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Incorrect. Schools still care a lot about home game attendance...thus all the hand-wringing over 8 vs. 9 games on the conference schedule. It's all jockeying to try to get 7 home games.
I wasn't saying that they don't care at all. Sure they would like to have a full stadium, but they don't want it at the expense of a lucrative TV contract. It's all about prioritizing what you care about more and right now it's TV money. The easiest way to get fans in the seats is to win games. You accomplish that by getting a good staff that will win games. Making fans happy doesn't win games and because of that it's low on the priority list.
 
I wasn't saying that they don't care at all. Sure they would like to have a full stadium, but they don't want it at the expense of a lucrative TV contract. It's all about prioritizing what you care about more and right now it's TV money. The easiest way to get fans in the seats is to win games. You accomplish that by getting a good staff that will win games. Making fans happy doesn't win games and because of that it's low on the priority list.
The increased money schools are getting from these one-off games is from the host company and/or city of the game, not from TV.
 
The increased money schools are getting from these one-off games is from the host company and/or city of the game, not from TV.
And where do you think the host company and/or city is getting their money? Advertisement. Look at the bowl games for another example. There were about 15 people in Detroit for the whatever bowl that we played in a couple of years ago. That bowl still made money because of advertising.
 
And where do you think the host company and/or city is getting their money? Advertisement. Look at the bowl games for another example. There were about 15 people in Detroit for the whatever bowl that we played in a couple of years ago. That bowl still made money because of advertising.
Yes, they make money because of advertisement. But that's a different concept from building inventory for a league network. They're separate things.
 
Yes, they make money because of advertisement. But that's a different concept from building inventory for a league network. They're separate things.
True, but my original comment was about home games. Neutral sight games aren't really relevant to my original point. Although, in a way neutral sight games just go to prove my point that making fans happy is secondary. Like some of you have said, a home game would be preferable to having to travel and spend more money on a neutral sight game.
 
You guys are forgetting the reason that these schools don't care that much about attendance, which is it doesn't bring in the big money.
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UNC has a huge fanbase in-state(many aren't alumni) unfortunately most don't attend FB games at all or even on a regular basis.
 
UNC has a huge fanbase in-state(many aren't alumni) unfortunately most don't attend FB games at all or even on a regular basis.
Oh definitely. That's what I was getting at when I wrote this:

2). Price gouge which leads to lesser attendance at home games for schools like UNC that don't have a huge fanbase (talking about fanbase that will actually realistically pay to attend a game).
I don't get it for the life of me, but a big chunk of our fanbase doesn't give a crap about football. Why is that? I don't understand. Do they not like football at all? Or are they just NFL fans? What's the deal?

My favorite thing to do when I see a Carolina fan around town here in Metro Atlanta in any of the months after basketball leading up to football, starting in June, is to ask the guy "hey, how good do you think we'll be this year?" Usually the guy will start talking basketball.
 
My favorite thing to do when I see a Carolina fan around town here in Metro Atlanta in any of the months after basketball leading up to football, starting in June, is to ask the guy "hey, how good do you think we'll be this year?" Usually the guy will start talking basketball.

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It's tough to say how linked the two are, but I will give two examples of things:
1). I know for a fact that non-NC State fans go tailgate at Carter-Finley on game days just because it's become such an event. Stands to reason, a few of these folks will end up getting swept up in the pre-game fervor and will scalp a ticket and go in to the game.

Great feedback on this post. Yes, we need to get EVERY game (what is there, only 5 or 6?) to be an event with a party atmosphere that draws people in from the community.....fireworks, tar heel giveaways, special game day ceremonies, etc. Moos from State have recently developed that special game day atmosphere. Yes, Clemson has set a high bar but we can get there, no doubt in my mind.

Even Louisville, another so called "basketball school", has created a great game day atmosphere at home games.
 
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Hey, anyone noticed ESPNU is showing the Carolina-Clemson ACC Championship game replay right now?
 
Neutral Games? It depends on your alumni/ticket holders and the location.

For a program like FSU where the majority of ticket holders live 2.5 hours or more from the stadium, spreading neutral site games near pockets of fans can be a good thing.

Atlanta (vs WVU)...the largest contingent of alumni outside Florida lives in Atlanta...and the location is convenient to those living elsewhere in lower southeast.

Orlando...(vs Bama)....convenient to the large numbers of fans/alumni living in Central Florida.

Jacksonville (Boise St)...convenient to the fans living in Jacksonville, Daytona, Ocala, etc
 
I'm not a huge fan of the season opening neutral site games. Don't get me wrong, they are a lot of fun and I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the tickets and travel, but I would much rather see the Heels play a home/home with UGA or LSU or whoever. Same goes for these other big time games. It wasn't that long ago that OSU and USC played a home and home when both were preseason top 5 teams each year. The atmosphere for both games was beyond electric and that's what college sports is all about. We already have bowl games at the end of the season. These big time early season OOC matchups should be on campus, not at some neutral site professional stadium.

But oh well, it's already been pointed out that not only are these games not going away because of the money, there likely to continue multiplying...
 
Neutral Games? It depends on your alumni/ticket holders and the location.

For a program like FSU where the majority of ticket holders live 2.5 hours or more from the stadium, spreading neutral site games near pockets of fans can be a good thing.

