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You have lost your damn mind coming over here thinking you can talk like that!!
Bam
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Why do you bash kids that go elsewhere? Just asking.
I understand if you're not worried about a kid going elsewhere if he doesn't want to play for UNC. I feel the same way about players going somewhere else than UK. I don't want a kid at UK that doesn't want to be there.
But I wish every kid the best of luck wherever they decide. I just don't get the name calling or belittling of a kid because he goes elsewhere.
Either way, good luck this year. UNC has a great team.
I'm with JC on this one. Bashing kids no matter where they go is just plain wrong. It sucks when we lose instate kids to UK, Duke etc but I'm confident things will get a lot better once the NCAA makes their ruling.
^^^^ it will stay that way till the NCAA adopts a rule like baseball. Let them go pro right out of high school or they stay in college 3 years. Not sure why it's hard for them to understand that?
Sacha will find out just like Marcus Lee. Lee didn't hardly break a sweat in his jersey the first 2 years at UK. I'll always watch the Carolina games until I die but until something is changed the recruiting aspect has become dirty and a complete joke.
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I pointed out this model back with John Wall. WWW handled all the shoe munney negotiations, Wall goes to KY and a year later Clifton is listed as agent for shoe munney contract. Dirty to the core. NCAA cares nothing about true corruption.
Couldn't pass the IQ test to post here...
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^^^^ Before you get banned... Care to tell us which program is RANKED # 1 ???? I'll wait for your answer
I have throught about aboutmy comments about Bam.I truly apologize for my harsh comment.It is just can't figure how in the world Cal Shaddy comes in our back yard and gets a local guy.But that being said it will be interesting to read the woffies comments, when they just knew he was going to play with Smith
There may be some players a team (UNC) is better without .. all things considered.
Couple months back Bam said he wanted to go to a place to compete for a title and be a high draft pic. It would be a business decision for him.
Where do you think he's going to go??? He made a good decision. Reminds me of Shawn Kemp when he was young with the way he plays.
Where do you think he's going to go??? He made a good decision. Reminds me of Shawn Kemp when he was young with the way he plays.
I would probably feel animosity if he ripped out anyone's heart besides state's, or even more enjoyable dook's. The fact that we have not been in the race for so long makes me not really care about his pick. Going on national tv on mike & mike leads me to think that locker room is gonna have issues
Agree with all that AND Roy did not offer. Pure and simple. He's not an idiot.This was the same with Wall and even Tyreke Evans (heck, Evans BEGGED for a scholly. I still have his first interview saved).
True. Backed off once it became apparent there were "strings" attached.
If the NCAA can crack the shoe deal connections there will be some major schools getting some negative publicity, but no schools will get in trouble because the deals are not finalized until the players leave for the NBA and there are no paper trails. Once Roy knows that WWW is involved I think he backs off. WWW feeds certain schools and it is better for him and the players he helps stock the teams that are going to compete for a national title most years. The players get more exposure, thus better shoe deals. WWW is Kentucky's best friend.
What strings???
Not being rude, but why is there always strings attached when a player goes elsewhere?
What did UK or Cal give Bam? Besides a "Opportunity" for a degree and a chance to play for a elite team?
I really don't understand the negativity of some when it comes to a players decession.
I know y'all had a thread hoping Bam would end up at UNC. And to be fair, a lot of people here said he was NC state bound. But most here said they wish he would be a Heel.
I just don't get it. Why one minute a kid is good and you want him and the next minute he's damaged goods?
I just don't see UK or Coach Cal taken a player that has a asking price. Do you believe that? And if you do believe that, why?
I sure haven't seen UK having a problem recruiting, let alone having to break NCAA rules to land a kid.
I always scratch my head when I see people post things about a kid they were after.
Steat
You know I love you buddy. But how many kids that come to UK has any affiliation to WWW? I'm serious. I don't know. I would like to know though.
I also know there was a thread started here where Roy and WWW were in a picture and both had their arms around a player that Roy was recruiting.
Most here was ecstatic that Roy was making a bond with WWW. And you know that's true.
So, is it fair to say that some here would want WWW to help bring players to UNC? And if WWW did, would that mean UNC was doing something wrong?
I'm not being smart at all Steat. I hope you know me better than that.
But I would like to see what players involved with WWW has been recruited by both UNC and UK.
If you can help me it would be appreciated.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...2012/04/worldwide_wes_was_behind_the_k_1.html
JC here's a older article about WWW & UK.
I would love to see that pic of Roy & WWW you're talking about. First I've heard about it
JC here's a older article about WWW & UK.
I would love to see that pic of Roy & WWW you're talking about. First I've heard about it
I don't normally post on this stuff and I fully expect to get slammed but its worth proceeding
but I do have two questions - if you're UNC and you're saying "follow the $$$" because you don't understand why Cal is landing these kids.
