Caleb Wilson to announce Thursday, January 23rd
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Im miserable because out of all the top programs in the country we have by far the worse coach, and he just bought himself another year where he is going to be just good enough to squeeze himself another year after that and we will be back to here the following year.
Roy had a 4 year plain win the Natty every 4 years, Hubert has the every other year plain be just good enough every other year to keep my job.
Where is your proof that these boosters are holding money back because they didn't like the Hubert hire? You keep riding that horse, lets see it. Show proof or shut up up about it. I see you pitching about sub patters and coach shit in game threads and then you come here and other threads and defend Hubert like he's your family.
What is it, can he coach or not?
Hey man, not trying get in your business but after giving this dude many opportunities to have honest dialogue about the relentless NIL claims, he has yet to provide sources or data that support his argument. What's worse, when you provide sources contradicting his NIL claims, he goes silent which in turn makes it obvious he is just trolling. Take advice from Archer2, ignore him or give his replies zero thought at least until he is able to discuss reasonably and in good faith...
Everyone ignore @DaveChapelle the 🤡 maybe when he realizes it, he will go away!
Someone (I honestly forget who at this point) had the opportunity to bet that moron (chappel) that if we landed a five-star this year he would go away forever. I told that poster at the time I was mad he didn't take the bet. Now I'm furious! 😆😁
Life on this board is much better with out his daily dose of douchery.
Go Heels!
Life on this board is much better with out his daily dose of douchery.
Go Heels!
Unfortunately that may not be a bad idea. I prefer he reply honestly and in good faith like most of the users here.
Big d, I had the exact same experience with him. Tried respectful dialogue, he'd go silent, only to start his same old song-dance with some other poster. Not worth the time to engage him.
NorC, I don't get it, many have the same result here. Why does he bother if people think he is a joke? I was hoping to have dialogue in good faith even though I recognized his pattern of behavior on this board.
I actually left this site for a while because of him. Ignore was a much better option
What do you want to know? What have I not answered?
On October 26th, InsideCarolina admitted NIL was in bad shape for UNC basketball.
A few day ago Theo Pinson said NIL is the reason we have such a poor collection of big man talent.
Hubert Davis has been busting his butt to find donors to support NIL. That put us in a position to land Caleb Wilson, who has long loved UNC and Hubert Davis.
TrillyDonovan reported our NIL offer was still less than Kentucky's. Which shows we still aren't at the point where we can outbid others for a crucial recruit.
The irony of you calling someone else miserable is not lost on everyone here. You are the most miserable person poasting here.
You're so unlikable, you make me want to root for duke.
I’m on ignore, somebody please let Chapelle know he’s FOS. Word on the street is Caleb Wilson signed with us in December so any upping of the NIL by Hubert begging donor's in the last 2 weeks is just false.
He doesn’t have any proof…UNC has had NIL money all along…Both UNC sites have said that…
I just put Dave c on ignore.....I feel better already!
Donovan was just trying to cover his ass for being late to the game
@DSouthr and I been trying to tell y'all (without jinxing) this thiing was done.
Geez, that was hard to stay quiet about, I had to drop the Mr Ed clue! LOL
UNC did 2 very smart things that allowed this to happen, yes we stepped up the $$$, that was key. But on a day that there is so much anger toward Hubert, I have to call the balls and strikes as I see them, Hubert fought and clawed for this kid and he was smart about it, he stayed in direct contact with the kid and his family where the competition was talking to middle men more than the family. You had to know, with the kid aligned with Klutch, the agency was not going to be pumping UNC up much, they were pumping Ky. Hubert worked directly with Caleb's dad and it was dad in control of things, not the agency. This was a very smart move by Hubert, get the NIL up to where we are at least competitive and then sell the branding aspect, as opposed to selling the branding but being to far out on the NIL.
