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Boom!! Brooks is a Tar Heel

Yep, and the scholly is only used up for one season.
Yep. If Berry returns I think we can be very good next year, but we need at least capable minutes at Center. It's risky relying on freshman, and we can't add a fourth freshman big to the same class. Add a solid grad transfer for one year (if Tony leaves) and then hopefully add one big to the 2018 class to go with Black and White.
 
Yep. If Berry returns I think we can be very good next year, but we need at least capable minutes at Center. It's risky relying on freshman, and we can't add a fourth freshman big to the same class. Add a solid grad transfer for one year (if Tony leaves) and then hopefully add one big to the 2018 class to go with Black and White.
Well, there's your key. No matter what else shakes out, if JB is back we're gonna be pretty dadgummed good. If not, then that will be a much more difficult task.
 
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You mean the sky is NOT FALLING....Yea of little faith in Coach Williams and the his staff who put in so many hours off the court need to chill out and look at the glass half full instead of always completely empty. Welcome aboard Mr Brooks and I for one hope you enjoy your college experience while at the hill...
 
I can't imagine Tony not going through the evaluation at this point.

How important is the Florida connection between Berry and Knox? One would think JB would've been a legend to a 12-15 year old player in that state with big dreams of their own.
 
Whitman from William & Mary. Traditional Big with a ton of "old-man" game. I remember him giving dook fits last season.
Thanks. I just looked him up on Pomeroy and like what I see:

6'9, 235.
Decent ORtg at 116.2. That would be 3rd among our returning players.
66% from 2pt range. Doesn't shoot treys.
Decent rebounder. Comparable to Luke, who wasn't bad.
Very good shot blocker. Better than Kennedy, our team leader.
Commits too many fouls, but gets to the foul line even more (but not too good from there).

Obviously that needs to be tempered with recognition that he didn't earn those numbers against the best competition. But he still sounds like a guy who could contribute well for us. If Tony leaves, he could get a ton of PT. Even if Tony returns, he could see the court a lot. But maybe not enough to meet his own needs, since I assume he hopes to showcase his abilities.
 
I can remember back when a few of us were really hoping to land Brooks, but a bunch here were saying they didn't want him.

Nice to see that we are all on the same page now.
 
Thanks. I just looked him up on Pomeroy and like what I see:

6'9, 235.
Decent ORtg at 116.2. That would be 3rd among our returning players.
66% from 2pt range. Doesn't shoot treys.
Decent rebounder. Comparable to Luke, who wasn't bad.
Very good shot blocker. Better than Kennedy, our team leader.
Commits too many fouls, but gets to the foul line even more (but not too good from there).

Obviously that needs to be tempered with recognition that he didn't earn those numbers against the best competition. But he still sounds like a guy who could contribute well for us. If Tony leaves, he could get a ton of PT. Even if Tony returns, he could see the court a lot. But maybe not enough to meet his own needs, since I assume he hopes to showcase his abilities.
Pomeroy? Not where I'd go to check out a player, but ok.

I remember being impressed with him vs dook and a few other random games w/ W&M. Only statistical concern is he's not a good FT shooter at all which is a big sore point for me. I love his career FG pct but jeez, the FTs.

Overall my eye test shows a decently athletic, very savvy old-school post guy with a ton of moves. Not gonna dominate the boards and I doubt he's ever taken a 3 in a game. Could be a useful addition depending on Tony's decision.
 
How much of a boost does he give this years class rating? And where will we be if Knox signs?
 
How much of a boost does he give this years class rating? And where will we be if Knox signs?
It bumped us to #5 in the ACC on 247 (from #6), ahead of FSU, behind Va Tech. IIRC, if we add Knox, that moves us to #3 (behind Duke and Louisville).

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That's interesting. It now looks like adding Knox will boost us to #1 in the ACC. I see some players have moved around on the 247 list so maybe that accounts for it.
 
#14 (57.27) 5 players 2 4*'s and 3 3*'s. Highest rated .989 and next is .9229

for perspective #1 UK 5 5*'s and 2 4*'s 5 at .99 or better = 70.33
#5 dook 2 5*'s and 1 4* and 2 at .99 or higher = 64.53.

based on composite.
 
#14 (57.27) 5 players 2 4*'s and 3 3*'s. Highest rated .989 and next is .9229

for perspective #1 UK 5 5*'s and 2 4*'s 5 at .99 or better = 70.33
#5 dook 2 5*'s and 1 4* and 2 at .99 or higher = 64.53.

based on composite.
And we'll get more mileage out of our class than either of those teams will out of their class. UK will have 4 more OAD's and dook a couple. And no ring to show for it.
 