1. Do you really want a kid that takes money on your UNC team? Are we to believe that a kid on the take was a choir boy until the corruption of Cal convinced him to set aside his ethics and come play for UK? I'm not sure what to think about fans of a program who are questioning the integrity of a program landing a kid, but still would take the kid who obviously has questionable character. This seems to be a rinse, lather and repeat line of thinking for every kid (and not just from UNC) that signs with UK. I mean we're all guilty of questioning why a kid chose another school over ours - but we all seem to forget that if the kid is on the take and we ourselves are putting our school on the moral high ground, then there is a real conflict of interest in wanting this kid in the first place. If in fact the kid is on the take and Cal is doling out the money, you as a fan should be happy that you aren't saddled with the high risk proposition of a kid like this eventually putting your program in a compromised position. With a kid like that , if he doesn't end up at UK(given this scenario), its going to be a program like SMU, right?
2. And assuming that UK/UNC is in the running with a kid who has his hand out, if UNC were to land this kid, what does that say about your program? I know the assumption is that of course UNC would not offer a payment to a kid to come play - so we are to believe that every kid that UNC loses to UK is of questionable and corrupt character while UNC only lands the kids that are above board because they refuse to pay? Every kid?
it seems like a stretch.
Coming from a time in UK's history when we couldn't beat UNC for a recruit (Tubby/Gillispie...even Pitino to some extent) I know all too well what its like to see the other programs land kids and you ask what are they doing that we aren't. The reality was that many kids didn't want to play for Tubby, and UNC was still leveraging the era of Michael Jordan and the national appeal of UNC as a brand. UNC didn't have to cheat to get these kids because the bottom line was at the time UK wasn't selling a brand, style or coach that could compete with UNC. UK fans knew it and its why we had such a problem with Jordan interacting with the recruits. Once they heard about him wearing Carolina shorts under his Bulls uniform, the family atmosphere, etc, who is going to go to Kentucky to play ball line defense for Tubby Smith and his son Saul as starting PG?
In defense of Cal, at least its easy to sell a kid on 1 year and then go pro to make millions. And now we see that Coach K is jumping on that bandwagon approach as well.
The question is - has UNC adapted to this strategy or are they still in the mode of "what will you do for our program" instead of "what can our program do for you"?
Being an obviously biased UK fan, I tend to see the current issues with UNC recruiting if indeed there are any as you are ranked #1 as more of the former as opposed to the latter.
Its an adaption issue - one that has killed Indiana for more than a decade.
but I do have two questions - if you're UNC and you're saying "follow the $$$" because you don't understand why Cal is landing these kids.
1. Do you really want a kid that takes money on your UNC team? Are we to believe that a kid on the take was a choir boy until the corruption of Cal convinced him to set aside his ethics and come play for UK? I'm not sure what to think about fans of a program who are questioning the integrity of a program landing a kid, but still would take the kid who obviously has questionable character. This seems to be a rinse, lather and repeat line of thinking for every kid (and not just from UNC) that signs with UK. I mean we're all guilty of questioning why a kid chose another school over ours - but we all seem to forget that if the kid is on the take and we ourselves are putting our school on the moral high ground, then there is a real conflict of interest in wanting this kid in the first place. If in fact the kid is on the take and Cal is doling out the money, you as a fan should be happy that you aren't saddled with the high risk proposition of a kid like this eventually putting your program in a compromised position. With a kid like that , if he doesn't end up at UK(given this scenario), its going to be a program like SMU, right?
2. And assuming that UK/UNC is in the running with a kid who has his hand out, if UNC were to land this kid, what does that say about your program? I know the assumption is that of course UNC would not offer a payment to a kid to come play - so we are to believe that every kid that UNC loses to UK is of questionable and corrupt character while UNC only lands the kids that are above board because they refuse to pay? Every kid?
it seems like a stretch.
Coming from a time in UK's history when we couldn't beat UNC for a recruit (Tubby/Gillispie...even Pitino to some extent) I know all too well what its like to see the other programs land kids and you ask what are they doing that we aren't. The reality was that many kids didn't want to play for Tubby, and UNC was still leveraging the era of Michael Jordan and the national appeal of UNC as a brand. UNC didn't have to cheat to get these kids because the bottom line was at the time UK wasn't selling a brand, style or coach that could compete with UNC. UK fans knew it and its why we had such a problem with Jordan interacting with the recruits. Once they heard about him wearing Carolina shorts under his Bulls uniform, the family atmosphere, etc, who is going to go to Kentucky to play ball line defense for Tubby Smith and his son Saul as starting PG?
In defense of Cal, at least its easy to sell a kid on 1 year and then go pro to make millions. And now we see that Coach K is jumping on that bandwagon approach as well.
The question is - has UNC adapted to this strategy or are they still in the mode of "what will you do for our program" instead of "what can our program do for you"?
Being an obviously biased UK fan, I tend to see the current issues with UNC recruiting if indeed there are any as you are ranked #1 as more of the former as opposed to the latter.
