Imo unc should have more than enough $$$$ to pay whomever they want ! With our history etc .... we should be the leaders not followers!
Andrej Stojakovic
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Except when it comes to being turned down, more and more often not about $$$.
How much have you donated?
Because in my personal experience, most of the alumni I know refuse to donate because "they should want to play for us because we're Carolina."
Don't want to play for Hubert and/or this coaching staff?
It's not about them as much as it is about their body of malpractice from last season (all of which is of course on film) that has indeed scared away more than one prospect already.
We didn't help Cadeau but quite honestly, he didn't help himself either.
Just like everything in life it is never just one thing. If he had developed himself into a 3 point threat, that would helped him tremendously. Maybe not take silly fouls and put yourself in bad situations even if people will say he didn't deserve those fouls, you have to know from past experience that you will get the call. Some of the absolutely silly turnovers.
I'm sure having a front court threat would have helped him more than anyone.
I think his immaturity played a big part. We payed the price for that but unfortunately, we won't get any of the payback because I think he is only going to get better as he matures.
He has the skills and if he can develop a respectable outside shot with a good frontcourt threat, then all he has to do is cut down a few unforced errors.
What could have been.
Still it seems like we got a good one in return with good upside just maybe not the same upside that Cadeau could give you.
Just like everything in life it is never just one thing. If he had developed himself into a 3 point threat, that would helped him tremendously. Maybe not take silly fouls and put yourself in bad situations even if people will say he didn't deserve those fouls, you have to know from past experience that you will get the call. Some of the absolutely silly turnovers.
I'm sure having a front court threat would have helped him more than anyone.
I think his immaturity played a big part. We payed the price for that but unfortunately, we won't get any of the payback because I think he is only going to get better as he matures.
He has the skills and if he can develop a respectable outside shot with a good frontcourt threat, then all he has to do is cut down a few unforced errors.
What could have been.
Still it seems like we got a good one in return with good upside just maybe not the same upside that Cadeau could give you.
Drake reminds me of David Noel a little bit. Athletic but offense was lacking until his last year and he kind of exploded. Defense was great all during that time but had both at the end. I think Drake is more athletic and longer and his upside is a lot higher than Noels. Could see a breakout year for him if he develops a killer mentality. But he was so much better than anyone in the area in HS and could have had 40-50 every night but didnt.
Again when have we seen Seth Trimble’s handle on full display? He always on the wing. At 6’3 he’s a big guard who could honestly just back down the person who’s guarding him like a Andre Miller 94 ft.
He’s more Manuel, with a bit more offensive ability. Leaky is another decent comp, but a much better shot.
That may be the thing that finally kills and buries that sentimental 'keep UNC basketball all in the family' nonsense. Players just make it clear they want coach like 2what we saw in the this Final Four, not like Hubert. They want to win big, not underachieve with a coach clearly making his fair share off obvious blunders.
I see folks asking, where is the guy to replace RJ, others say the loss of Cadeau just no way we can over come that? They suggest where is our RJ for next season that gets the ball late in a game and we really need a score, where is that one guy? My view is I don't know that I see that guy and I would quickly add that I don't know that I want to see that guy. The entire point of what Dean taught was to have 5 options to score on the floor, not just 1.
What I watched last season, what I have watched since Hubert took over is far to much 1 on 1 play, not nearly as much team together play. I saw a team poorly taught to set screens, starting guards that did not read any options off BHOs. Our guards turned down the set screens as often as they took them, why set the screen in the first place? Why do you have your center out setting screens above the top of the key, I mean exactly WTF is that? How often did you see our center set a screen and make contact that diverts the ball chaser at the foul line? That is just being poorly taught, no other real answer.
Now I am not going to say that Hubert has gone full on Nate Oates stupid by saying NO MID RANGE SHOTS ALLOWED but he has clearly limited them. If Hubert does the same thing to Jarin he did with Jalen, then Hubert needs to go, no matter how many wins we may have. The mid range jumper is by far the best weapon Jarin has, just as it was with Jalen, I think it may be Drakes best weapon as well. Turn them lose and let them take the shots they are most comfortable taking, that is how you make up for no RJ.
Except you're missing the point.
I can tell you that prospects --- HS and transfers --- pretty much universally love the family vibe and that the staff are Carolina guys. There is no nonsense about that. The problem comes when they see the product, and there was ZERO excuse for last season's struggles.
