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No lie, I was fixing to start a thread on this and tag you. I, too, am very skeptical. I didn't read your CNN link. The article I read was on MovieFone.

I'm just not sure about this. It's very obvious Amazon wants to start its own GoT to compete with GoT. But... LOTR is nothing like that. You can't provide the gratuitous gore and sex that GoT has. That's not LOTR. The only thing they could do similar to GoT is really ramp up the 'darkness' and 'evil' aspects. For instance, the Shadow of Mordor game for PS4 stays very true to LOTR's feel and theme but is much darker than the movies. The storyline of that game would make a great mini-series or movie.
 
They could use The Silmarilion. LOL.

I started that one several times but couldn't stick with it. Maybe if they make a series about it, I won't have to read it.
 
They could use The Silmarilion. LOL.

I started that one several times but couldn't stick with it. Maybe if they make a series about it, I won't have to read it.

I read quite a bit of it years ago.

It definitely needs to be dark. I tried watching The Hobbit trilogy and just couldn't. I know the book wasn't the same as the LOTR but it was just kind of silly.

If they wanted to compete with GoT they should have adapted the Dark Tower stuff and done it right. It is very expansive with ranging worlds and genres and I always thought if someone like HBO got ahold of it that would be tremendous (instead of whatever the movie ended up being).
 
As a GOTs reader, I was shocked when hbo announced they were making the show. Had my doubts but it turned out well.

If nothing else, Amazon could use some write-offs
 


Shadow of Mordor .

Tom Bombadil

Amazon's 3,254-hour Silmarillion miniseries! .

the Dark Tower stuff .

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Okay so I've been thinking a lot about this because, well, I'm a nerd.

Here is a good article about 5 storylines the TV series could focus on. My vote is absolutely choice #3. It would be a good decision to focus on the story of Celebrimbor because he's prominently featured in the Shadow of Mordor / Shadow of War PS4/XBox1 game series... a game series that's sold millions and millions of copies. Now, granted, the version of Celebrimbor presented in those two games is, like the article says, a bastardized version and portrays him to be slightly evil and sinister. But still, even if they portray Celebrimbor more correctly in the show, I think it would be wise to build off the momentum of that videogame series.

The Elendil / Isildur idea could work for sure, especially because Numenor is never showed in the movies, so it would give the show writers infinite creative license to design it however they wanted. But I still think the Celebrimbor vs. Sauron idea is best. It would focus heavily on the creation of the rings, which movie-only and book+movie fans alike would love. And overall, it gives tons of different storylines to work into the show. In addition to following Sauron (Annatar) in human form and following Celebrimbor and his secret making of the 3 Elven rings, you could follow any of the 9 (or all of them) men who ultimately become corrupted by the nine rings. Tolkien never names any of them or says much about their past, so the show writers could really set up those characters and follow their ultimate descent into ring wraiths.

As for the other ideas presented in the article, I think the young Aragorn storyline is a non-starter. You'd have to cast someone other than Viggo Mortensen and it would just be stupid because Aragorn wouldn't look like the Aragorn everyone is used to seeing. The Beren and Luthien storyline isn't a good fit either, IMO. It's too esoteric and not similar enough to the movies. People would be like WTF is this. Same thing with the The Children of Hurin.

Some other ideas I've thought of are:

1. Following the Rangers of the North through the centuries. This would be a fantastic storyline for the show because it would appease film-only fans as well as book fans. Let's be real, for this show to be mega successful on the level of GoT, it's going to have to incorporate elements from the movies to draw in folks who know the movies but are less familiar with the books. The Rangers of the North storyline would be great because it takes place in the Third Age, the same age as all of the events in LOTR. Furthermore, it involves Gandalf and it involves Eriador, the region of middle-Earth where almost all the events of Fellowship take place... The Shire, Bree, Rivendell. Since Ian McKellen has expressed desire to play Gandalf, this storyline would be a good one. To get a sense of what I'm envisioning, read this Wikipedia page's chronological history. The series could open with the Witch-king and the Nazgul totally owning Arnor and you could incorporate all the gratuitous battle scenes and violence you wanted. Then, Arnor falls, and the line of Rangers begins. It's got Sauron, it's got Gandalf, it's got The Shire since the Rangers continuously guard The Shire. It also overlaps the time period of the War of the Dwarves and Orcs alluded to in the Hobbit movies, as well as the formation of the White Council. Lots of things hinted at in the movies could be explored in more detail.

The downside is it would have to be a bit of an "anthology" story-telling since it passes from one chieftain to the next to the next, all with similar names, but it could definitely be done. There's also plenty of villains and evil available such as Nazgul, wolves, orcs.

