Why not right? Hope all come back!
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Bradley, Berry II, and Pinson all declare w/o agents
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Makes total sense. And I expect all 3 to come back, as I've been saying.
They should test the waters. I'm sure Theo will be back, but hopefully he will work to improve his perimeter shooting this offseason.
No doubt this is the best move for all three. Why not take the opportunity to "interview" or be evaluated for your professional career? I do hope all three come back, however I support each player as they do what is best for them. Go Heels.
...guys. The only unknown was whether TB would hire an agent.
(JJ aside) It's 2008 all over again. Our top underclassmen declare and get evaluated. We can only hope for the same result.
Now we wait... again...
(JJ aside) It's 2008 all over again. Our top underclassmen declare and get evaluated. We can only hope for the same result.
Now we wait... again...
All 3 SHOULD be back, but I'm afraid we have seen the last of Tony.
Theo with a good outside shot could make a roster. Hope that is his goal after he comes back.
Berry can put in the work and raise his 3pt % and make a roster too.
Very much afraid Tony is listening to the wrong folk and will not return.
Thank you and best of luck to all 3.
Theo with a good outside shot could make a roster. Hope that is his goal after he comes back.
Berry can put in the work and raise his 3pt % and make a roster too.
Very much afraid Tony is listening to the wrong folk and will not return.
Thank you and best of luck to all 3.
No way Theo or JB get first round grades in my mind. This gives them more information and makes sense. I hope they're back but will always love this class regardless.
I have said all along that it would make sense for Theo and Joel to test the waters. They need to assess their stock and, especially, get feedback on what they need to prove next year.
I put the odds of Joel returning at 75%; and for Theo, 95%.
There's a reasonable chance each would be drafted, but probably late in the 2nd round. So not a lot of incentive to stay in the draft.
Berry is pretty much a known quantity to the scouts by now. With better shooting and better ball handling, I think several teams would be happy to have him as a backup PG. Which is to say if they are confident they can develop those qualities, they might draft him. Since he has shown both of those qualities for stretches, my guess is that someone will take him late. But most will want him to work on those improvements on UNC's dime, not their dime.
Theo is not so much a known quantity because of injuries. So some team might just take a flyer on Theo thinking he has a good bit of upside. But I suspect they'd rather see him have a year without injuries. Plus better shooting, of course. But if he can stay healthy, he obviously has the size and athleticism for the next level. So my guess is that they tell him to show them a healthy year and improved scoring.
I put the odds of Joel returning at 75%; and for Theo, 95%.
There's a reasonable chance each would be drafted, but probably late in the 2nd round. So not a lot of incentive to stay in the draft.
Berry is pretty much a known quantity to the scouts by now. With better shooting and better ball handling, I think several teams would be happy to have him as a backup PG. Which is to say if they are confident they can develop those qualities, they might draft him. Since he has shown both of those qualities for stretches, my guess is that someone will take him late. But most will want him to work on those improvements on UNC's dime, not their dime.
Theo is not so much a known quantity because of injuries. So some team might just take a flyer on Theo thinking he has a good bit of upside. But I suspect they'd rather see him have a year without injuries. Plus better shooting, of course. But if he can stay healthy, he obviously has the size and athleticism for the next level. So my guess is that they tell him to show them a healthy year and improved scoring.
The combine has an "unofficial limit" that they invite. They invited 70 last year. See link and list below. Meeks was not invited last year, but look for Meeks and Hicks to get invited this year. Pinson may not get invited....Look for the list to be issued around May 5.
Roy is looking at the Whitman kid for William & Mary (graduate transfer). He would be a good replacement for Bradley at the 5 for one year.
http://www.nba.com/2016/news/05/06/more-than-70-players-invited-to-2016-nba-draft-combine/
More than 70 players have been invited to the 2016 NBA Draft Combine, an event that begins May 11 and runs through May 15 in Chicago.
A new rule that applies to this year's Draft allows players to go through the predraft process all the way through the combine. Players who haven't signed with agents have 10 days (May 25) after the combine to withdraw from the Draft.
