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And I think he just saw his best chance of winning another title go by the wayside.

As the article in another post said, many thought they were invincible after dook totally dismantled UK early on. But they simply never improved over the course of the season as many other teams did. Just a piss poor coaching job by Knight Lite who never even made an attempt to develop a bench and burned Baker’s RS for a handful of minutes.

I would hate to be his dog right now, he’s probably cowering under the bed.

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He's basically turned into a game manager....Much like some NBA coaches and AAU coaches....Amazing to think how much talent that both He and Calipari have had, but both have done very little with it....

Sucks for their fans, but it's all pure joy for their rivals...
 
Plain and simple, he is a shadow of his former coaching self... now just a fraud, pulling any string and working any angle to try to extend a career which is long out of date... a bit like his greatest cheerleader Dukie V.

In many ways K and Roy are vinegar and wine... K is getting more and more sour with age whilst Roy seems to be doing a better and better job with each passing year.
 
Plain and simple, he is a shadow of his former coaching self... now just a fraud, pulling any string and working any angle to try to extend a career which is long out of date... a bit like his greatest cheerleader Dukie V.

In many ways K and Roy are vinegar and wine... K is getting more and more sour with age whilst Roy seems to be doing a better and better job with each passing year.
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He does the least with the most .... has for many years (but so did Dean, in my opinion ... in regards to NCAAT success).
Yea Dean did have a lot talent in those tournament runs for two titles. But things are changing with the 2020 class likely the last one and done classes. Cant find the article but Jeff Goodman said Duke changed the one and done type recruiting starting with the incoming class. Does make some sense they looked to have 2/3 multi year guys from that class.
 
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He does the least with the most .... has for many years (but so did Dean, in my opinion ... in regards to NCAAT success).
Dean was not obsessed with winning every game he could. He was more concerned with building good citizens, basketball was secondary to that. Not so with Knight Lite. With him, it’s all about building his legacy, much like Obama.
 
Dean was not obsessed with winning every game he could. He was more concerned with building good citizens, basketball was secondary to that. Not so with Knight Lite. With him, it’s all about building his legacy, much like Obama.
As a coach and fans that's what your suppose to do is win titles. This year many of us was glad we made it this far because we wasn't expected to. Duke lost and it was that didn't win a title its a bad year we are the same, this is Carolina after all. Last year the same was said and we have lost blowouts the last two years in sweet 16 and most feel that we overachieved which is not the case/
 
After all though its amazes me how much including myself live daily lives feeding off what 18-21 year old kids do and our almost 80 year coaches haha
 
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As a coach and fans that's what your suppose to do is win titles. This year many of us was glad we made it this far because we wasn't expected to. Duke lost and it was that didn't win a title its a bad year we are the same, this is Carolina after all. Last year the same was said and we have lost blowouts the last two years in sweet 16 and most feel that we overachieved which is not the case/

After all though its amazes me how much including myself live daily lives feeding off what 18-21 year old kids do and our almost 80 year coaches haha
I read these two posts and I find it very hard to believe you graduated from UNC.
 
He does the least with the most .... has for many years (but so did Dean, in my opinion ... in regards to NCAAT success).
Yep! Lets not forget the Three Headed Center Dean had back in the 70's with Yonaker et al. I believe that team finished 1st or 2nd in the ACC and won the ACCT? Someone correct me if Im wrong. The old memory isnt as good as it once was.
 
Dean was not obsessed with winning every game he could. He was more concerned with building good citizens, basketball was secondary to that. Not so with Knight Lite. With him, it’s all about building his legacy, much like Obama.

I dont care what Dean's reasons were, he underachieved BIGTIME in the NCAAT. I loved the guy, played golf with him multiple times and attended his high school coaches camps throughout my childhood. He was incredible at player and person development, but he should have won at least 4 NCAA titles. IMO.
 
As a coach and fans that's what your suppose to do is win titles. This year many of us was glad we made it this far because we wasn't expected to. Duke lost and it was that didn't win a title its a bad year we are the same, this is Carolina after all. Last year the same was said and we have lost blowouts the last two years in sweet 16 and most feel that we overachieved which is not the case/
Only an idiot or someone who doesn't understand the game would use only a title to determine if a season was successful. If you have to win a title to have a successful year, then every coach in the history of the game is a massive failure. No one is supposed to win a title.
 
