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So we got the news about Cadeau and JWashington. Player meetings started last Monday and it is now Thursday. Seems like plenty enough time to get through 12 basketball players.

Should we discern that no one else is entering a transfer portal or just that others are weighing their decisions? Obviously Drake and Ian have NBA decisions to make.

Our current needs stand at at least one quality big, outside shooters/makers, and a point guard. It would be nice to know what else we might need.
 
Probably nothing more until after the dust settles with the tournament and players get an idea of who is leaving due a solid ncaa run making them attractive. I think they have until mid-late April to enter the portal.
 
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Probably but I hate this system. I love the players having control of their NIL but I hate the freedom to transfer with no restrictions. I think the NCAA (or whatever entity actually has cajones) should step up and regulate this mess, especially the portal. Peeps should have some freedom but giving kids unlimited freedom is never a good idea!
 
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Probably but I hate this system. I love the players having control of their NIL but I hate the freedom to transfer with no restrictions. I think the NCAA (or whatever entity actually has cajones) should step up and regulate this mess, especially the portal. Peeps should have some freedom but giving kids unlimited freedom is never a good idea!
Unlimited freedom is never a good thing...hmmm. That's an interesting take. Maybe so.

This annual carousel is definitely not boring! That's got a value to it all by itself! You can't really form much of a bond when the whole damn team is different every season, I'll say that much.
 
I always think that nearly everybody should put their name in the draft - on the theory that they may get useful feedback.

This year the only obvious guys who should "test the waters" are Ian and Drake. I think the odds favor both being drafted, but maybe not early enough or with enough certainty to entice them to stay in the draft. But that could change if they are invited to tryouts or whatever.

As for the portal, that's trickier. Even if you haven't been invited to leave by Hubert, if you enter the portal, you may find your position has been filled should you change your mind.

Last year Trimble entered the portal and came back. I assume Hubert was happy to have him back. I think he should enter the portal again. On the theory that he will be more valuable if he can play somewhere good as a PG, at least enough to make it clear whether he has the chops for that. Since we're already going after PGs in the portal, it's pretty clear that he won't get that chance here. Then again, maybe he doesn't want to be a PG. So maybe having the SG starter position as his to lose is what he's been waiting for.

I've said before that Seth seems to improve in the off season, then regress over the course of the season. His trajectory is part of the reason why I think Hubert and his staff are weak on development. Which could, of course, be totally wrong. But if that is correct, I think Seth could benefit from playing for a school that would help him develop more. And I'm sure he'd be eagerly sought by a number of good coaches.

I'm surprised Cade's entry into the portal hasn't already been announced. Is he just taking his time, or is there something else going on?

I don't see any reason for Brown or High to transfer. But I don't see any reason for them to stay, either. They are definitely going to be recruited over. But if they feel they'll get good development here and have a shot to start someday, then, sure, stick around.

Lubin is a tough call. I felt he played well for us most of the year - especially by the end. His starting position may be in jeopardy if our combine succeeds in landing 2 starter-quality big men. But I would still expect him to get plenty of PT. He's one of the few players that I think Hubert figured out how to use well. That said, even though I don't necessarily think Lubin should enter the portal, I do think he should put his name in the draft. For feedback.

Back to Ian and Drake. I have them entering the draft. I think Ian, at least, and maybe Drake should also enter the portal.

We've all heard the story over and over about Ian contacting Hubert every night to ask what he can do better. Great story. Sounds like a very coachable kid. But what good did it do him? He started the season with freshman flutters, then turned the corner, then regressed. To me, Ian is another case that suggests our coaching staff isn't good at development. In fact, Ian's development was so poor, it may have hurt his draft chances this year. If Ian isn't drafted, he needs to look for a better place to develop.

Drake is different. His freshman season got off to a smoother start than Ian's and he did show signs of development. I can't tell if the coaching staff had much to do with that, but he improved. Nevertheless, I can't help wondering if Drake, like Ian, didn't get the development he might have gotten with another team. If Drake thinks he got good coaching, then who am I to argue - and he should stay. If not, he should enter to portal as well as the draft.

Just my opinions.
 
I always think that nearly everybody should put their name in the draft - on the theory that they may get useful feedback.

This year the only obvious guys who should "test the waters" are Ian and Drake. I think the odds favor both being drafted, but maybe not early enough or with enough certainty to entice them to stay in the draft. But that could change if they are invited to tryouts or whatever.