But here's the thing: Those struggles were NOT because the staff are Carolina guys --- just the oppostie --- it was because Hubert (and a certain Asst) stopped coaching Caroiina basketball.
If/when Hubert is canned, reflexively going outside the family would be a monumental self-own. Just find the guy who will coach what they were taught.
I'd add the last 2 seasons. If hubby's misuse of players is obvious to fans like me it's GLARING to upcoming players and potential recruits. And the exodus of some highly regarded recruits through the transporter has got to raise some eyebrows and cause questions to be asked among incoming players and their handlers. And there may be something to the rumblings and talk that the UNC bball program, as it currently exist, has lost it's luster. I think "stale" is the word being thrown around. jmo
Dammit gary, why ya have to go entice me to say something that I have refrained from getting in to? You had to go mention that "certain asst". I am going to refrain yet again and simply suggest folks look at our assistant coaches and consider if one of them just doesn't seem to fit?
Dean had Gut to bounce his thoughts off of, Dean would listen to what Gut thought, Dean had complete trust in Gut. Roy had Steve as his Gut, Roy trusted Steve's input, most everyone else on Roy's staff were yes coach guys, Steve would privately tell Roy what he needed to hear. It is easy to see who Hubert seems to think is his version of Gut or Steve but is that a wise choice, I would suggest maybe not. I don't know that he would do it at this point but the perfect guy for Hubert to bring in as his Gut would be Phil.
It 1000% has. I tried to tell folks here that losing Eliot in particular, and then Jackson, caused a collecive "WTF?" out there, and those who didn't already know why, welp... they started looking closer --- and yes, they saw what you saw.
There are at least 2 transfer prospects and 1 HS prospect who have been discussed in recent threads here who have specifically cited that for their lack of interest.
Brother, I dunno if we're on the same wave-length as to the unnamed culprit (maybe?), but you know damn well you will NEVER get an argument from me about Phil.
Unfortunately, he's past being interested.
My concerns go back to the last 4 seasons under Hubert, not just the last 2, want to be very clear about that. I was more accepting for the first season because he was new to the job, was going to make mistakes, I am OK with a coach making mistakes but I prefer a coach to have made those rookie mistakes elsewhere and not at UNC. What so concerns me is you demand your players learn from their mistakes and not keep making them, I expect at least that from an in-experienced head coach no matter the level of play, ACC or high school. A coach, just like a player has to learn from their mistakes and not keep on making the same old mistakes they should have learned from 3 years ago?
I don't know if it is that stupid notion of "position-less basketball" or just an inability to evaluate individual talent or BOTH. But Hubert has one more ta bat if he strikes out this time it is game over.
If you guys don't stop teasing, I'm going to have to change my handle to Carolina Blue Balls. And my avatar pic won't be pretty.
Which assistant are we talking about?
Which players are we talking about?
Which assistant are we talking about?
Which players are we talking about?
Gary, you know who I am talking about, I will put it this way, he has more head coaching experience than Hubert did when Hubert took this gig.
Yeah, I know, Phil does not like at all how the game has changed off the court and how it has effected players on the court, so yeah Phil would not do it, wish he would.
WW, it is just a can of worms I have not really wanted to open up. I figure it either gets worked out or Hubert is canned and the problem takes care of itself. Either way it is on Hubert to handle to not.
Unless my memory is failing me (quite possible btw), there is only 1 coach on the bench that has any head coaching experience besides Hubert.
Considering he had an extremely underwhelming head coaching career, I don’t know why anyone would be surprised that said assistant might be underwhelming in an advisory role.
Like I’ve said before, how many of these assistants would quickly get a P4 job if Hubert is fired? I’d say no more than 1 and likely none.
Like I’ve said before, how many of these assistants would quickly get a P4 job if Hubert is fired? I’d say no more than 1 and likely none.
I know that certain assistant isn’t Sean May. You can tell how Sean looks on the bench he doesn’t agree.
I may be wrong on this but if I recall some of Roy’s UNC assistants:
- Steve Robinson (didn’t play at UNC)
- Jared Haase (didn’t play at UNC)
- CB McGrath (didn’t play at UNC)
No idea why playing at UNC is a requirement for a first time head coach in Hubert.