2. War of the Dwarves and Orcs. This by itself could be multiple seasons, especially since we're really introduced to Dwarves in the Hobbit movies.
 
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Okay so I've been thinking a lot about this because, well, I'm a nerd.

Here is a good article about 5 storylines the TV series could focus on. My vote is absolutely choice #3. It would be a good decision to focus on the story of Celebrimbor because he's prominently featured in the Shadow of Mordor / Shadow of War PS4/XBox1 game series... a game series that's sold millions and millions of copies. Now, granted, the version of Celebrimbor presented in those two games is, like the article says, a bastardized version and portrays him to be slightly evil and sinister. But still, even if they portray Celebrimbor more correctly in the show, I think it would be wise to build off the momentum of that videogame series.

The Elendil / Isildur idea could work for sure, especially because Numenor is never showed in the movies, so it would give the show writers infinite creative license to design it however they wanted. But I still think the Celebrimbor vs. Sauron idea is best. It would focus heavily on the creation of the rings, which movie-only and book+movie fans alike would love. And overall, it gives tons of different storylines to work into the show. In addition to following Sauron (Annatar) in human form and following Celebrimbor and his secret making of the 3 Elven rings, you could follow any of the 9 (or all of them) men who ultimately become corrupted by the nine rings. Tolkien never names any of them or says much about their past, so the show writers could really set up those characters and follow their ultimate descent into ring wraiths.

As for the other ideas presented in the article, I think the young Aragorn storyline is a non-starter. You'd have to cast someone other than Viggo Mortensen and it would just be stupid because Aragorn wouldn't look like the Aragorn everyone is used to seeing. The Beren and Luthien storyline isn't a good fit either, IMO. It's too esoteric and not similar enough to the movies. People would be like WTF is this. Same thing with the The Children of Hurin.

Some other ideas I've thought of are:

1. Following the Rangers of the North through the centuries. This would be a fantastic storyline for the show because it would appease film-only fans as well as book fans. Let's be real, for this show to be mega successful on the level of GoT, it's going to have to incorporate elements from the movies to draw in folks who know the movies but are less familiar with the books. The Rangers of the North storyline would be great because it takes place in the Third Age, the same age as all of the events in LOTR. Furthermore, it involves Gandalf and it involves Eriador, the region of middle-Earth where almost all the events of Fellowship take place... The Shire, Bree, Rivendell. Since Ian McKellen has expressed desire to play Gandalf, this storyline would be a good one. To get a sense of what I'm envisioning, read this Wikipedia page's chronological history. The series could open with the Witch-king and the Nazgul totally owning Arnor and you could incorporate all the gratuitous battle scenes and violence you wanted. Then, Arnor falls, and the line of Rangers begins. It's got Sauron, it's got Gandalf, it's got The Shire since the Rangers continuously guard The Shire. It also overlaps the time period of the War of the Dwarves and Orcs alluded to in the Hobbit movies, as well as the formation of the White Council. Lots of things hinted at in the movies could be explored in more detail.

The downside is it would have to be a bit of an "anthology" story-telling since it passes from one chieftain to the next to the next, all with similar names, but it could definitely be done. There's also plenty of villains and evil available such as Nazgul, wolves, orcs.

2. War of the Dwarves and Orcs. This by itself could be multiple seasons, especially since we're really introduced to Dwarves in the Hobbit movies.
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@TarHeelNation11 I think there are some interesting options there. I'm a little wary of this whole deal just because I feel like we've gotten a really good sense of the world of Middle Earth in the movies, but I think it would make the most sense to go after story lines that most aren't really familiar with or are sort of brand new instead of just retelling the story we've seen/read. I actually like the idea of an anthology series just to see multiple contained stories in that universe.
 
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Okay so I've been thinking a lot about this because, well, I'm a nerd.

Here is a good article about 5 storylines the TV series could focus on. My vote is absolutely choice #3. It would be a good decision to focus on the story of Celebrimbor because he's prominently featured in the Shadow of Mordor / Shadow of War PS4/XBox1 game series... a game series that's sold millions and millions of copies. Now, granted, the version of Celebrimbor presented in those two games is, like the article says, a bastardized version and portrays him to be slightly evil and sinister. But still, even if they portray Celebrimbor more correctly in the show, I think it would be wise to build off the momentum of that videogame series.