As for the portal, that's trickier. Even if you haven't been invited to leave by Hubert, if you enter the portal, you may find your position has been filled should you change your mind.

Last year Trimble entered the portal and came back. I assume Hubert was happy to have him back. I think he should enter the portal again. On the theory that he will be more valuable if he can play somewhere good as a PG, at least enough to make it clear whether he has the chops for that. Since we're already going after PGs in the portal, it's pretty clear that he won't get that chance here. Then again, maybe he doesn't want to be a PG. So maybe having the SG starter position as his to lose is what he's been waiting for.

I've said before that Seth seems to improve in the off season, then regress over the course of the season. His trajectory is part of the reason why I think Hubert and his staff are weak on development. Which could, of course, be totally wrong. But if that is correct, I think Seth could benefit from playing for a school that would help him develop more. And I'm sure he'd be eagerly sought by a number of good coaches.

I'm surprised Cade's entry into the portal hasn't already been announced. Is he just taking his time, or is there something else going on?

I don't see any reason for Brown or High to transfer. But I don't see any reason for them to stay, either. They are definitely going to be recruited over. But if they feel they'll get good development here and have a shot to start someday, then, sure, stick around.

Lubin is a tough call. I felt he played well for us most of the year - especially by the end. His starting position may be in jeopardy if our combine succeeds in landing 2 starter-quality big men. But I would still expect him to get plenty of PT. He's one of the few players that I think Hubert figured out how to use well. That said, even though I don't necessarily think Lubin should enter the portal, I do think he should put his name in the draft. For feedback.

Back to Ian and Drake. I have them entering the draft. I think Ian, at least, and maybe Drake should also enter the portal.

We've all heard the story over and over about Ian contacting Hubert every night to ask what he can do better. Great story. Sounds like a very coachable kid. But what good did it do him? He started the season with freshman flutters, then turned the corner, then regressed. To me, Ian is another case that suggests our coaching staff isn't good at development. In fact, Ian's development was so poor, it may have hurt his draft chances this year. If Ian isn't drafted, he needs to look for a better place to develop.

Drake is different. His freshman season got off to a smoother start than Ian's and he did show signs of development. I can't tell if the coaching staff had much to do with that, but he improved. Nevertheless, I can't help wondering if Drake, like Ian, didn't get the development he might have gotten with another team. If Drake thinks he got good coaching, then who am I to argue - and he should stay. If not, he should enter to portal as well as the draft.

Just my opinions.
The tl;dr version

Ian - should enter the draft and the portal.

Drake - should enter the draft and maybe the portal.

Trimble - should consider entering the draft and the portal.

Lubin - should consider entering the draft but maybe not the portal.

Cade - should enter the portal.

Brown - should probably stick around.

High - should probably stick around.
 
Latest mock drafts have Drake late first/early second round. Ian is mid to late second round. Frankly, I don't think either should go because they aren't guaranteed first round selection. They can each make more money playing college ball next year than they would off a G-League contract. But in this brave new world, guys seem to be ok with that. Still think Ingram leaving was a mistake.

But even if they don't go, I think there's a real possibility they transfer. I feel Drake transferring is less likely but if he's any competitor at all, he can't be pleased with this past season nor next year's prospects under Hubert.

I'd put the likelihood as such:

Drake - 50% chance he's back with us next year
Ian - 30% chance he's back with us next year
 
Latest mock drafts have Drake late first/early second round. Ian is mid to late second round. Frankly, I don't think either should go because they aren't guaranteed first round selection. They can each make more money playing college ball next year than they would off a G-League contract. But in this brave new world, guys seem to be ok with that. Still think Ingram leaving was a mistake.

But even if they don't go, I think there's a real possibility they transfer. I feel Drake transferring is less likely but if he's any competitor at all, he can't be pleased with this past season nor next year's prospects under Hubert.

I'd put the likelihood as such:

Drake - 50% chance he's back with us next year
Ian - 30% chance he's back with us next year
While I don't disagree with this take, your sentence about the G-League is not accurate. If they are drafted, either round, and get sent to the G-League, they are making what the contract says, not at all what the G-League pays for guys not drafted. Reed Sheppard was drafted 3rd overall, played in the G-League and still made millions.

