives the TV deals and allows the obscene salaries, seems pretty disconnected from what amount fans are willing to pay to see a bunch of guys play basketball, and a not too fundamentally sound game at that.
Throw in the fact that only a couple teams are actually even playing for a title shot, and the other 28 are just trudging through 82 games a year...... I don't get the appeal of the product. I don't think the higher salary cap is facilitated by higher ticket prices. I think its the TV deals that drive the big numbers. And honestly, I can't remember the last time I watched a commercial on TV if I could help it.... mostly I DVR and FF through the commercials, or watch the highlights on sportscenter or better yet, on my pc.
I don't think I'm the exception in this regard, especially with younger generations and new technology and alternative media viewing sources. I wonder if any studies show that the advertising the companies that pay millions to put on air, that allows for the high player salaries, is a good ROI for the companies that do this sort of advertising.
Jordan made over $33 mil his last season with the Bulls in 98; inflation-adjusted, that's about $50 million for today.
You're correct, the increase in ticket pricing is simply a drop in the bucket compared to the increase in revenue generated from advertising and TV deals. I know that advertising departments do studies on their commercials and what they gauge to be the ROIs on such expenditures, but I think there's a lot of guesswork involved, and tough to tell the exact impact of a particular set of ads. I too would like to see the data on that, as I find it hard to believe that they're getting a great return on their money.
I think we're seeing that the public doesn't want to pay the current price of watching the games on TV. Cable companies continue to jack up prices of cable because the networks are charging the cable companies more, because the networks are paying the leagues more for the rights to televise their games. More people than ever are "cutting the cord" because the prices (although bundled in with the rest of the non-sports networks) are becoming too much. Once enough people cut cable, cable companies won't be able to pay the networks as much, and the networks won't pay the leagues as much.
This brings up the debate of ads on uniforms. I guess I'm against the ads being on the uniforms, but only because I recognize that the money generated will go directly to the league (and players) as additional profit - not somehow given back or even split with the fans. So from a fan's perspective, they're "worse off" in that they look at less visually appealing uniforms, without any benefit. Now, if getting ads on the uniforms somehow had some benefit to fans (say, every additional ad patch lowered a ticket by $1, made a jersey $1 cheaper, and knocked $1 off my cable bill) - I'd vote for the uniforms to be so covered in ads that you couldn't even read the team name and number.
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I actually think Mike Conley is a severely underrated player. I'd take him over many other PGs in the league that get more attention (Wall, Irving, Lillard). Conley plays both ends of the court and is the quintessential PG.
But yeah, the money these guys are making is stupid. Downright absurd. But the point is larger than just what professional athletes make. The really sad part is that our society values guys that run fast and jump high over people that are contributing to the greater good. And what's worse is that these players have developed an entitled mentality. The idea that guys "sit out" because they were offered $75 million and not the $90 million they think they deserve is embarrassing. It's embarrassing to the individual (or at least it should be) but it's also embarrassing to our society that we support that crap.
Jordan made more with Nike than he did with the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Jordan is the reason guys in the last 15 years have made such huge money. From a player standpoint he is the Godfather of Capitalism in the NBA.
Yes, more than Steph Curry and on the same level per year as Jimmy Butler. Let that sink in. Now, I'm not saying that Barnes isn't in the same ballpark talent-wise as Jimmy Butler, but Butler is a 20ppg player with an All-Star game under his belt. My my what difference a year makes in terms of salary.
I agree with Conley being a very good PG who plays both ends. Not sure I would pay him that much but that's what happens when you have a salary floor that teams have to have their payroll up to. NBAPA is strong. However I don't have issue with how much as a whole athletes make. Yes its nice to think that if they get paid millions to play a sport, what should teachers make to further our society. However athletes make millions because the sports they play make even more millions if not billions from which they get paid. There's not way to pay most positions such as teachers, military...etc even 5% of what these guys make because their professions, while very important, don't generate the money to do it. This is why private school teachers make more, they get paid because what they bring to the table brings in kids who's families shell out big money so they can attend. Its unfortunate but reality.
I'm very aware of that. But I think it's relevant that the purchasing power of Jordan's contract during 97-98 is more than 80% that of Durant's 2016-2017 contract.
1 - I realize the players make what they make because the sports themselves make ungodly money. That's my point - that our society values that stuff at that level. It's mindboggling. Me, personally, I haven't spent a dime on professional sports other than a jersey for one of my kids last Christmas. And I had to bite my lip when I was paying for it. But I don't go to professional sporting events, I don't buy merchandise, so I try to not be part of the problem.
