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Different Culture at UNC....If you have ever been to Death Valley you would know...I have been twice to see the Heels...We are 1-1...The win came in the Mack Brown era...It's something to behold...
 
Different Culture at UNC....If you have ever been to Death Valley you would know...I have been twice to see the Heels...We are 1-1...The win came in the Mack Brown era...It's something to behold...
I grew up in SEC country. I've been in stadiums that seat many more than Death Valley.

I've never even visited OR, but I know that Autzen seats fewer than Kenan, and that while the stadium is now packed, it rarely was more than half full before the mid-1990s. The right coaches elevated the quality of Oregon football, and the fans responded to consistent winning. The same can happen for UNC.
 
I grew up in SEC country. I've been in stadiums that seat many more than Death Valley.

I've never even visited OR, but I know that Autzen seats fewer than Kenan, and that while the stadium is now packed, it rarely was more than half full before the mid-1990s. The right coaches elevated the quality of Oregon football, and the fans responded to consistent winning. The same can happen for UNC.
Oregon is unique. Phil Knight pumped a ton of money and support into that program. Kelly was great there, but he didn’t do it alone.
 
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Oregon is unique. Phil Knight pumped a ton of money and support into that program. Kelly was great there, but he didn’t do it alone.

So do you think a program cannot have a big upsurge unless it has an alum with deep pockets?

Here is an article on Matt Campbell and Iowa St. "The Cyclones aren’t going to beat Oklahoma, Texas or TCU in the recruiting rankings, but they can reach a point where they can beat those programs on the field."

Likewise, UNC football is not going to start landing classes that are ranked dead even with FSU, Clemson, and Miami, but the right coach can and will be out Matt Campbell.

And keep in mind that Iowa St is a #2 school and #2 football program in a small state that does not border a single state that produces a large amount of talent. IL is okay for football recruiting, but pales compared to OH, which now nearly pales compared to GA.
 
So do you think a program cannot have a big upsurge unless it has an alum with deep pockets?

Here is an article on Matt Campbell and Iowa St. "The Cyclones aren’t going to beat Oklahoma, Texas or TCU in the recruiting rankings, but they can reach a point where they can beat those programs on the field."

Likewise, UNC football is not going to start landing classes that are ranked dead even with FSU, Clemson, and Miami, but the right coach can and will be out Matt Campbell.

And keep in mind that Iowa St is a #2 school and #2 football program in a small state that does not border a single state that produces a large amount of talent. IL is okay for football recruiting, but pales compared to OH, which now nearly pales compared to GA.
Comparing Iowa St and Oregon is non-sensical. Your hate for Fedora makes you illogical.
 
This is the problem with everything he puts on this board. It's silly, stupid and a waste of time.
Well, then, here is more that is silly, stupid, and a waste of time that you should avoid: Joe Burrow most likely will visit Chapel Hill and that most likely will be his 3rd and final visit.

If that is so, then Fedora may well have learned a good deal about bad QBs with high athlete ratings from last year. And it almost certainly means that he does not feel comfortable with either Elliott or Surratt right now and does not want to play either true freshman.
 
And more silliness: if Fedora does want Burrow, that is either a bad sign or a good sign for Ruder and Fortin, and a bad sign for Surratt.

For Surratt, the bad sign ought to be obvious even to those who are not silly.

For Ruder and Fortin, it is a bad sign if they badly want to start at least by the 2nd year on campus, because if Fedora lands Burrow he may well expect him to start 2 years. If is a good sign for Ruder and Fortin if they are more than fine to wait two years, battling with one another to be the guy most likely to replace Burrow.

Of course, being silly I have this sense that continued failure to sign and.or develop and/or retain ACC top quality DTs, DEs, and LBs, as well as develop a 2-deep OL that holds its own all season, will cripple the team's progress. And the more that is so, the more no QB really matters - unless you are happy averaging 7.5 wins per season.
 
Question big boy? DO YOU EVER POST ANYTHING POSITIVE? Pony up the small fee and bring your BS to Blue Heaven. Hell at least you won't be talking to yourself.
 
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If you have been around Carolina football in the last 50 years, you would know that we have potential with the right coach......Larry ain't the guy. He is a nice person, but he is not the right "fit" or the person to lead Carolina football to the next level.
 