It’s also disappointing to me that there hasn’t been any changes within the coaching staff. To me, that shows a lack of accountability.
- Steve Robinson (didn’t play at UNC)
- Jared Haase (didn’t play at UNC)
- CB McGrath (didn’t play at UNC)
No idea why playing at UNC is a requirement for a first time head coach in Hubert.
It’s also disappointing to me that there hasn’t been any changes within the coaching staff. To me, that shows a lack of accountability.
Again, that is NOT the point. Roy apppointed Assts he was comfortable with and coached/played with/for HIM in the Carolina system. Thus, none of these guys are outsiders. Please take that off the table.
Well, damn Dave. Just give it away, why donthca?...
Seriously though (and I suspect you can relate), it took me (and others closer to the program than either of us) a while to narrow down to whom Hubert is too reliant on. In fairness, Jeff has always been an excellent "X-and-O" guy (he was at TTech, UTC, Auburn and ECU) --- in fact, he has drawn up some killer "situational" plays since he's been here, and I suspect he was the mastermind behind scheming us to the FF in Hubert's first season.
BUT.... with that said, he was never a "system" guy, vis-s-vis Dean's legacy, and that was his downfall once he moved up in HC level. With my Auburn ties, I watched him closely there and pulled for him as hard as I could, but not fully embracing the Caroiina system doomed him to underachieving, TBH --- same thing happened in Greenville.
Anyway, once I saw what happened to our transition game this past season, I got a familiar knot in my gut, and after doing some digging, yeah..... sure enough.
Noted, I’m not going to take it off the table because I thought it was a silly qualification for a head coach with 0 head coaching experience to require. IMO it was a weird group of assistants.
I didn’t follow Steve Robinson at Florida State or Jared Haase at Stanford. So I don’t know. Did they deviate from the Carolina System? Why did they fail?
IMO a likely answer to this is UNC got really lucky with Roy. It’s very common in other sports where assistants that try to replicate the system fail elsewhere (every Belichick assistant, Phil Jackson’s assistants, Coach K’s tree hasn’t replicated the success).
There are of course exceptions. Nick Saban and obviously Dean Smith. I know it’s a little different here since Hubert was already here and maybe I should take that part more seriously.
But I think in the end, UNC simply hired someone who was unqualified for this position. Maybe it all works out in the end. But usually the guy who replaces THE GUY doesn’t work out. And I’m not expecting Hubert to be the exception, even if he runs the Carolina System 100000% of the time.
I was probably naive to how important the family dynamic was. But if it’s as important as it looks to be, then the program should’ve prioritized that and tried to create a deeper coaching tree under Roy than it did.
LOL, my next reply was going to be Colonel Mustard in the library with a candle stick! LOLWell, damn Dave. Just give it away, why donthca?...
Seriously though (and I suspect you can relate), it took me (and others closer to the program than either of us) a while to narrow down to whom Hubert is too reliant on. In fairness, Jeff has always been an excellent "X-and-O" guy (he was at TTech, UTC, Auburn and ECU) --- in fact, he has drawn up some killer "situational" plays since he's been here, and I suspect he was the mastermind behind scheming us to the FF in Hubert's first season.
BUT.... with that said, he was never a "system" guy, vis-s-vis Dean's legacy, and that was his downfall once he moved up in HC level. With my Auburn ties, I watched him closely there and pulled for him as hard as I could, but not fully embracing the Caroiina system doomed him to underachieving, TBH --- same thing happened in Greenville.
Anyway, once I saw what happened to our transition game this past season, I got a familiar knot in my gut, and after doing some digging, yeah..... sure enough.
I think with Hubert it has been a combination of his lack of experience as a head coach and his need for people to like him. He has allowed some voices to move him in to directions that just are not smart, he has allowed Lebo to direct him in to a ditch. Players are getting conflicting messages, that happened on Doh's staff, it did not happen on Dean or Roy's staffs.
For the millionth time, neither you nor anyone else had any idea whether or not Hubert was qualified when he was hired. If his previous resume is the criteria, well, then Roy was unqualified for the Kansas job. Period.
As for this staff, there's nothing inherently odd about it. The mistake was letting Rob go. Now, I can see the thinking of bringing Jeff in due to HC exerience and X-and-O chops, but Hubert's mistake has been letting Jeff have too much system sway, hamstringing our transition game and alienating our elite PG.
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