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And we'll get more mileage out of our class than either of those teams will out of their class. UK will have 4 more OAD's and dook a couple. And no ring to show for it.
I'm not making any such proclamation and performance trumps mileage every time. I'm just going to wait and see how it plays out. I am much more excited overall about the 2018 class.
 
I'm not making any such proclamation and performance trumps mileage every time. I'm just going to wait and see how it plays out. I am much more excited overall about the 2018 class.

Agreed. First class in a long time where we really "needed"(the championship makes this less important obviously) a huge recruiting haul. Had we not won the title and we had the class we have coming in, there would be a lot more hand wringing and disappointment. Needless to say this class is a first of its kind under Roy at unc.
 
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Well, I'm excited about the '17 class.

And that's fine everyone has their opinion. But I guess I really question why exactly? 4 120-200th ranked guys,and jalek. I'd like to know what there is to be overly enthusiastic about? Even roys "foundation" classes(Brice,Marcus, Joel James) featured all guys pretty well entrenched in the top 70 nationally.

Like I said, the national title certainly makes things much rosier, but taken on its own merit this class is likely the worst Roy has ever brought in.
 
And that's fine everyone has their opinion. But I guess I really question why exactly? 4 120-200th ranked guys,and jalek. I'd like to know what there is to be overly enthusiastic about? Even roys "foundation" classes(Brice,Marcus, Joel James) featured all guys pretty well entrenched in the top 70 nationally.

Like I said, the national title certainly makes things much rosier, but taken on its own merit this class is likely the worst Roy has ever brought in.
Continue to wring your hands then. I choose not to.
 
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Continue to wring your hands then. I choose not to.

You're projecting that I'm actually "wringing my hands", I'm not. I'm stating facts about where the players are ranked. The fact we won the title makes it easy to accept. But like I said if we are being totally honest-taken on its own merits-it's not a great class by roys standards.
 
And that's fine everyone has their opinion. But I guess I really question why exactly?
You're right, this is unlike any Roy class previously. I reckon guys like me & Arch are excited/intrigued/fascinated about what this class will bring because Of the unknowns and 'possibilities with those lower ranked guys which (for the mild optimists amongst us) make this a very interesting class to see come in.

Fact is, these are the guys who've committed (hopefully one more to come) and no amount of hand wringing willl change that - Roy has recruited the best players who wanted to come to UNC in the face of continual questions about the future of the program and alleged negative recruiting.

And you're right too, with a championship banner ready to be hung, this is the perfect time to see what Roy can do with a lower ranked group.... like playing with a boat load of house money after an all night winning streak!
 
Ditto..... getting cautiously excited about the 17-18 team too.
As am I, my friend. If Tony and Joel return, I honestly think we can win the ACC, regardless of what Knox does. And my gut says they return. If not, we'll take a significant step backwards but will still be competitive. Winning another title was worth that, should it come to fruition. I'm very content right now.

And TBH, I think back to back title games will help our recruiting going forward. My gut says Hamilton will announce for us in a couple of months.

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You're projecting that I'm actually "wringing my hands", I'm not. I'm stating facts about where the players are ranked. The fact we won the title makes it easy to accept. But like I said if we are being totally honest-taken on its own merits-it's not a great class by roys standards.
Granted, it's not. But if Tony and Joel stay, it will in effect be like adding them to this class. Perhaps Knox will sign with us, perhaps not.

Bottom line is, we've got what we've got when practice starts in the fall. Either be excited about the potential of next year's team or continue to worry about it. I choose the former.

You're right, this is unlike any Roy class previously. I reckon guys like me & Arch are excited/intrigued/fascinated about what this class will bring because Of the unknowns and 'possibilities with those lower ranked guys which (for the mild optimists amongst us) make this a very interesting class to see come in.

Fact is, these are the guys who've committed (hopefully one more to come) and no amount of hand wringing willl change that - Roy has recruited the best players who wanted to come to UNC in the face of continual questions about the future of the program and alleged negative recruiting.

And you're right too, with a championship banner ready to be hung, this is the perfect time to see what Roy can do with a lower ranked group.... like playing with a boat load of house money after an all night winning streak!
Spot on ,Oz! That's exactly how I feel.
 
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Who would be happy with Garrison Brook's career if he ends up 7.2 pts. per game , 6.3 rebounds per game and 62% on FG's? I think this would be dependent on really good Jr. and Sr. seasons because I don't anticipate a lot in his first 2 years. By the way this is Amile Jefferson's stats.
 