So what about all those folks screaming UNC didn't have the NIL and that is why we whiffed on several badly needed recruits in both the 25 class of recruits and the last portal? It is very important to understand, this stuff is fluid, what may be true today may not be true tomorrow. It was clear that football was badly under funded by NIL, I think that is well known and has been for a long time. When the football and basketball collectives were combined, basketball money took a hit. There were a number of big time boosters that were not on board with Hubert being hired, those purse strings simply were not opened as wide as the may have been.
Did UNC have $$$ for players, yes they did but as AJ shares, a lot of what they had was spent on returning players, I like having the continuity of bringing back players that help you win games, all UNC fans should realize the value in that. I think it is very clear, we spent far to much money on Tyson, I believe we spent to much to bring RJ back. We had $$$ but what we had left over to pay some of the more big time talents that could have filled our area of need was not going to allow us to out bid some of the other programs that were willing to way over spend. Son, I realize that we are $1 millons less than the other school but at UNC you will have far more branding, you will make more in the long run with us, hard sell if the up front cash is not close, get the up front close and that branding sell sings louder. That is why we got Wilson and why we didn't get Dybansa.
Guys, telling you, the Belichick hire in addition to sending shock waves thru all of sports, drove a major re-alignment and commitment to UNC sports. It drove home the point that you get what you pay for, boosters that have been shy to spend all the sudden are looking at things a bit different. There is a group of former Tar Heel basketball players that have assembled to help the $$$ to flow, indications are that that has started and is expected to grow and rev share is working on with this. Means we can now be closer in up front NIL money and in time be able to flat out bid when needed. Point being the $$$ picture looks much better today than it did over the summer, did we have the money is a very different from do we have the money.
You're one of those huh?? Ok I'll bite... Check Carolina vs Wake Forest game thread on: Tuesday 21 January 2025; #264, #268; Check Caleb Wilson to announce Thursday, January 23rd; #87. You ignored a great opportunity to show that you are actually legit AND possibly redeem yourself with other members who have experienced your unreasonable behavior. Look man, I'm not your enemy and come in peace, just interested in hearing any good content or sourcing to support your ongoing NIL claims. To date, you have not provided anything of substance and everyone here knows it. Bruh, I'm pulling for you...
So do we know how much NLI $$ Wilson is to be paid? What about our other recruits? Seems to me that that info along with every other deal in college sports should be public knowledge and mandatory to report. And at the same time a salary cap instituted as well.
He is not Hubert Davis, in fact he was a vocal critic the last few years until this year.
He has claimed to have a friend on the staff, and I think I pinpointed that " friend" out to be Sean May.
DC made comments about Hubert many times before this season and was sharing information that if it came from his " friend" was pretty traitorous.
He is in fact the biggest tool on this forum
I never doubted you. But I still don't understand why CW chose us.Donovan was just trying to cover his ass for being late to the game
@DSouthr and I been trying to tell y'all (without jinxing) this thiing was done.
It sounds like we managed to be competitive on $$. And, yeah, we're North Carolina. But UK is UK and OSU is OSU. And UK has a proven coach. And UK has a better record this year.
Caleb joining us raised our class rank from 34 to 7. But joining UK would have bumped them from 6 to 2.
As I've said before, in Caleb's shoes I would lean toward postponing until I knew who's returning to UNC. Including whether Hubert is returning. Why rush it?
All that said, it's done. And I'm glad we got him.
As you know, I have had a pretty close read on this --- geograpahically and otherwise --- and if this had been a pre-NIL recruitment, we were in the driver's seat in that the Wilsons always preferred UNC from an organic perspective. Honestly, I only got worried a tad when everything went "quiet" down here this summer (plus he switched AAU teams to play with the dookies), but as you said, Hubert jumped back in with both feet and cultivated the family relationship and yeah, this was (pretty much) done for a while.
He also hopes to play with EC (I mean, who wouldn't?). I reported on here two summers ago about Caleb being on the other end of Eliot putting on an absolute spectacle at EYBL Atlanta in front like 30+ D1 HCs. I told my buddy, "See that tall skinny kid on the GA Stars?... damn good chance UNC snags him down the road", as the local scuttlebutt was already in our favor.
