Daily Drop: What Happened with Lubin Ending up at State
Ven-Allen Lubin’s decision to transfer from North Carolina to NC State has generated quite the reaction from many UNC
Daily Drop: What Happened with Lubin Ending up at State
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What pisses me off is signing a contract and not honoring it AND then going to NCSU. Sorry but I believe in honoring your word. That being said, I have no real animus towards VAL and wish he was on the team (if he didn't cause a locker room problem, which I believe has been a big issue in 2 of Hubert's 4 years). Life is NOT about just making money. But that's me and he can do what he wants.
In the world today we carelessly throw around words as if they mean very little any more. Someone does not agree with you it is perfectly fine to call them a Nazi, a racist, traitor, and any word ending with the word "phobe". Doing so lessens the meaning for those that truly deserve those tags. I don't like how Lubin exited but to call him a traitor is way to far, shame on any one that has done that.
Clearly, 4 teams in now 4 seasons shows he does not really care much for loyalty unless it is loyalty to the dollar, as Otis said before the Black Crows, "actions speak louder than words". Unfortunately such actions has some how become acceptable and the way things are now allowed to be done actually rewards a lack of loyalty, in the end Lubin gets more money at State and all it cost him was his word no longer means anything which now days seems to hold no value anyway. Sorry but words like loyalty, respect, honor still mean a lot to me, I don't know why they mean so little to so many now?
AJ and Jacob made it clear that Lubin was being underpaid. Nobody's fault, per se, because apparently the deal was in line with the market at the time. But the market changed - and not in a trivial way.
I would have been happier if UNC had offered to adjust Lubin's deal to be in line with current NIL packages. It doesn't sound like they were willing to do that.
At some point, it seems clear that Lubin felt he was being taken advantage of. And from what AJ and Jacob said, he wasn't wrong - when you compare his deal with Stevenson's, for example.
SO . . .
On one hand you have a kid who reneges on a deal when it turns out to be a bad deal.
On the other hand you have a school that got an advantage on a player and was unwilling to make a reasonable market-based adjustment.
No glory on either side, but if you must choose who's the bad guy, it's the institution taking advantage, not the kid being taken advantage of.
UNC being unwilling to work with Lubin to resolve this makes a mockery of "Family."
jmo
I would have been happier if UNC had offered to adjust Lubin's deal to be in line with current NIL packages. It doesn't sound like they were willing to do that.
At some point, it seems clear that Lubin felt he was being taken advantage of. And from what AJ and Jacob said, he wasn't wrong - when you compare his deal with Stevenson's, for example.
SO . . .
On one hand you have a kid who reneges on a deal when it turns out to be a bad deal.
On the other hand you have a school that got an advantage on a player and was unwilling to make a reasonable market-based adjustment.
No glory on either side, but if you must choose who's the bad guy, it's the institution taking advantage, not the kid being taken advantage of.
UNC being unwilling to work with Lubin to resolve this makes a mockery of "Family."
jmo
Nice discussion.
Daily Drop: What Happened with Lubin Ending up at State
Ven-Allen Lubin’s decision to transfer from North Carolina to NC State has generated quite the reaction from many UNCnorthcarolina.rivals.com
Thanks.
Unfortunately, in my opinion at least "family" as we know it is dying out. The player willing to sit and wait to get his is becoming extinct. For decades the best pickup games in the state were on the black top courts outside Granville in the summer. Players eagerly returned to "pay it forward" because of an undying sense of loyalty and respect for Coach Smith. A highly recruited freshman who struggled to see meaningful playing time would get advice and guidance from someone who had "been there and done that" and was now playing in the league.
When you are barely in college long enough to unpack you just do not develop that same attachment to the school. Now it's about the player's brand and his own marketing. I think the podcast where former players called out Cadeau was a signal that "family" was not what it used to be. The same conversation could (and should) have been done in private if the former players were more interested in helping the current team than generating clicks for their podcast.
College basketball has officially become a business for the players. Lubin is just the first to walk away from a negotiated deal, and he won't be the last.
When you are barely in college long enough to unpack you just do not develop that same attachment to the school. Now it's about the player's brand and his own marketing. I think the podcast where former players called out Cadeau was a signal that "family" was not what it used to be. The same conversation could (and should) have been done in private if the former players were more interested in helping the current team than generating clicks for their podcast.
College basketball has officially become a business for the players. Lubin is just the first to walk away from a negotiated deal, and he won't be the last.
It's a short term economy in college athletics and in the real world.
I'm not going to place a ton of blame on the players though. While I'm a bit old school in that if you shake someone's hand and make an agreement to something, that should be worth enough to go through with it. I remember I was in a hiring role for a job once and an applicant and I came to an agreement and he signed the paperwork to join our company. He ended up using it as leverage and got more money with his employer at the time. It pissed me off but I understood too. I think I'm in a similar mentality with Lubin. I'm not really pissed but I do understand.
These players have a limited amount of time to make the most money they can possibly make. Most of their highest earning potential as basketball players will probably be during their college seasons. So if a player makes an extra 200K+ in a season, I'm not going to blame them at all. Even if they came to an agreement.
College sports can help itself by just acting like an employer and give out legally binding contracts. All of this "make the player sit out a year for 2nd time transfers" is all a bandaid. Just do contracts that the team and players agree to. That way each side has to be accountable.
I wonder if Dean Smith's reminiscing would be as valid if he tried to do all of that stuff today. I don't think players would be loyal either way today. They simply have more options today than players had in the 80s or 90s. More options give the players power. Fewer options give programs and coaches power.
Can't stop progress. Adapt or die.
He agreed to the deal and reaffirmed that agreement not long before entering the portal.
IMHO we need to move on from all this "Carolina Family" crap now, it was great a decade ago when it actually meant something. Right now it doesn't, its just pure cold hearted business and we need to adapt like the rest of the teams are doing.
Did you listen to the video? I actually did this time lol and I must say I would be in his corner. Yes he agreed to a deal. They brought in a guy and agreed to pay him double. A guy that yes could have more potential but hasn’t done anything of significance for his team. I’d be hacked. They even said they thought he wanted to stay but wanted a new deal. As much as I HATE the way things are trending for college sports, I’d also want my kid to fight for himself. I actually think UNC knew they got him for a decent price but then didn’t mind to let him go after the opportunity arose. His first coach left. His second coach left. Then this happened. These are the problems going forward for every individual, because of money now involved. “Legally “ that is.
Some good points but just know that not all perceived as progress may not be good and can be decline. Which is adapt and die.
He did it in the player-coach exit meetings after the season. He agreed to the deal and said he'd be back. It was the money Stevenson got that changed things. VAL's camp was not happy.
How so? Should we have overpaid for an undersized center who struggles on defense?
Bama, I did listen to the pod and no, I can not back Lubin's decision. Sorry but you make a deal you stick to that deal. As AJ shares, he didn't just agree to the deal he re-affirmed it. This was a power play to force UNC to bow to his demands, the timing was not by accident (coming the day before the portal was to close). It is the very same reason that Tenn could not capitulate to the QB.
Straight up, I am not upset at all that Lubin left, I am upset because UNC did not back fill his spot with a guy more able to contribute than Lubin.
Oh I know it wasn’t on accident. Just after hearing the facts I don’t blame him one bit. Like someone said above, it’s a business with business decisions now.
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