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Boeheim no like G'boro......

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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...nt-acc-tournament-games-moved-back-greensboro

Not surprising. I recall an article a few years back detailing a conversation between he and Petino regarding Greensboro stating how they would miss a particular restaurant they loved to frequent in NYC during the Big East tourney and how they had to settle for the Waffle House in Greensboro. I don't mind seeing the tourney rotate a little (here in Atlanta would be awesome for me) but it's wrong to bash Greensboro.
 
ACokeForRoy said:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...nt-acc-tournament-games-moved-back-greensboro

Not surprising. I recall an article a few years back detailing a conversation between he and Petino regarding Greensboro stating how they would miss a particular restaurant they loved to frequent in NYC during the Big East tourney and how they had to settle for the Waffle House in Greensboro. I don't mind seeing the tourney rotate a little (here in Atlanta would be awesome for me) but it's wrong to bash Greensboro.
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I don't like either one of those guys as far as I can throw them, but I can't help but agree here. Greensboro is a dated venue and while I like the area, until they build a newer up to date coliseum I don't think a tournament of this magnitude should be held there. I'd much prefer it be in Charlotte, at Time Warner (or Spectrum as it were), in DC, in Atlanta...but I think those should be the only places we hold tournaments for now. Brooklyn, Orlando, etc. just don't make a lot of sense.
 
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ACokeForRoy said:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...nt-acc-tournament-games-moved-back-greensboro

Not surprising. I recall an article a few years back detailing a conversation between he and Petino regarding Greensboro stating how they would miss a particular restaurant they loved to frequent in NYC during the Big East tourney and how they had to settle for the Waffle House in Greensboro. I don't mind seeing the tourney rotate a little (here in Atlanta would be awesome for me) but it's wrong to bash Greensboro.
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Yeah, if those yankee nimrods had a lick o' sense they'd head to Stamey's BBQ.
 
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I get it, it's obvious that Cuse are going to win a ton of games now that it's in NYC....oh wait.
 
IDK what this "restaurant" in NYC is like, but there are plenty of great places to frequent in G'boro besides Waffle house.

I would love to see a rotation between G'boro, NYC, and Atlanta tri-annually. Geographically, it gives a North-Central-South middle ground to all schoools. Assuming the state can get their HB-2 shit together. Having it in NC so often isn't necessarily fair to newer additions.
 
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"We jumped ship to the ACC while our conference died, why aren't we the center of the universe anymore?!"
 
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Wonder how the Syracuse fans liked their nearby ACC Tourney experience today?

Boeheim as he stated ain't going to be around much longer, so what he says in regards to where the ACC should play it's tournament is irrelevant!
 
Serious question, what is the benefit to the conference of having the tourney in NYC? Clearly it's financial, but I don't see how. Greensboro Coliseum is bigger, and it doesn't change the TV rights at all I believe (unless somehow they can show it on all local NYC TV's and they couldn't otherwise?).

The other two benefits I can think of are that they can sell more tickets or that the tickets are more expensive given the higher cost of living in NYC. There are obviously a lot more people in the NY metro area than in Greensboro, but given its so much farther from the schools I'm not sure if more people would go? And I just checked and there are $49 tickets for the championship game on Stubhub; I can't imagine it was much less than that in Greensboro. So what am I missing?
 
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The coliseum isn't dated. It went through a major renovation a few years ago
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Exactly! The GBC is the bomb. Small enough for crazy noise but big enough to accommodate the tourney. Location is central to the entire league. I dont get why it cant just be there every single year (the HB2 crap notwithstanding). No matter where it's held, UNC and/or dook will always be involved in the semi's and/or final.
 
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gauchoheel said:
Serious question, what is the benefit to the conference of having the tourney in NYC? Clearly it's financial, but I don't see how. Greensboro Coliseum is bigger, and it doesn't change the TV rights at all I believe (unless somehow they can show it on all local NYC TV's and they couldn't otherwise?).

The other two benefits I can think of are that they can sell more tickets or that the tickets are more expensive given the higher cost of living in NYC. There are obviously a lot more people in the NY metro area than in Greensboro, but given its so much farther from the schools I'm not sure if more people would go? And I just checked and there are $49 tickets for the championship game on Stubhub; I can't imagine it was much less than that in Greensboro. So what am I missing?
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The main problem is that the schools with the most loyal and largest basketball fan bases (UNC, dook, ND, UVA) are not going to travel (in large numbers) all the way to NYC in early March. It's similar to when they took it down to Tampa .. god awful ticket sales the entire weekend (I actually went down there that year due to having family in St Pete ... and UNC won the title, which was nice).
 
bleeduncblue said:
The main problem is that the schools with the most loyal and largest basketball fan bases (UNC, dook, ND, UVA) are not going to travel (in large numbers) all the way to NYC in early March. It's similar to when they took it down to Tampa .. god awful ticket sales the entire weekend (I actually went down there that year due to having family in St Pete ... and UNC won the title, which was nice).
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So then why are they doing it?
 
Maybe I missed it in this thread, but one obvious benefit is the increased conference exposure up in that area. UNC used to have a nice NYC recruiting connection under Coach Smith which gave us Kenny Smith, Ed Cota, and Charlie Scott. I kind of like having the ACCT in different venues and I can understand what Boeheim is thinking, but he probably shouldn't have said it.
 
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gauchoheel said:
Serious question, what is the benefit to the conference of having the tourney in NYC? Clearly it's financial, but I don't see how. Greensboro Coliseum is bigger, and it doesn't change the TV rights at all I believe (unless somehow they can show it on all local NYC TV's and they couldn't otherwise?).