Fans need to realize that even getting drafted in the 2nd round, players can still get guaranteed money, and at times millions, on a multi year contract. NIL is a one year thing and players don't always get better simply by playing for the same coach in college the next year.
 
Latest mock drafts have Drake late first/early second round. Ian is mid to late second round. Frankly, I don't think either should go because they aren't guaranteed first round selection. They can each make more money playing college ball next year than they would off a G-League contract. But in this brave new world, guys seem to be ok with that. Still think Ingram leaving was a mistake.

But even if they don't go, I think there's a real possibility they transfer. I feel Drake transferring is less likely but if he's any competitor at all, he can't be pleased with this past season nor next year's prospects under Hubert.

I'd put the likelihood as such:

Drake - 50% chance he's back with us next year
Ian - 30% chance he's back with us next year
Somebody is going to take Money so all of these guys won’t leave cash on the table and guaranteed starting positions

I just think Drake is the more Valuable because his game is not as disconnected from everyone as Ian’s is
 
While I don't disagree with this take, your sentence about the G-League is not accurate. If they are drafted, either round, and get sent to the G-League, they are making what the contract says, not at all what the G-League pays for guys not drafted. Reed Sheppard was drafted 3rd overall, played in the G-League and still made millions.

Fans need to realize that even getting drafted in the 2nd round, players can still get guaranteed money, and at times millions, on a multi year contract. NIL is a one year thing and players don't always get better simply by playing for the same coach in college the next year.
And they get service time toward free agency, I think. They also get to work on the game they will need to play at a permanent role in the Association, not what they can do to max out wins in the feeder league if they have pro aspirations.

NIL has to pay substantially more to offset the loss down the line if you are able to play professionally. Most high 4 or 5 star want to play professionally.
 
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So we got the news about Cadeau and JWashington. Player meetings started last Monday and it is now Thursday. Seems like plenty enough time to get through 12 basketball players.

Should we discern that no one else is entering a transfer portal or just that others are weighing their decisions? Obviously Drake and Ian have NBA decisions to make.

Our current needs stand at at least one quality big, outside shooters/makers, and a point guard. It would be nice to know what else we might need.
I'll respond with what I know/heard so far:
- There's been some reported optimism concerning Seth (long detailed meetings, etc), but still remains to be seen whether his camp's view of his role can comport with that of the staff.
- Zayden has had his meeting and is still likely to return to the program (which could be an unsung big-time win if it happens) but... with the caveat that he is also likely to be watching what happens here (and elsewhere) in the upcoming Portal days.
- On the WIlson front (from a very close local source down here), the EC mess indeed had the negative impact I feared. Good news may be that a mitigating factor is present, i.e., that there has already been some logistical movement in his transitioning to UNC, which would make a decommitment somewhat messy. Also helps that UNC was his family's ideal destination during his recruitment. Bottom line, now that some deep breaths have been taken? If the staff can perform adequate damage-control, and if we bring in the right transfers, source estimates it at about 75-25 that he sticks at this point.

Tried not to be any more cryptic than I had to --- should be easy enough to fill in any blanks --- and please, no douchey responses. If we can get past taking pot-shots at players or other jackassery, I'll pass along more as I get it.
 
I'll respond with what I know/heard so far:
- There's been some reported optimism concerning Seth (long detailed meetings, etc), but still remains to be seen whether his camp's view of his role can comport with that of the staff.
- Zayden has had his meeting and is still likely to return to the program (which could be an unsung big-time win if it happens) but... with the caveat that he is also likely to be watching what happens here (and elsewhere) in the upcoming Portal days.
- On the WIlson front (from a very close local source down here), the EC mess indeed had the negative impact I feared. Good news may be that a mitigating factor is present, i.e., that there has already been some logistical movement in his transitioning to UNC, which would make a decommitment somewhat messy. Also helps that UNC was his family's ideal destination during his recruitment. Bottom line, now that some deep breaths have been taken? If the staff can perform adequate damage-control, and if we bring in the right transfers, source estimates it at about 75-25 that he sticks at this point.

Tried not to be any more cryptic than I had to --- should be easy enough to fill in any blanks --- and please, no douchey responses. If we can get past taking pot-shots at players or other jackassery, I'll pass along more as I get it.
3 "possible good news" beat a for sure bad news every time. The "right transfers" is, and will continue to be, the key on so many levels.