Player, College/Club
Ron Baker, Wichita State
Wade Baldwin, Vanderbilt
Cat Barber, North Carolina State
Malik Beasley, Florida State
DeAndre Bembry, St. Joseph's
Ben Bentil, Providence
Jaron Blossomgame, Clemson
Joel Bolomboy, Weber State
Malcolm Brogdon, Virginia
Jaylen Brown, California
Robert Carter, Maryland
Marquese Chriss, Washington
Elgin Cook, Oregon
Isaiah Cousins, Oklahoma
Deyonta Davis, Michigan State
Cheick Diallo, Kansas
Kris Dunn, Providence
Henry Ellenson, Marquette
Perry Ellis, Kansas
AJ English, Iona
Kay Felder, Oakland
Dorian Finney-Smith, Florida
Michael Gbinije, Syracuse
Daniel Hamilton, Connecticut
AJ Hammons, Purdue
Josh Hart, Villanova
Nigel Hayes, Wisconsin
Buddy Hield, Oklahoma
Brandon Ingram, Duke
Demetrius Jackson, Notre Dame
Justin Jackson, North Carolina
Brice Johnson, North Carolina
Damian Jones, Vanderbilt
Skal Labissiere, Kentucky
Dedric Lawson, Memphis
Jake Layman, Maryland
Marcus Lee, Kentucky
Caris LeVert, Michigan
Thon Maker, Orangeville Prep/Athlete Institute
Patrick McCaw, UNLV
Isaiah Miles, St. Joseph's
Jamal Murray, Kentucky
Malik Newman, Mississippi State
Georges Niang, Iowa State
Chinanu Onuaku, Louisville
Marcus Paige, North Carolina
Gary Payton II, Oregon State
Jakob Poeltl, Utah
Taurean Prince, Baylor
Zhou Qi Xinjiang, (China)
Malachi Richardson, Syracuse
Wayne Selden, Kansas
Pascal Siakam, New Mexico State
Diamond Stone, Maryland
Caleb Swanigan, Purdue
Melo Trimble, Maryland
Tyler Ulis, Kentucky
Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa
Denzel Valentine, Michigan State
Isaiah Whitehead, Seton Hall
Troy Williams, Indiana
Kyle Wiltjer, Gonzaga
Stephen Zimmerman, UNLV
Roy is looking at the Whitman kid for William & Mary (graduate transfer). He would be a good replacement for Bradley at the 5 for one year.
http://www.nba.com/2016/news/05/06/more-than-70-players-invited-to-2016-nba-draft-combine/
More than 70 players have been invited to the 2016 NBA Draft Combine, an event that begins May 11 and runs through May 15 in Chicago.
A new rule that applies to this year's Draft allows players to go through the predraft process all the way through the combine. Players who haven't signed with agents have 10 days (May 25) after the combine to withdraw from the Draft.
Player, College/Club
Ron Baker, Wichita State
Wade Baldwin, Vanderbilt
Cat Barber, North Carolina State
Malik Beasley, Florida State
DeAndre Bembry, St. Joseph's
Ben Bentil, Providence
Jaron Blossomgame, Clemson
Joel Bolomboy, Weber State
Malcolm Brogdon, Virginia
Jaylen Brown, California
Robert Carter, Maryland
Marquese Chriss, Washington
Elgin Cook, Oregon
Isaiah Cousins, Oklahoma
Deyonta Davis, Michigan State
Cheick Diallo, Kansas
Kris Dunn, Providence
Henry Ellenson, Marquette
Perry Ellis, Kansas
AJ English, Iona
Kay Felder, Oakland
Dorian Finney-Smith, Florida
Michael Gbinije, Syracuse
Daniel Hamilton, Connecticut
AJ Hammons, Purdue
Josh Hart, Villanova
Nigel Hayes, Wisconsin
Buddy Hield, Oklahoma
Brandon Ingram, Duke
Demetrius Jackson, Notre Dame
Justin Jackson, North Carolina
Brice Johnson, North Carolina
Damian Jones, Vanderbilt
Skal Labissiere, Kentucky
Dedric Lawson, Memphis
Jake Layman, Maryland
Marcus Lee, Kentucky
Caris LeVert, Michigan
Thon Maker, Orangeville Prep/Athlete Institute
Patrick McCaw, UNLV
Isaiah Miles, St. Joseph's
Jamal Murray, Kentucky
Malik Newman, Mississippi State
Georges Niang, Iowa State
Chinanu Onuaku, Louisville
Marcus Paige, North Carolina
Gary Payton II, Oregon State
Jakob Poeltl, Utah
Taurean Prince, Baylor
Zhou Qi Xinjiang, (China)
Malachi Richardson, Syracuse
Wayne Selden, Kansas
Pascal Siakam, New Mexico State
Diamond Stone, Maryland
Caleb Swanigan, Purdue
Melo Trimble, Maryland
Tyler Ulis, Kentucky
Jarrod Uthoff, Iowa
Denzel Valentine, Michigan State
Isaiah Whitehead, Seton Hall
Troy Williams, Indiana
Kyle Wiltjer, Gonzaga
Stephen Zimmerman, UNLV
Sounds like Bradley and family would be happy to just be in the first round regardless of what position. If that's the case he's gone barring a bad showing at the combine. UNLESS he is willing to come back and work to become a lottery pick next year.