Question big boy? DO YOU EVER POST ANYTHING POSITIVE? Pony up the small fee and bring your BS to Blue Heaven. Hell at least you won't be talking to yourself.
Perhaps you should post something positive about the way we have been signing, retaining, and developing DTs, DEs, and LBs. Perhaps that positive could be to assure us that those positions are overrated by casual fans.

I know that won't make an impact on you. I lived through Crum ruining a very good thing he inherited and dealt with UNC football fans who demanded that no one speak ill of a UNC coach. I lived through the very early internet days of the end of the Torbush years. I had people respond to me, and others like me, just as you do now when I noted that Torbush would never get us back where we were under Mack. That demand by UNC football fans to hear only 'the positive' got worse during the Bunting years.

And here we are still.
 
If you have been around Carolina football in the last 50 years, you would know that we have potential with the right coach......Larry ain't the guy. He is a nice person, but he is not the right "fit" or the person to lead Carolina football to the next level.
Saying that with the right coach UNC football can become a consistent big time winner should be seen as a positive statement. But, as was proven with a fury during the Bunting years, many UNC football fans go livid at hearing that it because means that a coach they are still defending is lacking.

I know you saw many, perhaps most, of the same arguments I did in those days in which pro-Bunting people failed to see that their position meant they were claiming that either UNC football could never do that or it would take any coach at least 10 years to get to that point.
 
I got no dog in the fight, am not a alumni. Some might call me a Walmart fan but would be wrong. I am just a blue collar man that has been a fan of sports, all sports at the University of the People since little carolina was in the ACC. That being said I do have a opinion. My expertise is equalivalent to arm chair water boy. I have also been through the Crum years and Bunting years. I remember when Mack Brown brought some hope into the football program and saw him move on to bigger things. If I would have had his decision I would have done the same thing.
Then came Butch...I knew we had something when my Clemson brother in law and my VT sister seemed comcerned with UNC becoming a power as our recruiting under Butch started taking off. My hopes and dreams of competing in college football were seemingly about to come true. Then came the talk of black santa and slowly but surely the poor decisions of the PTB'ers crushed any hope I had of success on the football field. My brother in law told me it would take 10 years for UNC to overcome what transpired after the Butch Davis viasco. So here we are almost seven years into the bil's prediction. I seriously doubt that Fedora will turn the program into a top twenty football program. I happen to believe he is doing the best he can with what is has been dealt with. The next couple of years will confirm if he is going to be successful or not. One thing though, "the hat" while continuing in mediocrity has made watching Tar Heel football pretty damn exciting, barring last year. Sometimes you have to face reality and understand that our footbal program is what it is. I will continue to be a Tar Heel football fan through and through and keep my head up knowing that we have nothing to be ashamed of. We never claimed to be a football school or power. It would be nice to be in the top twenty and competing in major bowl games and a shot at a national championship once every 10 or 15 years but there a plenty of schools who fail at reaching that level. Hell, look at little carolina, they claim to be a football school and suck. The Hokies think they are a football school but have never won anything worth crowing about.
I know...tldr... I don't give a damn what you think of my post. I am pretty much posting this for myself.
 
I got no dog in the fight, am not a alumni. Some might call me a Walmart fan but would be wrong. I am just a blue collar man that has been a fan of sports, all sports at the University of the People since little carolina was in the ACC. That being said I do have a opinion. My expertise is equalivalent to arm chair water boy. I have also been through the Crum years and Bunting years. I remember when Mack Brown brought some hope into the football program and saw him move on to bigger things. If I would have had his decision I would have done the same thing.
Then came Butch...I knew we had something when my Clemson brother in law and my VT sister seemed comcerned with UNC becoming a power as our recruiting under Butch started taking off. My hopes and dreams of competing in college football were seemingly about to come true. Then came the talk of black santa and slowly but surely the poor decisions of the PTB'ers crushed any hope I had of success on the football field. My brother in law told me it would take 10 years for UNC to overcome what transpired after the Butch Davis viasco. So here we are almost seven years into the bil's prediction. I seriously doubt that Fedora will turn the program into a top twenty football program. I happen to believe he is doing the best he can with what is has been dealt with. The next couple of years will confirm if he is going to be successful or not. One thing though, "the hat" while continuing in mediocrity has made watching Tar Heel football pretty damn exciting, barring last year. Sometimes you have to face reality and understand that our footbal program is what it is. I will continue to be a Tar Heel football fan through and through and keep my head up knowing that we have nothing to be ashamed of. We never claimed to be a football school or power. It would be nice to be in the top twenty and competing in major bowl games and a shot at a national championship once every 10 or 15 years but there a plenty of schools who fail at reaching that level. Hell, look at little carolina, they claim to be a football school and suck. The Hokies think they are a football school but have never won anything worth crowing about.
I know...tldr... I don't give a damn what you think of my post. I am pretty much posting this for myself.

i like this post.
 