Who would be happy with Garrison Brook's career if he ends up 7.2 pts. per game , 6.3 rebounds per game and 62% on FG's? I think this would be dependent on really good Jr. and Sr. seasons because I don't anticipate a lot in his first 2 years. By the way this is Amile Jefferson's stats.
All in context.... if Brooks' addition provides more frontline depth, enough to allow Jalek, 7th, KW, Theo, Brob, and (hopefully) Berry to thrive on the wings then his numbers are less important.
Straight stats don't tell the whole story... remember, as much as we can malign Jefferson, he has a ring.
 
I bet they had to sedate you when UNC got Montross-Phelps-Reese-Rozier-Sullivan and then the year of Wallace-Stackhouse-McInnis
I was much more into recruiting back then, but I've always tried to keep sports in perspective. Yet I'm still excited every year to see what our new class can achieve. If you think this is a mediocre class, fine. Everyone has an opinion.

Who would be happy with Garrison Brook's career if he ends up 7.2 pts. per game , 6.3 rebounds per game and 62% on FG's? I think this would be dependent on really good Jr. and Sr. seasons because I don't anticipate a lot in his first 2 years. By the way this is Amile Jefferson's stats.
There's certainly nothing wrong with Jefferson's career. He actually could have put up better numbers if the LOM had used him properly. And despite your post on OOTB, I haven't seen a single poster say Brroks could even carry Lew Alcindor's jock strap, let alone intimate he was the second coming. Hyperbole much?

I swear, some of you guys come over here just to start shit. If we feel enthusiastic about Brooks, that's our prerogative. If you don't, that's yours. Good grief.
 
And despite your post on OOTB, I haven't seen a single poster say Brroks could even carry Lew Alcindor's jock strap, let alone intimate he was the second coming. Hyperbole much?

YES Much , Much Hyperbole. It seems you recognized it , but also didn't.
 
Who would be happy with Garrison Brook's career if he ends up 7.2 pts. per game , 6.3 rebounds per game and 62% on FG's? I think this would be dependent on really good Jr. and Sr. seasons because I don't anticipate a lot in his first 2 years. By the way this is Amile Jefferson's stats.
Well, when you consider that Brice averaged only 11.8 PPG and 7.1 RPG on 57.7% shooting over his UNC career, I'd say Jefferson's numbers weren't bad. And Brice averaged a mere 5.4 PPG and 3.2 RPG as a freshman. His career stats were greatly enhanced by his junior, and especially his senior, season. So even Brice took a while to adjust to the college game. So it's only logical that it should take our freshmen bigs a while to acclimate themselves to the college game. And with Manley's two serious leg injuries, only natural that he will take even longer.

But I think it very probable that Brooks or possibly Huffman could duplicate Brice's freshman averages coming off the bench. And if one of them were to start out of necessity due to Tony's departure, I could see them doubling that.
 
Well, when you consider that Brice averaged only 11.8 PPG and 7.1 RPG on 57.7% shooting over his UNC career, I'd say Jefferson's numbers weren't bad. And Brice averaged a mere 5.4 PPG and 3.2 RPG as a freshman. His career stats were greatly enhanced by his junior, and especially his senior, season. So even Brice took a while to adjust to the college game. So it's only logical that it should take our freshmen bigs a while to acclimate themselves to the college game. And with Manley's two serious leg injuries, only natural that he will take even longer.

But I think it very probable that Brooks or possibly Huffman could duplicate Brice's freshman averages coming off the bench. And if one of them were to start out of necessity due to Tony's departure, I could see them doubling that.
I agree that Jefferson had a nice career and that was my point , but if you think Brooks or Huffman either one has a chance to average 10 points a game then you are setting your expectations way too high. I would be shocked if either scores in 2x figures in a single game next year. I would expect averages of 3-4 a game.
 
I said I wouldn't be surprised if one of them matched Brice's freshman numbers, 5/3, in a backup role. But if Tony leaves and one of them starts and plays major minutes, as they would have to, 10 PPG isn't an unreasonable number. Luke certainly isn't going to man the middle for any length of time. Of course, if we land the Whitman kid from W&M, he might get most of the minutes there.

Let's hope Tony and Joel return. Obviously, I have greater expectations for this class than you do. Time will tell who was right.
 
HeelFan58 said:

"I would be shocked if either scores in 2x figures in a single game next year. I would expect averages of 3-4 a game."

We could make a week long avatar wager on this if you like.
 
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HeelFan58 said:

"I would be shocked if either scores in 2x figures in a single game next year. I would expect averages of 3-4 a game."

We could make a week long avatar wager on this if you like.
Nice try. I'm not betting against UNC players and I also don't bother with silly avatar bets , hell I didn't even have an avatar until a few months ago.
 
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