So if Bradley leaves, do you think he will be more Marvin Williams, Ed Davis, or Brendan Wright as far as NBA career goes?
Nothing and I mean NOTHING was like 2008 (although this one is close). Ty Lawson ends up getting pulled over and the rest is history. The 2008/2009 Tarheels win every game in the tournament by double digits and completely dominate.
Everybody coming back and a Knox signing would be pretty doggone, daggum, fricken exciting.
The question that Team Bradley needs to ask themselves is do you want to simply get into the league or do you want longevity. It could benefit Bradley to come back for his second year and continue to develop some of those skills that could keep him in the league for a long time. IMO he's no Marvin Williams or Wright at this same stage. Close but...
Yeah, Mikey. The only good news is that Tony didn't make the rash choice and hire an agent (like some in FL were urging them to do... smh). From what I understand, Roy had a big late hand in throwing some needed ice-water on that really bad idea. That being said --- and you and I have talked about this off-grid --- those "wrong folk" have still had an impact, to the point where a disappointing (reality-check) report from the combine/scouts is probably our only hope now of Tony doing the wise thing and returning.
As for Theo, with the numbers of declarations being as they are, he may not get invited to the combine. He should still at least get some good feedback on what to work on when he returns.
JB, well we all know his situation. It's just a bad draft for him. That being said, JB is way better than even many on here realize, he's thoroughly capable of playing and playing well in the NBA, and he believes in himself. He could go to the combine and show people what's up and then take his chances --- couldn't blame him if he did. However, I still think (correction: I'm sure) he could benefit his draft position by returning. As for his decision? That I'm not sure of. We shall see. Like I said in the OP, now we wait...
I think Tony is gone. I think Berry could go either way. I don't think NBA guys are going to prefer him this year over next year so I think he will be looked at the same in terms of their evaluation either way. Just depends on which draft class he wants to go in.
Reading Dad's interview looks line Tony is gone unless he tanks in the combine. Not that they care, or should, but if Tony leaves after one season I will barely remember him. When I think of 2009 I almost never think of Ed Davis, and same with Marvin from 2005.
He won a championship. Why is it that you won't remember him? Without him we probably don't win it.
Good question. Ed Davis did real well as a freshman. Especially when Zeller got injured. Ed Davis could've been OAD and been the highest draft pick out of that team.
You mean the guy with the game winning basket vs Dook. Or the guy who save our asses with the go ahead game winning tip in the championship. Don't remember this Marvin guy either.
I agree Bradley was a necessary cog in this last team. It is no disrespect on Tony. It's just how my mind works. I will think first of Meeks, Berry, Jackson, Theo, Luke, Nate and others who have been here longer. I can't even remember the name of the other tall skinny dude who was 1 and done (or was it 2 and done?) at UNC. Was it Brandon something or other?
Don't take it so personal. My mind goes to the guys who stuck around longer first. If Marvin is your key focus/memory from 2005, or Davis from 2009, so be it and good on ya.
If Tony is looking at the long view he will come back. If he improves in the areas suggested by the NBA combine he very well may improve his position and thereby all future contracts by working into the lottery or top 10 next year.
Kinda what JJ did.
Kinda what JJ did.
It just boggles my mind that these kids go to school with a plan and then everything changes when some random idiot with an agenda gets in their ear.