Thanks Gary.
 
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I'll respond with what I know/heard so far:
- There's been some reported optimism concerning Seth (long detailed meetings, etc), but still remains to be seen whether his camp's view of his role can comport with that of the staff.
- Zayden has had his meeting and is still likely to return to the program (which could be an unsung big-time win if it happens) but... with the caveat that he is also likely to be watching what happens here (and elsewhere) in the upcoming Portal days.
- On the WIlson front (from a very close local source down here), the EC mess indeed had the negative impact I feared. Good news may be that a mitigating factor is present, i.e., that there has already been some logistical movement in his transitioning to UNC, which would make a decommitment somewhat messy. Also helps that UNC was his family's ideal destination during his recruitment. Bottom line, now that some deep breaths have been taken? If the staff can perform adequate damage-control, and if we bring in the right transfers, source estimates it at about 75-25 that he sticks at this point.

Tried not to be any more cryptic than I had to --- should be easy enough to fill in any blanks --- and please, no douchey responses. If we can get past taking pot-shots at players or other jackassery, I'll pass along more as I get it.
Thanks Gary. I am surprised about Wilson… if I was his family I’d be looking elsewhere, almost anywhere, elsewhere.
 
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So we got the news about Cadeau and JWashington. Player meetings started last Monday and it is now Thursday. Seems like plenty enough time to get through 12 basketball players.

Should we discern that no one else is entering a transfer portal or just that others are weighing their decisions? Obviously Drake and Ian have NBA decisions to make.

Our current needs stand at at least one quality big, outside shooters/makers, and a point guard. It would be nice to know what else we might need.
There will be more than one additional UNC player entering the portal. I'd be very surprised if we don't end up with 4+ transfers.
 
It would be great if the NCAA could ever get a single thing right. Portal should not be open yet - the season is still going on! Portal should open one week after the title game. This is not a terribly difficult concept. In pro sports, Free Agency does not start in the middle of the playoffs.
 
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There will be more than one additional UNC player entering the portal. I'd be very surprised if we don't end up with 4+ transfers.
As would I.
It would be great if the NCAA could ever get a single thing right. Portal should not be open yet - the season is still going on! Portal should open one week after the title game. This is not a terribly difficult concept. In pro sports, Free Agency does not start in the middle of the playoffs.
They’ve never gotten anything right. They instated NIL with no parameters and that train predictably ran right off the tracks. Then they had the brilliant idea to allow free agency every year by allowing unlimited transfers.

National
Committee for
Asinine
Arbitration
 
If we were to sign a guy like that, and keep Wilson. Maybe even add that guy from Nevada. The 6'10 shooter as a three-man rotation with the four and five and we are cooking. Heck, I could see Elliot wanting to come back to throw lobs to that group!!!
 
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For a guy that averaged 5 and 5?

Be for real. Is that for real?
It’s pro sports.

Paying top dollar for everyone is part of being committed to winning.

It’s actually pro sports but more harsh. You’re not going to be gifted the top incoming freshman recruit just because you had a bad year.

If you want to win, a big part of the equation is paying.
 
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As would I.

They’ve never gotten anything right. They instated NIL with no parameters and that train predictably ran right off the tracks. Then they had the brilliant idea to allow free agency every year by allowing unlimited transfers.

National
Committee for
Asinine
Arbitration
More accurately, they let NIL get out in front of them. Emmert was a friggin disaster.
 
For a guy that averaged 5 and 5?

Be for real. Is that for real?
He has crazy upside. Long, athletic, still only 4 or 5 years into the game. Game growing rapidly. He is going to garner large offers to leave or to remain.

I know he was very close to going to dook last year, and the big rim protecting, lob catching spot will be open there. I think they are in the lead.
 
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Meanwhile, Indiana does not have a single player on it's roster at this point. Not a one, zero. All portal or grads from last year's roster. Sheesh !
 
Meanwhile, Indiana does not have a single player on it's roster at this point. Not a one, zero. All portal or grads from last year's roster. Sheesh !
That’s where you want to be now fill it up with 23 year olds and a 15 -20 million budget and rinse and repeat next year
 
Meanwhile, Indiana does not have a single player on it's roster at this point. Not a one, zero. All portal or grads from last year's roster. Sheesh !

They landed a transder from west virginia a few days ago, Tucker DeVries
 
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