The Elendil / Isildur idea could work for sure, especially because Numenor is never showed in the movies, so it would give the show writers infinite creative license to design it however they wanted. But I still think the Celebrimbor vs. Sauron idea is best. It would focus heavily on the creation of the rings, which movie-only and book+movie fans alike would love. And overall, it gives tons of different storylines to work into the show. In addition to following Sauron (Annatar) in human form and following Celebrimbor and his secret making of the 3 Elven rings, you could follow any of the 9 (or all of them) men who ultimately become corrupted by the nine rings. Tolkien never names any of them or says much about their past, so the show writers could really set up those characters and follow their ultimate descent into ring wraiths.

As for the other ideas presented in the article, I think the young Aragorn storyline is a non-starter. You'd have to cast someone other than Viggo Mortensen and it would just be stupid because Aragorn wouldn't look like the Aragorn everyone is used to seeing. The Beren and Luthien storyline isn't a good fit either, IMO. It's too esoteric and not similar enough to the movies. People would be like WTF is this. Same thing with the The Children of Hurin.

Some other ideas I've thought of are:

1. Following the Rangers of the North through the centuries. This would be a fantastic storyline for the show because it would appease film-only fans as well as book fans. Let's be real, for this show to be mega successful on the level of GoT, it's going to have to incorporate elements from the movies to draw in folks who know the movies but are less familiar with the books. The Rangers of the North storyline would be great because it takes place in the Third Age, the same age as all of the events in LOTR. Furthermore, it involves Gandalf and it involves Eriador, the region of middle-Earth where almost all the events of Fellowship take place... The Shire, Bree, Rivendell. Since Ian McKellen has expressed desire to play Gandalf, this storyline would be a good one. To get a sense of what I'm envisioning, read this Wikipedia page's chronological history. The series could open with the Witch-king and the Nazgul totally owning Arnor and you could incorporate all the gratuitous battle scenes and violence you wanted. Then, Arnor falls, and the line of Rangers begins. It's got Sauron, it's got Gandalf, it's got The Shire since the Rangers continuously guard The Shire. It also overlaps the time period of the War of the Dwarves and Orcs alluded to in the Hobbit movies, as well as the formation of the White Council. Lots of things hinted at in the movies could be explored in more detail.

The downside is it would have to be a bit of an "anthology" story-telling since it passes from one chieftain to the next to the next, all with similar names, but it could definitely be done. There's also plenty of villains and evil available such as Nazgul, wolves, orcs.

2. War of the Dwarves and Orcs. This by itself could be multiple seasons, especially since we're really introduced to Dwarves in the Hobbit movies.
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@TarHeelNation11 I think there are some interesting options there. I'm a little wary of this whole deal just because I feel like we've gotten a really good sense of the world of Middle Earth in the movies, but I think it would make the most sense to go after story lines that most aren't really familiar with or are sort of brand new instead of just retelling the story we've seen/read. I actually like the idea of an anthology series just to see multiple contained stories in that universe.
If they're open to doing an anthology series, it really opens up the possibilities. The good thing about the Rangers of the North storyline I described above is, while it would contain enough locations people are familiar with (The Shire, Rivendell), it could focus on the kingdom of Arnor (North of the Shire) which is the sister kingdom of Gondor and never discussed in the LOTR movies. Like I said above, the lead Nazgul leads a force against the kingdom of Arnor and obliterates all its cities and fortresses and completely takes over the kingdom and makes it the realm of the Witch-king. This would allow the show writers to start the series with Arnor still standing and create as amazingly elegant cities and fortresses as they wanted, and then quickly into the first season, the ring wraiths come, siege it, and destroy it. In Tolkien lore, the next in line to be king of Arnor decides not to accept the title, since Arnor is destoryed, and instead he becomes the first Ranger. This dude, Aranarth, could be a main character in the first season.

And, also, at the exact same time period that Aranarth's rule as Chieftain of the Rangers begins, after defeating Arnor, the Witch-king and Nazgul go to the Gondorian city Minas Ithil, capture it and turn it into Minas Morgul (the tower that shoots the crazy green light out in Return of the King). That would be another "new" civilization for the show writers to explore.

And then you'd get to the anthology nature of the show where the line of Rangers would move from one Chieftain to the next over the years. Obviously you could simplify it and have less than there are on the wiki page I linked by just making them live longer. And since they have similar names, you could do some type of visual gimmick to mark a chieftain at any time during the series, such as giving him a specific armor design or shield or crown or whatever, sorta like the white streak of hair gimmick that Rutherford uses in London to denote descendants of the same character.
 
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But yeah, as for that rundown, I'm with you on Door No. 3 being by far the best option. But Young Aragorn is probably the more likely path, since we know the entertainment industry goes for the obvious and easiest 99 percent of the time.