Glad that was prescient
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Dude. Pope is nice guy and all --- one of my buddies knows him pretty well from his days at UGA --- but what exactly has he proven? And who TF cares where it would "bump" some silly recruiting ranking? It's about an excellent prospect wanting to come play at a legendary program.
There are privacy issues involved when you talk about disclosure of income from private citizens. I has the potential of using what a player is paid as a public hammer on a kid that does not live up to expectations. Lot of kids would prefer that not happen any more than most here would not like their own personal income numbers to be released publicly. It opens wide the discussion of what a kid is worth as opposed to what the kid is looking for, we all, myself absolutely included need to temper this notion of what a kid is worth. The truth is what a kid is worth when he is being recruited is set by the market, a kid is worth what some one is willing to pay for his services, a house is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, same with a car, same with anything. Don't confuse worth with value, don't confuse either of those with expectations of play exceeding value or meeting need. I am for sure guilty of this.
Tyson for example, his worth we set when we agreed to pay him X amount, clearly we (UNC) felt his play would exceed his worth that we paid. Me, if we paid over $2.00 and a pack of nabs for him we paid to much. The kid's value is and was can he fill our need, that is where talent evaluation becomes critical, that is where we in my opinion dropped the ball on Tyson, we over estimated his ability to fill our need.
Worth = how much some program is willing to pay for a kid
Value = How much the program feels a kid will fill our needs
Bust or not, right or wrong decision = does the kid's play meet or over/under actually fill our need
We UNC fans, myself totally included have to get over this look at the number freak out. Dybansa number so many freaked out over was said to be around $4mil, no way he is worth that, how many of you said that very thing, I know I did many times. But bottom line is he was worth exactly what BYU paid him, BYU felt the value for their program was that. Yet to be seen if they made a good decision or not, we are going to have to see how he plays for BYU and what his presence allows that team to achieve.. We don't have to like this, we do have to accept it.
Bill Belichick taught UNC this in what we saw as a football lesson, yet it has become inclusive of basketball as well and we need look no further than Caleb Wilson last night for proof of just this. $$$ boosters are now listening to what BB brought and it does not look like UNC basketball will be left behind but UNC basketball (hubert and his staff) simply has to do a better job in evaluation of fit to need and how to play a kid once they have him in fold.
Happy to get this commitment.
On a lighter note, what will Hubert's comments about Caleb Wilson be post commitment?
"He's the best athlete I've ever seen at his size. He's an elite ball handler, shooter, rebounder, defensive player, and teammate. He truly has 0 weaknesses. I'm so excited he's part of the UNC family."
On a lighter note, what will Hubert's comments about Caleb Wilson be post commitment?
"He's the best athlete I've ever seen at his size. He's an elite ball handler, shooter, rebounder, defensive player, and teammate. He truly has 0 weaknesses. I'm so excited he's part of the UNC family."
big deez, have really enjoyed your participation and look forward to that continuing for the long term! If I may, would like to offer a piece of advice... Ya know how to kill a fire every time, take away it's oxygen because it is the oxygen it feeds on. The one thing that keeps a poster like chappell going is others reply to him, in effect supplying the oxygen he needs to survive on. But take away that oxygen, he withers on the vine, he leaves. I put him on ignore and refuse to exchange with him any longer, now I don't have to deal with his BS, I lost it with him when he tried to claim he was a close friend of Sean Maye and yet hammered this coaching staff? So I took my own oxygen that I was giving him by responding to his nonsense, I took that away from him so he no longer effects me. Who would hammer this coaching staff if they actually were close with a member of that coaching staff, if you did that your friend would not be your friend for long.
It will not take you long to figure out who is here to honestly discuss and who is here just to try to make themselves feel important by acting like they are something they are not. I have learned to give a suspected poster some rope, give them enough and they hang themselves, chappel has already hung himself, those willing to exchange with him dwindles daily,, in time everyone will ignore him and he will go away.
