Can I ask you guys a question RE: Basketball Program?

[SpringMillVol]

Lifelong Vol fan here but was raised in WNC. Being from UNC you have to choose a side in Tobacco Road hoops and I have always taken the Heels. Love the Heel/Duke game. I am curious about what is the current status of the academic scandal/investigation is and what are your thoughts on the outcome. I know UT currently has the NCAA black cloud over the new Bball coach and recruiting is next to impossible. Is the same thing happening in Chapel Hill? Is UNC officially under investigation? Has there been a letter of accusations or anything? Or, has the NCAA even gotten involved? Outside of the Tarheel nation, you hear all kinds of teeth gnashing alot of it I'm sure driven by jealousy. I do know this, Carolina has a very good team, but jsut doesn't seem to have the horses or special players it takes to compete with the very top teams right now.

Thanks

 

[gary-7]

Right now it is purely a matter of negative recruiting which will no longer be effective once this garbage is done with.
Nothing will happen to the program from the NCAA unless they invent a new rule (not that I would put that past them),nor should it.

 

[SpringMillVol]

Originally posted by gary-7:
Right now it is purely a matter of negative recruiting which will no longer be effective once this garbage is done with.
Nothing will happen to the program from the NCAA unless they invent a new rule (not that I would put that past them),nor should it.

Thanks Gary. Is there a current investigation that needs to be finalized for it to be done? Sometimes it seems the NCAA's strategy is to delay. It certainly can have a negative effect.

 

[NENCHeel]

The last investigation followed the release of the Wainstein Report....the eighth we've gone thru. Nothing new was uncovered except the depth of the academic scandal which the NCAA has already said in other cases is none of their business. There are no current investigations as indicated by no NCAA investigators on campus for several months. Just dragging their feet from what we can tell.

My guess is they will wait until Bama buys another half dozen players and then announce Bama is cleared after 17 hours of exhaustive investigation and clear us 3 weeks later

 

[BillyL]

I think we are likely to receive a NOA letter sometime in the timeframe of July-August, what it may or may not contain is likely just a guess . . and from everything I've heard, we aren't going to take anything lightly from the NCAA. Courtroom battles may be in our future . .

 

[SpringMillVol]

Originally posted by BillyL:
I think we are likely to receive a NOA letter sometime in the timeframe of July-August, what it may or may not contain is likely just a guess . . and from everything I've heard, we aren't going to take anything lightly from the NCAA. Courtroom battles may be in our future . .

Good luck. Vols have been holding a vigil waiting on a NOA for Tydall's time at So Miss for month's. The waiting just kneecaps recruiting efforts. I wish someone would take the NCAA to the mat. They are an infuriating bunch. Some high profile cases take weeks (Newton, Manziel) and others take many months. the inconsistency is maddening.

 

[mahncpa1]

I thought the Wainstein report actually praised Roy Williams for steering kids
away from the AFAM program. Age is robbing my memory every day, but
what did Roy do that everyone thinks is punishable?? Did he give benefits
to players? What was it?? I put this to a dook fan who was foaming at
the mouth after hearing about Syracuse. He said that Roy will have to
forfeit all of the wins since he has been at UNC, both NC since he has been
at UNC. But, he could not name anything that Roy had done. He said the
whole PJ Hairston deal was enough. Didn't PJ sit out half a season and then
was dismissed from the team?? I told you my memory is getting bad.

 

[coolwaterunc]

There will definitely be civil discussion in this thread....

 

[TarHeelMark]

Originally posted by coolwaterunc:
There will definitely be civil discussion in this thread....

There could be... until the in-breeds come over here running their mouths.

 

[gary-7]

Originally posted by SpringMillVol:

Originally posted by gary-7:
Right now it is purely a matter of negative recruiting which will no longer be effective once this garbage is done with.
Nothing will happen to the program from the NCAA unless they invent a new rule (not that I would put that past them),nor should it.

Thanks Gary. Is there a current investigation that needs to be finalized for it to be done? Sometimes it seems the NCAA's strategy is to delay. It certainly can have a negative effect.

Indeed it can and has. Sadly, you often have to prod the NCAA to go ahead and say nothing is happening.

BTW: Pay no attention to the pathetic UK types who for whatever perverse reason like to post on here and show their utter ignorance (not to mention their asses). The idiocy in their (wishful) posts is beyond description.

 

[gary-7]

Originally posted by BillyL:
I think we are likely to receive a NOA letter sometime in the timeframe of July-August, what it may or may not contain is likely just a guess . . and from everything I've heard, we aren't going to take anything lightly from the NCAA. Courtroom battles may be in our future . .

Hopefully the tacit threat thereof will dissuade the NCAA from any overreach.
Truth be known, if there is anything outside of football put up as official allegations then the NCAA needs to be put on notice that they'll have a legal mess on their hands. The grounds just aren't there, and they've been popped back for overreach in recent years.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I like gary. I really do. He knows his basketball. And he loves the Heels. But he's definitely one of the most optimistic posters we have here. On the other hand, you've gotten the take from one of the UK idiots. I would say the reality is somewhere in between.

The Cuse sanctions hit hard and might be a sign of things to come. But as gary pointed out, the NCAA would have to get creative just because our situation is so...odd. There's no denying that something went wrong. And the NCAA will have some serious egg on their face if they don't do something. The backlash they would take for not handing down something of significance would be terrific. But they might be able to relieve themselves of some of that backlash by hitting the football team again and nailing the women's Bball team (not that I support that - just trying to use some NCAA rationale).

I'm expecting a minimal reduction of scholarships, maybe one season postseason ban and probation. No vacated wins, no vacated banners. If it's not that bad, then I'll be excited. If it's worse, well, then,...I guess there's that.