2 - Private school teachers typically do not have higher salaries. I'm not sure you could say definitively either way, but if I had to guess, I'd say by and large, private school teachers make less. But not having to deal with the dregs of society or adhere to ridiculous govt standards would be worth several thousand dollars per year to me.
"In 2011–12, the average base salary of regular full-time teachers was higher in public schools ($53,100) than in private schools ($40,200)."
https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=55
$53K for only having to go to work for half the year? I never want to hear another person say that teachers are underpaid.
I don't know Hark. While it's true that teachers only work 3/4's of the year, their job has never been more difficult. Kids are increasingly more unruly, disrespectful, and violent. It is very difficult to punish them in any manner without parents complaining and threatening their jobs. Even when it is obvious that their child has misbehaved, parents defend their actions instead of supporting the teachers. Therefore, the inmates are now running the asylum.
The starting salary for a policeman in my city is $32K per year for performing one of the most difficult, thankless jobs there is, and risking their lives daily. Ditto for firemen. I also consider teaching to be one of the most important jobs in our society. I would much prefer to see these people making $100K a year than an actor/athlete/musician making tens of millions per year. IMO, the disparity in salary, especially in lieu of the importance of these professions, reflects very poorly on our society.
The starting salary for a policeman in my city is $32K per year for performing one of the most difficult, thankless jobs there is, and risking their lives daily. Ditto for firemen. I also consider teaching to be one of the most important jobs in our society. I would much prefer to see these people making $100K a year than an actor/athlete/musician making tens of millions per year. IMO, the disparity in salary, especially in lieu of the importance of these professions, reflects very poorly on our society.
That is the average across the nation. My mom was a teacher in NC and I know she made nowhere near $53k. Teachers work more than half the year. I don’t really think that’s relevant though. Pay should be based on performance and what the market thinks you’re worth, not how many hours you clock.
I agree for the most part. But teachers are in a tough spot. Because you can lead a horse to water...
Teachers also do a lot of work outside of the time they are at school. I would not be surprised if most full time teachers averaged over 40/week for a year.
When I was in school if I mouthed off or was disrespectful and a teacher popped me on the head or yelled at me and when my parents got there...."what did you do...and teacher did what??? sounds like you deserved it" Now no matter what the teacher takes the blame, parents cry over every little thing. Math teacher took kids phone and changed password to a solution to a problem...OUTRAGE!!! You know how hard I would laugh at my kid if he came home with a locked phone and a math problem.... Teacher has phone stolen and kid sends some of her inappropriate photos from her phone out to the school...teacher gets fired.
I would last all of 3 hours in the public school system before I told a student/parent what a waste of oxygen they/or their child was and got fired.
Teachers are underpaid and if you were able to raise pay you would have more/better qualified candidates competing for the jobs.
Now how to significantly raise the pay of over a million teachers...that is the issue.
I would last all of 3 hours in the public school system before I told a student/parent what a waste of oxygen they/or their child was and got fired.
Teachers are underpaid and if you were able to raise pay you would have more/better qualified candidates competing for the jobs.
Now how to significantly raise the pay of over a million teachers...that is the issue.
This is a good post, but likely will move to OOTB soon. My 2 cents. I have a very high level of respect for most teachers.... most bust their butts and sweat and toil, and are underpaid, but they do it because they care about the kids.
Its the way that the tables have turned where some of the students and parents can do / say anything, or have no accountability, be the victims.... and teachers always in the wrong.... that makes it a highly thankless job. Often underpaid too.
Stack on top of that the agenda BS pushed down on them from Washington or some state capitol bureaucrat: that they have to teach the kids.... common core, sex ed, global warming, gender identity, racial agenda, merits of socialism, etc.... that is what is also really unfair and hard on public teachers.....
....also a key reason I fell so fortunate and blessed to be able to have my wife home school our three kids. Total control over the entire process.... curriculum, discipline, time spent on subjects, etc. Its much more efficient and tailored to students learning styles and needs, too.
Its the way that the tables have turned where some of the students and parents can do / say anything, or have no accountability, be the victims.... and teachers always in the wrong.... that makes it a highly thankless job. Often underpaid too.
Stack on top of that the agenda BS pushed down on them from Washington or some state capitol bureaucrat: that they have to teach the kids.... common core, sex ed, global warming, gender identity, racial agenda, merits of socialism, etc.... that is what is also really unfair and hard on public teachers.....
....also a key reason I fell so fortunate and blessed to be able to have my wife home school our three kids. Total control over the entire process.... curriculum, discipline, time spent on subjects, etc. Its much more efficient and tailored to students learning styles and needs, too.
Couldn't agree more. Which is why I think it's unfair to have a union as powerful as the teachers union manipulate the "free market" of teaching salaries.
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