I live here in Clemson. The entire area lives, breathes, eats, sleeps FOOTBALL!

I can't see UNC ever being anything but a stepping-stone school for a lifetime coach like you see with Swinney, or Saban. Mack Brown is a prime example.

I remember, as a kid, when Dooley and Crum were the coaches. It was always "2nd behind Clemson."
 
It's no secret that Fedora is a mediocre at best coach. But the current fan support and culture surrounding UNC football doesn't deserve anything better than a mediocre coach.
 
You know who would make an awesome head coach at UNC (in about a decade at least) and would stick around to build a dynasty?

Bryn Renner
 
I got no dog in the fight, am not a alumni. Some might call me a Walmart fan but would be wrong. I am just a blue collar man that has been a fan of sports, all sports at the University of the People since little carolina was in the ACC. That being said I do have a opinion. My expertise is equalivalent to arm chair water boy. I have also been through the Crum years and Bunting years. I remember when Mack Brown brought some hope into the football program and saw him move on to bigger things. If I would have had his decision I would have done the same thing.
Then came Butch...I knew we had something when my Clemson brother in law and my VT sister seemed comcerned with UNC becoming a power as our recruiting under Butch started taking off. My hopes and dreams of competing in college football were seemingly about to come true. Then came the talk of black santa and slowly but surely the poor decisions of the PTB'ers crushed any hope I had of success on the football field. My brother in law told me it would take 10 years for UNC to overcome what transpired after the Butch Davis viasco. So here we are almost seven years into the bil's prediction. I seriously doubt that Fedora will turn the program into a top twenty football program. I happen to believe he is doing the best he can with what is has been dealt with. The next couple of years will confirm if he is going to be successful or not. One thing though, "the hat" while continuing in mediocrity has made watching Tar Heel football pretty damn exciting, barring last year. Sometimes you have to face reality and understand that our footbal program is what it is. I will continue to be a Tar Heel football fan through and through and keep my head up knowing that we have nothing to be ashamed of. We never claimed to be a football school or power. It would be nice to be in the top twenty and competing in major bowl games and a shot at a national championship once every 10 or 15 years but there a plenty of schools who fail at reaching that level. Hell, look at little carolina, they claim to be a football school and suck. The Hokies think they are a football school but have never won anything worth crowing about.
I know...tldr... I don't give a damn what you think of my post. I am pretty much posting this for myself.
we need more fans like you.
 
As an alum class of '76..I have seen a lot of things referenced above from other posters.
I do not have any of the answers although I continue to shake my head that Carolina cannot be a consistent top 15 program on the gridiron. I have used the Wiscy reference before in these types of threads....a consistent top 15 national program that will from time to time sneak up and get a Rose Bowl It also has solid academics and with what we have just gone thru That model is attainable IMO.

How do we get there??? I guess I still believe in Fedora .I like the guy always have but I also see his shortcomings as a coach.

like I say I have no real answers... wish I did but this fall I will still cheer my Heels on.
It IS obvious I think that this is a major year for Fedora. Another year like the last, and yeah we had a ton of injuries, but another one like that and his days could be numbered.
 
What's Renner been doing since the Steelers cut him in 2016? Any idea?

No clue.

But he's the son of a coach, and a former UNC QB that grew up in the local area. So he knows the game, and he's got the loyalty to UNC. He could start out volunteering with the QB's at UNC then move his way up. Probably would be a 10 year journey at least.
 
Well you’re the expert on not knowing things so I’ll take your word for it.

No expert but your statement is in line with being foolish. Nothing against BR but to say he would make a great coach is insane, which falls right in line with you.
 