Me too. When I think Carolina Basketball, Stilman and his 6 years and Ginyard with his 5 are forefront in my mind. Eventually down the list after hitting the 4 year guys like Desmond Hubert, I get to the 3 year guys like Jamison, Carter, and Jordan. And I'm certainly lucky if I even remember to list the 2 year guys like Barnes, Wallace, and Stackhouse.
Many seem to forget about the injury factor.
Roy told the Bradleys that based on his research Tony is likely a first round pick. The family met with Roy last Thursday. Now, Tony can go to the combine and see if his stock improves are stays the same. Roy has done his job and it's completely in the hands of Tony's performance at the NBA combine and the Bradleys. If he has a decent combine, IMO he should declare because I think a team like Cleveland or Golden State would select him and not expect immediate production.
Again, there is no quaranteed that Tony would be injury free next season at UNC. We all know the history of injuries for big men in the NBA and the history of injuries of players at UNC. If he is guaranteed to be picked in the first round, I recommend he leave. This will also give the program a OAD player that no one expected and continues the narrative that Roy can develop big men. If Tony comes back and blows out a knee, we all will be feeling sorry for him.
If he is guaranteed the first round, he must go IMO. If I was I his camp, I tell Bradley to go and don't take the risk and coming back and risking an injury.
The Heels won the title folks. If Tony leaves, hopefully Roy can sign Whitman to replace Bradley at the 5. Whitman can't replace Bradley performance wise, but we can have a decent team with him starting at the 5.
I wish Tony the best regardless of his decision.
Roy told the Bradleys that based on his research Tony is likely a first round pick. The family met with Roy last Thursday. Now, Tony can go to the combine and see if his stock improves are stays the same. Roy has done his job and it's completely in the hands of Tony's performance at the NBA combine and the Bradleys. If he has a decent combine, IMO he should declare because I think a team like Cleveland or Golden State would select him and not expect immediate production.
Again, there is no quaranteed that Tony would be injury free next season at UNC. We all know the history of injuries for big men in the NBA and the history of injuries of players at UNC. If he is guaranteed to be picked in the first round, I recommend he leave. This will also give the program a OAD player that no one expected and continues the narrative that Roy can develop big men. If Tony comes back and blows out a knee, we all will be feeling sorry for him.
If he is guaranteed the first round, he must go IMO. If I was I his camp, I tell Bradley to go and don't take the risk and coming back and risking an injury.
The Heels won the title folks. If Tony leaves, hopefully Roy can sign Whitman to replace Bradley at the 5. Whitman can't replace Bradley performance wise, but we can have a decent team with him starting at the 5.
I wish Tony the best regardless of his decision.
Y'all may end up being correct but that's still not what i'm hearing, DIRECTLY from team personnel.
Its ironic, few of us said before the season that Tony could be OAD. A lot of posters disagree, or said they wouldn't care what he did if UNC win the title. The irony.
Yeah, Mikey. The only good news is that Tony didn't make the rash choice and hire an agent (like some in FL were urging them to do... smh). From what I understand, Roy had a big late hand in throwing some needed ice-water on that really bad idea. That being said --- and you and I have talked about this off-grid --- those "wrong folk" have still had an impact, to the point where a disappointing (reality-check) report from the combine/scouts is probably our only hope now of Tony doing the wise thing and returning.
As for Theo, with the numbers of declarations being as they are, he may not get invited to the combine. He should still at least get some good feedback on what to work on when he returns.
JB, well we all know his situation. It's just a bad draft for him. That being said, JB is way better than even many on here realize, he's thoroughly capable of playing and playing well in the NBA, and he believes in himself. He could go to the combine and show people what's up and then take his chances --- couldn't blame him if he did. However, I still think (correction: I'm sure) he could benefit his draft position by returning. As for his decision? That I'm not sure of. We shall see. Like I said in the OP, now we wait...
His February slump hurted him some. NBA scouts knows he a NBA player. Also if you look at this tape, he perform as well or better then any NBA prospect guard he has faced this season.
Can't think of a Carolina player who was injured and because of that injury never made it to the NBA
Can't think of any other players outside of UNC either, but I'm sure there have been some.
With all that being said, if I was a guaranteed 1st round pick....SEE YA!
Simply can't take the risk.
Can't think of any other players outside of UNC either, but I'm sure there have been some.
With all that being said, if I was a guaranteed 1st round pick....SEE YA!
Simply can't take the risk.
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