Its an adaption issue - one that has killed Indiana for more than a decade.
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Times have changed from the kids going to UNC because of Jordan era. Then kids could go to the NBA out of high school.
Nobody is saying UK is giving kids money. Kids agree to shoe deals while playing AAU ball. Nike, adidas Under Armor don't give a rats ass where these kids play college ball.... It's all about how fast can they get to the NBA to sign these shoe deals.... And you can be damn sure the handlers for these kids are talking to people like WWW to make sure this happens.
Congrats on getting Monk today.... Enjoy his one year at UK
Nobody is saying UK is giving kids money. Kids agree to shoe deals while playing AAU ball. Nike, adidas Under Armor don't give a rats ass where these kids play college ball.... It's all about how fast can they get to the NBA to sign these shoe deals.... And you can be damn sure the handlers for these kids are talking to people like WWW to make sure this happens.
Congrats on getting Monk today.... Enjoy his one year at UK
It wasn't WWW, it was Clifton at WOG I believe he is referring to. I have never seen a pic of Roy and WWW hugging the same player.
JC does SEEM to be a reasonable poster and I only occasionally see his blue glasses come out, but Im sure he is not suggesting Cal would never do anything shady AND I'm sure he is not saying that UK would never break NCAA rules. In the interest of fairness, I can't say my beloved U is pristine either! I would bet the farm that Roy is though!
BUT, I agree that it is way past sour grapes to bash a kid just because he didn't choose UNC. I understand the implication that money might be involved, and some of you MIGHT have inside info making this case, but calling the kid names and making decisions about his character should be beneath us! BTW: It takes real courage to admit when you are wrong and I respect the apology!
Many of our posters are a little overzealous in their criticism of UNC and many claim more knowledge than they actually possess, but The Family will not stand for your backhanded attacks and pukies have been using that "woe is me they attack me when I'm trying to be ssoooo nice" ploy for 20 years!
JC does SEEM to be a reasonable poster and I only occasionally see his blue glasses come out, but Im sure he is not suggesting Cal would never do anything shady AND I'm sure he is not saying that UK would never break NCAA rules. In the interest of fairness, I can't say my beloved U is pristine either! I would bet the farm that Roy is though!
BUT, I agree that it is way past sour grapes to bash a kid just because he didn't choose UNC. I understand the implication that money might be involved, and some of you MIGHT have inside info making this case, but calling the kid names and making decisions about his character should be beneath us! BTW: It takes real courage to admit when you are wrong and I respect the apology!
Many of our posters are a little overzealous in their criticism of UNC and many claim more knowledge than they actually possess, but The Family will not stand for your backhanded attacks and pukies have been using that "woe is me they attack me when I'm trying to be ssoooo nice" ploy for 20 years!
From a talent stand point bam is deserving of at least equal hype as Giles and IMO even more so. Of course I would love to have his talent commit to us. But the hype on this kid and the association now of his "advisor" Peetree, is a mix that has un-reasonable expectations set and the kid fully believes the expectations. It is like what has occurred with INgram, you saw INgram last night, tell me the expectations are not way over the top for him, yet he fully believes he is one and done caliber. They start reading their own press clippings and it goes to some of their heads. I especially do not like it when "advisors" outside of mom & dad get involved because you have to ask whose future are they more concerned with, the kid's or their own. I and I don't think the majority of our fans begrudge a kid for realizing his NBA dreams but I think many of us think more in terms of a kid being able to stay in the NBA more so than just getting there. I do see the one & done process as being much more about a kid getting drafted than being as prepared as he can be to have the longest career in the NBA his talent may allow for.
"I just don't get it. Why one minute a kid is good and you want him and the next minute he's damaged goods?"
Well things change over time, some kids for example link themselves with all grades of street agents that they didn't have at first look. Demands get made that were not there before, things happen that change the view point JC.
JC, you don't really want to go back down that rabbit hole, just google the article on WWW from last year, it pretty well explains what is going on. And JC, you know that stuff as well as any of us do, defending your guy I get but expecting us to buy it here, you already know how that will be received. Pretty much the same way Ky fans received those taking up for Kalipari when he was at memphis, yall hated him, yall talked about what lengths he goes to, your Ky fans hated WWW,before he took the job to coach at Ky. Just the same way your Ky fans used to worship Pitino but now you accuse him if child rape...
Are you on crack?? I mean, seriously, bud.... it does cause constant itching, y'know.
You "just don't get it" because you don't want to get it. And yes, Cal (and UK before Cal) has a history of cheating.
Wow. Just wow.
Bam's "strings" that he accumulated after his recruiting blew up became well known in the AAU community.
We would have loved to have him --- as a player, just like Roy would have loved to have had John Wall --- as a player. However, when we find out a kid is coming with handlers and strings ---- especially when those handlers have their hands out --- we look elsewhere. With UK?... that's just the price of doing business.
GMAFB with that garbage.
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