One only needs to look south to find an answer.
Georgia Tech decided to become a consistent winner instead of trying to be a flash in the pan success.
They have been able to take student-athletes that fit their academic and athletic purposes and be successful over a long period of time. The uniqueness of their offense also plays well to the media (this should not be discounted).
That pattern delivers 8-9 wins per year and satisfies the PTB on the academic side, and will work for the long term rather than having to start over every 4-7 years.
We need Jeff Monken.
http://footballscoop.com/news/army-go-2-10-10-3-2-year-span-jeff-monken-explains/
 
One only needs to look south to find an answer.
Georgia Tech decided to become a consistent winner instead of trying to be a flash in the pan success.
They have been able to take student-athletes that fit their academic and athletic purposes and be successful over a long period of time. The uniqueness of their offense also plays well to the media (this should not be discounted).
That pattern delivers 8-9 wins per year and satisfies the PTB on the academic side, and will work for the long term rather than having to start over every 4-7 years.
We need Jeff Monken.
http://footballscoop.com/news/army-go-2-10-10-3-2-year-span-jeff-monken-explains/
You've got to give this up man. Nobody wants him hear just like the GT fans don't want Johnson. We can win 8 games without running the most boring offense of all time.

ETA: Fed has a 56 winning percentage. Your man crush has a 58 winning percentage. Not exactly a huge difference.
 
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You've got to give this up man. Nobody wants him hear just like the GT fans don't want Johnson. We can win 8 games without running the most boring offense of all time.

ETA: Fed has a 56 winning percentage. Your man crush has a 58 winning percentage. Not exactly a huge difference.


But........Monken is trending up and Larry will be lucky to win 5 this year.
 
But........Monken is trending up and Larry will be lucky to win 5 this year.
Monken is at a non P5 school. Fedora was trending up when he was at a non P5 school too. It's an apple to oranges comparison. Your Johnson comparison was better, but obviously it wasn't favorable to your argument. Are you related to Monken or a really close friend?
 
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Striving to be Georgia Tech is a new low.

Ya, Fedora kinda sucks as a coach and the program will be in purgatory for as long as he's here, but at least the games are more exciting than watching the triple option.
 
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Striving to be Georgia Tech is a new low.

Ya, Fedora kinda sucks as a coach and the program will be in purgatory for as long as he's here, but at least the games are more exciting than watching the triple option.

Give me a deceptive running game and solid defense that can stop somebody over smoke and mirror football anyday.
Since we have to recruit with one hand tied behind our backs, we had better find a system that will allow us to compete and win at least win 8-9 games a year with an occasional 10-11 win season. It sure beats trudging into BKS to watch a home run derby and get beat week after week.
 
Give me a deceptive running game and solid defense that can stop somebody over smoke and mirror football anyday.
Since we have to recruit with one hand tied behind our backs, we had better find a system that will allow us to compete and win at least win 8-9 games a year with an occasional 10-11 win season. It sure beats trudging into BKS to watch a home run derby and get beat week after week.
Maybe you haven’t been paying attention this lately. This is where football is going. The Super Bowl features two of the best defensive teams in the league and scored around 80 points combined.
 
Give me a deceptive running game and solid defense that can stop somebody over smoke and mirror football anyday.
Since we have to recruit with one hand tied behind our backs, we had better find a system that will allow us to compete and win at least win 8-9 games a year with an occasional 10-11 win season. It sure beats trudging into BKS to watch a home run derby and get beat week after week.
So you're going to ignore the stats I gave you showing there is virtually no difference between Johnson's record and Fedora's record?
 
So you're going to ignore the stats I gave you showing there is virtually no difference between Johnson's record and Fedora's record?

And your point would be?
Mack Brown had seasons of 1-10, 4-7, and 6-6 in his only head coaching job at Tulane before he became Carolina's coach. Just judging by his record would you have hired him?
 
And your point would be?
Mack Brown had seasons of 1-10, 4-7, and 6-6 in his only head coaching job at Tulane before he became Carolina's coach. Just judging by his record would you have hired him?
You're the one that kept on bringing up records. I was just showing you that their records are almost the same. Shouldn't you be out recruiting right now Jeff?
 
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You're the one that kept on bringing up records. I was just showing you that their records are almost the same. Shouldn't you be out recruiting right now Jeff?


Why compare Larry to PJ?
Monken has his own record to run on (62-42, 8 seasons).
38-16 at Georgia Southern (4 seasons), and 24-26 at Army (includes 18 losses his first two seasons).
BTW he has been recruiting our footprint since 1997 at Georgia Southern, Navy, Georgia Tech, Georgia Southern again and now West Point.
 
Jeff Monken is literally the dumbest suggestion you could make. That would be a massive step backwards. Just stop. Nobody here is interested in triple option football, so either stop beating this dead horse or move on to another board. This has gotten completely silly.
 
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