 

[TeamCarolina71]

Have not posted here all season but I dont really understand the whole scandal and how the NCAA got involved. I think the University messed up in a lot of ways by doing there own investigating. The simple fact is there were Basketball players that took the courses, so if the NCAA hands down punishment which I think they will its gonna include men's basketball. I think a lot of people are in denial like they were about Hairston, as he was dismissed from the team but everyone said that would not happen.

The recruiting is really being hurt by all this. There are rumors around that opposing coaches are telling top recruits that they have inside info that the basketball program will receive a post season ban. Do they? Who knows. There were so many students that were not athletes that took the classes also, so how do you really justify punishing the athletic dept and nobody else. There is a grey area here but the NCAA is a joke right now and hitting UNC with some sort of punishment in some folks eyes would give them credibility again.

Ive said it before and I'm gonna say it again. The University is still run by some spineless individuals. I support the team, I don't agree with a lot of things associated the current coaching staff and some of the players but I keep those comments to myself now. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[RedlineGold94]

This post was edited on 3/9 11:37 PM by RedlineGold94

The Truth

 

[DSouthr]

Originally posted by SpringMillVol:

Lifelong Vol fan here but was raised in WNC. Being from UNC you have to choose a side in Tobacco Road hoops and I have always taken the Heels. Love the Heel/Duke game. I am curious about what is the current status of the academic scandal/investigation is and what are your thoughts on the outcome. I know UT currently has the NCAA black cloud over the new Bball coach and recruiting is next to impossible. Is the same thing happening in Chapel Hill? Is UNC officially under investigation? Has there been a letter of accusations or anything? Or, has the NCAA even gotten involved? Outside of the Tarheel nation, you hear all kinds of teeth gnashing alot of it I'm sure driven by jealousy. I do know this, Carolina has a very good team, but jsut doesn't seem to have the horses or special players it takes to compete with the very top teams right now.

Thanks

The NCAA, in order to punish us further would have to have found enough evidence in the investigations since to reverse their prior ruling that this was an academic issue and as such was outside of their authority. They would have to find that the coaching staff or AD dept had a direct hand in steering our players to those classes with direct knowledge and ntent to have players that would not be eligible to be eligible. That is the difference in our situation and Syracuse, that coaching staff was knee deep in their issues, all investigations have shown that neither our coaching staff nor the AD had any involvement in those classes.

That being the case, rivals may not like it but the NCAA would have a ton of problems on their hands in court if they reversed their prior decision and I do not think they will. WE have been overtly punished by the NCAA already by slow playing this thing and allowing it to effect several years of recruiting already.

 

[SpringMillVol]

Maybe they will pick it up again after the season. The inconsistency of the NCAA's timing and in many cases, their rulings have to be unsettling. I'm at the point where I have no idea what to expect out of them. I do think they are losing some of their teeth and are ripe for a challenge if they push the limits too far.

 

[Tigertown_a_Rick]

Originally posted by DSouthr:

Originally posted by SpringMillVol:

Lifelong Vol fan here but was raised in WNC. Being from UNC you have to choose a side in Tobacco Road hoops and I have always taken the Heels. Love the Heel/Duke game. I am curious about what is the current status of the academic scandal/investigation is and what are your thoughts on the outcome. I know UT currently has the NCAA black cloud over the new Bball coach and recruiting is next to impossible. Is the same thing happening in Chapel Hill? Is UNC officially under investigation? Has there been a letter of accusations or anything? Or, has the NCAA even gotten involved? Outside of the Tarheel nation, you hear all kinds of teeth gnashing alot of it I'm sure driven by jealousy. I do know this, Carolina has a very good team, but jsut doesn't seem to have the horses or special players it takes to compete with the very top teams right now.

Thanks

The NCAA, in order to punish us further would have to have found enough evidence in the investigations since to reverse their prior ruling that this was an academic issue and as such was outside of their authority. They would have to find that the coaching staff or AD dept had a direct hand in steering our players to those classes with direct knowledge and ntent to have players that would not be eligible to be eligible. That is the difference in our situation and Syracuse, that coaching staff was knee deep in their issues, all investigations have shown that neither our coaching staff nor the AD had any involvement in those classes.

That being the case, rivals may not like it but the NCAA would have a ton of problems on their hands in court if they reversed their prior decision and I do not think they will. WE have been overtly punished by the NCAA already by slow playing this thing and allowing it to effect several years of recruiting already.

Good post DSouthr!

A couple weeks or so ago the NCAA came out, and stated that they are NOT responsible for the academic issues at UNC or anywhere else in a move to protect and distance themselves IMO from the pending lawsuits?....

If that is their stated stance about Academics, how can they turn around, and penalize any team for Academics?

What bothers me more than anything is what I hear every single day on sports' talk radio and local/national TV where the line is generally the same:

"If the NCAA is going to do this to Syracuse, then North Carolina must really be sweating it out, since their academic scandal has gone on for so much longer?"

This grouping of us with what Syracuse was doing, just really aggravates me as a Tarheel fan to NO end!

I as a lifelong Tarheel fan am ashamed of what has happened to the University, and sad how it's reputation has been tarnished perhaps FOREVER because the school refuses to stand up, and defend all the misinformation and out and out lies that have been allowed to be spread by the media, the newspapers and sports' talk radio.....It's just RELENTLESS and seemingly NEVER ending....

As mentioned many times before, the NCAA is seemingly dragging their feet about this whole situation, and it makes me wonder at times whether or not the ACC office has something to do with this ever-lasting verdict delay by the NCAA?

Also agree that our lack of leadership at the top, has had a lot to be desired in the past few years, and is a big part of the problem, and why the school is in the present situation that it finds itself in IMO!