The other two benefits I can think of are that they can sell more tickets or that the tickets are more expensive given the higher cost of living in NYC. There are obviously a lot more people in the NY metro area than in Greensboro, but given its so much farther from the schools I'm not sure if more people would go? And I just checked and there are $49 tickets for the championship game on Stubhub; I can't imagine it was much less than that in Greensboro. So what am I missing?
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Don't judge on the title game, those are always cheaper than the Thurs/Fri actions because you only get one game.

Saturday's tickets are through the roof, can't get downstairs for under $200.
 
dadika13 said:
Don't judge on the title game, those are always cheaper than the Thurs/Fri actions because you only get one game.

Saturday's tickets are through the roof, can't get downstairs for under $200.
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Is that any cheaper than what it would be anywhere else though? I'd be willing to bet that you could sell them for the same price in Greensboro. College basketball is one the biggest, if not the biggest, sport in NC. Selling tickets wouldn't be a problem.
 
There is absolutely zero financial gain from NYC, but there is a perception that it gives the league more cachet. There might be a recruiting impact, but the ACC doesn't seem to be suffering in recruiting. I think a regular rotation to include Raleigh, G'boro, Charlotte, NY, DC, and ATL (don't really like this one) would make sense.
 
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tarheel0910 said:
Is that any cheaper than what it would be anywhere else though? I'd be willing to bet that you could sell them for the same price in Greensboro. College basketball is one the biggest, if not the biggest, sport in NC. Selling tickets wouldn't be a problem.
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I'm sure they have historical price data somewhere. My assumption is that tickets in the Barclays center in NYC would be able to go for more than tickets in the Greensboro Coliseum, but that's just a hunch so could be wrong. A more likely reason than the disparity in ticket prices is just that they want the tournament to be more accessible to the masses, and to try to occasionally make it closer to some of the non-NC schools in the conference.

Getting to NYC and finding stuff to do there other than the games is a lot easier for a good portion of the conference than traveling to Middle-O-Nowhere, NC.
 
Finding stuff to do is much easier in NYC, but being able to afford that same stuff is a different story! In a conference with fan bases from all walks of life, everyone will get what they want periodically as the Tourney rotates through their region or a region that fits their socio-economic demographic!
 
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Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
I'm sure they have historical price data somewhere. My assumption is that tickets in the Barclays center in NYC would be able to go for more than tickets in the Greensboro Coliseum, but that's just a hunch so could be wrong.
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Going to have to disagree on this part. It's all about demand. College basketball is huge in the state of NC. NY doesn't care as much about college athletics. It's a professional sports city. I guess we will find out sooner rather than later, because I can almost guarantee that the price of a ticket won't go down once they leave NY.
 
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There is absolutely zero financial gain from NYC, but there is a perception that it gives the league more cachet. There might be a recruiting impact, but the ACC doesn't seem to be suffering in recruiting. I think a regular rotation to include Raleigh, G'boro, Charlotte, NY, DC, and ATL (don't really like this one) would make sense.
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The funniest part was hearing a halll of fame coach say "theres no recruits down there"
This past class had 3 nc players in the top ten in the nation. He also I guess doesnt realize how much local talent UNC and the other schools have gotten over the years. Maybe if he paid more attention his team could crack the top 6 in the conference occasionally.
 
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Heeelz46 said:
The funniest part was hearing a halll of fame coach say "theres no recruits down there"
This past class had 3 nc players in the top ten in the nation. He also I guess doesnt realize how much local talent UNC and the other schools have gotten over the years. Maybe if he paid more attention his team could crack the top 6 in the conference occasionally.
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there aren't any that want to attend syracuse.
 
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Finding stuff to do is much easier in NYC, but being able to afford that same stuff is a different story! In a conference with fan bases from all walks of life, everyone will get what they want periodically as the Tourney rotates through their region or a region that fits their socio-economic demographic!
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Going to have to disagree. As a former resident I'd have to say NYC has more fun, free activities than anywhere else in the country. Just walking the city on its own is an adventure. There's also a huge working class population there.
 
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As a traveler who visits regularly, I have to disagree with you. While there are plenty of free activities, travel, lodging, food, and travel within the city are much more expensive and harder to manage than G'boro! Even if I drive to NYC, where do I park safely; how much will it cost; when do I move it to the opposite side; how much will parking add to those free venues; how much is gas; how do I even drive safely in NYC streets?

The tourney should rotate and be experienced by the fans in their own environment. The teams should not always have to travel so far. Local economies should get an equal chance to benefit from it. I have yet to hear a single valid downside to rotation!
 
The only benefit is the exposure. Financially it cost the conference more money to have the tourney there. And the venue seats less than Greensboro. I'm a fan of the rotating schedule but to eliminate Greensboro all together is a joke.

Boeheim is just salty as hell.
 
A sportswriter (can't remember who) once said "if a hemorrhoid could talk it would sound like Jim Boeheim"
Was accurate when I read it years ago and still holds true today.
Greensboro is a great place for the ACC Tournament.
 
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GoNtheDistance said:
The only benefit is the exposure. Financially it cost the conference more money to have the tourney there. And the venue seats less than Greensboro. I'm a fan of the rotating schedule but to eliminate Greensboro all together is a joke.

Boeheim is just salty as hell.
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The exposure doesn't increase by playing there now that the games are on national television. It might have helped in 1950, but not today.
 
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