You will as well come to see that at times posters that do a good job at sharing information may not always share that information in a way that comes off as respectful and at times folks can't find a way to admit that they may have been wrong about something. A lot of that stuff is best to just let roll off and not jump heavy in to it, I have had a particular problem with that and it has caused me some embarrassment.
I am not looking to tell you what or who to believe, not trying to tell you how to post, just offering from well over 20yrs of posting things that I have had to learn the hard way so you don't have to deal with some of the nonsense I have had to.
DS, I'm still scratching my head on the Tyson get. On paper and % wise, he was a very attractive target. However is it possible the team already had capable, potential shooters and top heavy at that spot? I see why HD could have been lured into the potential to have another Manek moment(I thought so). Is it possible he could become a reliable part of this team this year? I feel he should get some PT to get his stoke/confidence going but when he is out there, man he struggles.
And then he plays him 7 minutes per game and he transfers after the season.
I don't believe a coach can comment on a kid until he has signed with that program? I mean, I guess he could if he is directly asked about a player's ability but most would not do that. If Hubert has publicly commented on Wilson I assume Wilson has already signed with us.
I probably use the ignore function way more than most! It definitely increases the joy of discussing the Tar Heels and lessens the misery of subhuman trash we commonly call trolls! I can't understand the desire to deliberately steal joy from others or to ruin something others love, but I guess I was raised by good parents!
Peeps will quickly self-identify because they are the ones who can't find something good to say on a momentous day like today when we just got a game changing recruit! I pity them since it is clear that life holds nothing but misery for them!
C Wilson is a great addition and proves our coaches can identify and work their arses off to acquire talent!
GDTBATH!
Peeps will quickly self-identify because they are the ones who can't find something good to say on a momentous day like today when we just got a game changing recruit! I pity them since it is clear that life holds nothing but misery for them!
C Wilson is a great addition and proves our coaches can identify and work their arses off to acquire talent!
GDTBATH!
Deez, I wasn't on the Tyson train from the jump, specifically because I felt, still feel his best position is as a wing (3 spot) and we already had Jack, Seth, and Drake to handle our small forward position. I didn't and don't see the point in bringing in a kid and paying him top NIL dollars for his ranking to a area that is not of need for my team? I have yet to see him play at UNC any position other than at the 4 and the kid just is not a 4 Drake is not a 4 either.
I'll answer that (without the default perspective): It's misuse --- or more accuratey, lack thereof.
Players cannot be expected to get a random 3 minutes and show out.
Tyson can play, but now fans are wallowing in confirmantion bias.
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And TP, what have I always told you my friend, that I will always call the balls and strikes like I see them AND that I will always admit when I am wrong. I try very hard to do that, not just on these boards but in real life.
On Caleb Wilson, I FULLY believed he was committing to Ky up till some time this past Tuesday morning, about a half hour before I posted my MR Ed reference, I thought it was a cute clue, LOL. I was WRONG in what I believed before Tues morning, I thought we had pissed off the Wilson family by publicly going as hard for Dybansa as we did but no matter, I was wrong and I freely admit it. BTW, I knew we had the money for Wilson because we offered Dybansa well over $3mil and he didn't take it, that money din't just disappear.
I have had some hard words concerning Hubert and this staff, I have called the balls and strikes like I see them. But I am just as willing and actually prefer to share kudos when Hubert and this staff do the things I agree with, if I am going to share the bad then I damn well better be wiling to share the good just as strongly! Other wise I am nothing more than a hypocrite with an agenda and that simply is not me.
From what I understand, Hubert has been a pit bull on this Wilson recruitment, like a dog with a bone, he was not going to stop showing that kid and his family just how much UNC wanted him, Hubert earned that kid and his family's trust. In doing so HUBERT and his staff have earned MAJOR kudos from me, this was a major score for UNC, great fit for our power forward absolute area of need, Caleb Wilson is dynamic and Hubert sure helped his case by securing this kid.
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