I dont care what Dean's reasons were, he underachieved BIGTIME in the NCAAT. I loved the guy, played golf with him multiple times and attended his high school coaches camps throughout my childhood. He was incredible at player and person development, but he should have won at least 4 NCAA titles. IMO.
And he would have given the talent that got him to the games. Most of his near misses he was missing vital cogs in his offensive schemes. Hard to win that way. But I agree if just looking at Nattys he underachieved.

He did over coach himself and let Mike O'Koren sit on the bench with a liability like Buckley playing to long in the Marquette game. Thats the only one I put the total game on Coach.
 
And he would have given the talent that got him to the games. Most of his near misses he was missing vital cogs in his offensive schemes. Hard to win that way. But I agree if just looking at Nattys he underachieved.

He did over coach himself and let Mike O'Koren sit on the bench with a liability like Buckley playing to long in the Marquette game. Thats the only one I put the total game on Coach.

Just curious what some of the older heels (I am in that category) feel about the '77 loss. Was it a game Smith may have over-coached from the bench and should be counted among the ones that got away or was it a game UNC really had no business even getting to because of the injuries? I look at it like the '84 and '12 seasons - really thought Carolina had the best team but injuries were too much to overcome.
 
Only an idiot or someone who doesn't understand the game would use only a title to determine if a season was successful. If you have to win a title to have a successful year, then every coach in the history of the game is a massive failure. No one is supposed to win a title.

Yeah preseason odds should never be higher than like 10/1 even with a team like the 09 Heels. The tournament format just makes it insanely hard to win a title.
 
Just curious what some of the older heels (I am in that category) feel about the '77 loss. Was it a game Smith may have over-coached from the bench and should be counted among the ones that got away or was it a game UNC really had no business even getting to because of the injuries? I look at it like the '84 and '12 seasons - really thought Carolina had the best team but injuries were too much to overcome.

I think the 77 team should have won that game. I remember wondering to myself why O'Koren was sitting at the scoring table when Marquette made their run. Buckley wasn't near the player O'Koren was, nor as close to being as good of a defender. We had that game get away from us in my opinion because Coach Smith out coached himself. He just thought way to much. As for O'Koren here are his stats, so the reason why he sat at the scorers table continues to boggle the mind.

As of 2013, O'Koren is the only player in North Carolina history to have scored at least 1,500 points (1,765), 800 rebounds (815) and 300 assists (348). He also had 183 steals and a career field goal percentage of 57.2
 
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I remember it as YonWolfKo for Chickie Yonakor, Jeff Wolf and Pete Budko, but it probably was YonWolfSin in1977 for Steve Krafcisin who played very well in the Regional Final against Kentucky. Krafcisin transferred home to Iowa after his freshman year and had an excellent career
 
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Just curious what some of the older heels (I am in that category) feel about the '77 loss. Was it a game Smith may have over-coached from the bench and should be counted among the ones that got away or was it a game UNC really had no business even getting to because of the injuries? I look at it like the '84 and '12 seasons - really thought Carolina had the best team but injuries were too much to overcome.
IIRC, we we up 8-10 points in ‘77, Dean went to the four corners, and our offense bogged down. Al McGuire said afterward that Dean’s decision to take the air out of the ball was what allowed Marquette to win, that they were really struggling to defend UNC’s offense before that.

I was on an aircraft carrier in the Med during this game, listening in the radio shack. Broke my heart. I do think Dean got a little too cute sometimes and overthought things.
 
IIRC, we we up 8-10 points in ‘77, Dean went to the four corners, and our offense bogged down. Al McGuire said afterward that Dean’s decision to take the air out of the ball was what allowed Marquette to win, that they were really struggling to defend UNC’s offense before that.

I do think Dean got a little too cute sometimes and overthought things.
I think Dean did a helluva job getting that MASH unit of a team to the finals, and in position to win. Unfortunately, I also have to agree that he may have overthought things by going 4C and trying to milk that lead.
 
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