Children of Hurin, hell to the no. Elendil and Isildur doesn't seem to lend itself to any semblance of a cohesive storyline, Beren and Luthien kind of the same, and possibly hokey too, being underpinned by the love story. (I'm not sure I've read that, updating Goodread brb.) (Edit: Oh wait, now I see the format. Maybe I'll wait for the miniseries.)

Like your alternative ideas, too.
 
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Okay so I've been thinking a lot about this because, well, I'm a nerd.

Here is a good article about 5 storylines the TV series could focus on. My vote is absolutely choice #3. It would be a good decision to focus on the story of Celebrimbor because he's prominently featured in the Shadow of Mordor / Shadow of War PS4/XBox1 game series... a game series that's sold millions and millions of copies. Now, granted, the version of Celebrimbor presented in those two games is, like the article says, a bastardized version and portrays him to be slightly evil and sinister. But still, even if they portray Celebrimbor more correctly in the show, I think it would be wise to build off the momentum of that videogame series.

The Elendil / Isildur idea could work for sure, especially because Numenor is never showed in the movies, so it would give the show writers infinite creative license to design it however they wanted. But I still think the Celebrimbor vs. Sauron idea is best. It would focus heavily on the creation of the rings, which movie-only and book+movie fans alike would love. And overall, it gives tons of different storylines to work into the show. In addition to following Sauron (Annatar) in human form and following Celebrimbor and his secret making of the 3 Elven rings, you could follow any of the 9 (or all of them) men who ultimately become corrupted by the nine rings. Tolkien never names any of them or says much about their past, so the show writers could really set up those characters and follow their ultimate descent into ring wraiths.

As for the other ideas presented in the article, I think the young Aragorn storyline is a non-starter. You'd have to cast someone other than Viggo Mortensen and it would just be stupid because Aragorn wouldn't look like the Aragorn everyone is used to seeing. The Beren and Luthien storyline isn't a good fit either, IMO. It's too esoteric and not similar enough to the movies. People would be like WTF is this. Same thing with the The Children of Hurin.

Some other ideas I've thought of are:

1. Following the Rangers of the North through the centuries. This would be a fantastic storyline for the show because it would appease film-only fans as well as book fans. Let's be real, for this show to be mega successful on the level of GoT, it's going to have to incorporate elements from the movies to draw in folks who know the movies but are less familiar with the books. The Rangers of the North storyline would be great because it takes place in the Third Age, the same age as all of the events in LOTR. Furthermore, it involves Gandalf and it involves Eriador, the region of middle-Earth where almost all the events of Fellowship take place... The Shire, Bree, Rivendell. Since Ian McKellen has expressed desire to play Gandalf, this storyline would be a good one. To get a sense of what I'm envisioning, read this Wikipedia page's chronological history. The series could open with the Witch-king and the Nazgul totally owning Arnor and you could incorporate all the gratuitous battle scenes and violence you wanted. Then, Arnor falls, and the line of Rangers begins. It's got Sauron, it's got Gandalf, it's got The Shire since the Rangers continuously guard The Shire. It also overlaps the time period of the War of the Dwarves and Orcs alluded to in the Hobbit movies, as well as the formation of the White Council. Lots of things hinted at in the movies could be explored in more detail.

The downside is it would have to be a bit of an "anthology" story-telling since it passes from one chieftain to the next to the next, all with similar names, but it could definitely be done. There's also plenty of villains and evil available such as Nazgul, wolves, orcs.

2. War of the Dwarves and Orcs. This by itself could be multiple seasons, especially since we're really introduced to Dwarves in the Hobbit movies.


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@TarHeelNation11 have you seen this?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...-new-jrr-tolkien-book-to-be-published-in-2018

In general I've found it hard to get into most of the posthumous stuff finished by his son, but this looks like it could have potential.
I've seen that it's coming out. I don't want this to be the subject of the show though. You'll lose way too many people who are movie-only fans because it's not similar enough to the movies (IMO).

I mean, it would be better than the "young Aragorn" story line from the article I posted above, and probably better than Beren/Luthiel. But the other 3 ideas are way better, IMO.

I still think they should start the show at year 2000 of the Third Age and chronicle the Nazgul overthrow of Minas Arnor and then the overthrow of Minas Ithil and transformation into Minas Morgul. I think you could tie those two story lines together very well, and then of course get into the rise of the Rangers after Arnor's fall. To me, it's the most seamless story line and it's similar enough to the movies (you could throw in the Rangers defending The Shire and you could throw in Gandalf too wherever you wanted) while giving the writers enough creative license to write in epic battles as well as any love stories or internal city politics they want.
 
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