Atlanta (vs WVU)...the largest contingent of alumni outside Florida lives in Atlanta...and the location is convenient to those living elsewhere in lower southeast.

Orlando...(vs Bama)....convenient to the large numbers of fans/alumni living in Central Florida.

Jacksonville (Boise St)...convenient to the fans living in Jacksonville, Daytona, Ocala, etc
Okay, I see the point you are making but.........FSU's Rivals site Warchant just did a piece about two weeks ago about how it's very concerning and frightening that, because of all these neutral site games (including moving Boise from Tallahassee to Jacksonville), high-profile OOC games at Doak Campbell are disappearing quickly. Which leads me to....

I'm not a huge fan of the season opening neutral site games. Don't get me wrong, they are a lot of fun and I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford the tickets and travel, but I would much rather see the Heels play a home/home with UGA or LSU or whoever. Same goes for these other big time games. It wasn't that long ago that OSU and USC played a home and home when both were preseason top 5 teams each year. The atmosphere for both games was beyond electric and that's what college sports is all about. We already have bowl games at the end of the season. These big time early season OOC matchups should be on campus, not at some neutral site professional stadium.
This is exactly my point. UGA-UNC home-and-home, for instance, is basically assured to never happen anymore because of these one-off neutral site games. Sure, it's making the schools a quick buck, but it's squandering opportunities for UNC and all schools to schedule high-profile home-and-homes. The SEC likes these neutral site games a lot because their schedule is already stacked every year.
 
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Great feedback on this post. Yes, we need to get EVERY game (what is there, only 5 or 6?) to be an event with a party atmosphere that draws people in from the community.....fireworks, tar heel giveaways, special game day ceremonies, etc. Moos from State have recently developed that special game day atmosphere. Yes, Clemson has set a high bar but we can get there, no doubt in my mind.

Even Louisville, another so called "basketball school", has created a great game day atmosphere at home games.
And if they can do it, we certainly can. But again, it will require a loosening of ridiculous restrictions on the part of the University re: places to tailgate, parking, etc... As much money as athletics provides to the University, one would think they would be more friendly towards our sports teams and our fans. In 2015, each ACC team(with the exception of ND), received over $26 million in sports revenues. That's not chump change. And almost all of that was generated by football and basketball. Loosening restrictions re: tailgating and parking seems a small price to pay for all that revenue.
 
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Big home and home game scheduling is already disappearing...with the Big Ten gone to a 9 game schedule, the SEC already committed to h&h's with four teams, and the Big 12 playing 9 in conference...it gets more difficult (although Oklahoma played a H&H with the Noles)

Getting an OOC team to commit to play in Tallahassee has been rough. The Big Ten flat won't do it. FSU has played Ohio State in Columbus (twice), Michigan in Michigan (twice), Nebraska in Lincoln (4 X), Michigan State in Lansing....

The SEC shies away from Tallahassee...and have since Spurrier, as successful as he was in the SEC, never won a game there.
 
Since 1990..FSU has played Alabama, South Carolina, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, and Kentucky, and Florida.

Florida is the home and home series...the rest are bowls and away.

FSU played 7 games at LSU to get one in return...
 
Big home and home game scheduling is already disappearing...with the Big Ten gone to a 9 game schedule, the SEC already committed to h&h's with four teams, and the Big 12 playing 9 in conference...it gets more difficult (although Oklahoma played a H&H with the Noles)

Getting an OOC team to commit to play in Tallahassee has been rough. The Big Ten flat won't do it. FSU has played Ohio State in Columbus (twice), Michigan in Michigan (twice), Nebraska in Lincoln (4 X), Michigan State in Lansing....

The SEC shies away from Tallahassee...and have since Spurrier, as successful as he was in the SEC, never won a game there.
Not disappearing.....shifting to neutral-site games. Big 10? Wiscy is playing LSU in Green Bay this year (played in Houston last year). Pac-12? USC plays Alabama in Texas this year (JerryWorld?). The games are out there to be had, they're just not happening because of this neutral site trend.

Since 1990..FSU has played Alabama, South Carolina, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, and Kentucky, and Florida.

Florida is the home and home series...the rest are bowls and away.

FSU played 7 games at LSU to get one in return...
FSU has always been the exception to the rule. They were independent and were really dang good. Then they were really dang good in a terrible ACC when they first joined. They were already smack dab in SEC territory. It's not hard to fathom why SEC teams have historically shied away from playing y'all.

There's a reason teams like UVA and Wake are sought after as OOC opponents, and not FSU and UNC.
 
Big home and home game scheduling is already disappearing...with the Big Ten gone to a 9 game schedule, the SEC already committed to h&h's with four teams, and the Big 12 playing 9 in conference...it gets more difficult (although Oklahoma played a H&H with the Noles)

Getting an OOC team to commit to play in Tallahassee has been rough. The Big Ten flat won't do it. FSU has played Ohio State in Columbus (twice), Michigan in Michigan (twice), Nebraska in Lincoln (4 X), Michigan State in Lansing....

The SEC shies away from Tallahassee...and have since Spurrier, as successful as he was in the SEC, never won a game there.
You ought to be plumb ashamed of lying so boldly. Everybody knows the SEC is not afraid of anybody because the SEC wins everywhere.
 
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