Debate Night Again . . .
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I have said it from the outset months ago .................Carly Fiorina is one TOUGH lady She is a fantastic candidate and I hope she continues to rise in the polls
Carly is impressive
Bush is giving a decent showing
Carson might have some good ideas but is boring
And the Donald is more of a buffoon than ever
None of the others probably stand a chance
Bush is giving a decent showing
Carson might have some good ideas but is boring
And the Donald is more of a buffoon than ever
None of the others probably stand a chance
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It's a shame for Jeb that he has to follow his dad and brother. He seems to be the best of the lot, but he's got no chance in the current climate.
Not that I like him the best of the candidates, but I would like him better if he weren't a Bush.
Not that I like him the best of the candidates, but I would like him better if he weren't a Bush.
geezus kreist, they are joke.
not one single person up there deserves to replace the current person in there now.
i have no idea who to support...i hate or laugh at everyone.
not one single person up there deserves to replace the current person in there now.
i have no idea who to support...i hate or laugh at everyone.
He's coming off better tonight but you're right in that the Bush name is not going to help his effort.
G that actually was the best answer of them all. It was nothing more than a tribute to his mother who could not read but sacrificed her entire life so her boys would not be the same.
When i said best of the lot I was referring to the lot of Bushes, not of the GOP field.
I think he has no chance because of his name. But even with a different name, it would only improve to a slight chance.
It kills me that Trump is getting so much play. Of the 3 non-politicians, he is a distant third behind Fiorina and Carson. And he is a worse option than a few of the politicians- Rubio, Christie and Paul.
How can any thinking republican or conservative support the Donald? I just dont get it.
How can any thinking republican or conservative support the Donald? I just dont get it.
71 the only reason is because most people are SICK and Tired of the insiders period. Hence, Trump Carson and Carly gaining the most support. This country is so tired from Washington.
I understand the country being sick and tired of insiders amd there are excellent options in the GOP- we have both mentioned Fiorina and Carson. Trump, however, is not an excellent option- he is a buffoon and blowhard, but even worse, he is terribly shallow on the issues.
I think Trump just appeals to people who think that they too could be president and instantly fix all that is wrong.
Didn't watch. I'll just listen to the Herman Cain show and listen to his opinions on the debate.
Didn't much care for Carly until I listen to his show and he interviewed her. She's a smart cookie. Also, would (10 years ago).
Didn't much care for Carly until I listen to his show and he interviewed her. She's a smart cookie. Also, would (10 years ago).
Yeah, I'm afraid the GOP is shooting itself in the foot letting Trump hang around. No one in their right mind would ever want him in office so why waste time with him?
The GOP has been shooting itself in the foot wayyyyyy before Trump arrived on the scene. The GOP is in shambles.
it was a thoughtful answer, but it's completely unrealistic...much like all those characters up there and the ones on the other side, they are clowns.
Speaking of jokes, I have to believe your statement of which I have quoted is indeed one. I have more faith in you gtee that you would be so easily duped by the slick talk to think Obama was qualified to be elected President in the first place and/or that he has shown a competency for the position. Seriously, I'm stunned that people question any candidate's preparedness for the position after our country elected a totally unqualified community organizer (still don't know WTF that is) and watched him f*ck it up royally.
As far as last night, here's my take.
Winners:
Rubio, Walker, Fiorina and Christie were probably the biggest winners last night. But that doesn't mean I think all 4 of them are serious players. Of those 4, I think only Walker and Rubio have a legitimate chance. But I was impressed with Christie. He doesn't look or sound Presidential in any way whatsoever, but he won some points last night. I think he beat the drum too hard on supporting the war, but he was strong. Walker is likable, has executive experience and an honest sounding approach. Fiorina is smart, articulate and not a push over. But she's just not capable of leading the free world. Rubio is a greenhorn and at times last night it looked like he was trying too hard. But what he lacks in polish, he makes up for with desire and good strong convictions. I would say of the ones with a real chance, I like him the best.
Losers:
I like a lot of things about Rand Paul - one of the biggest being his stance on the legalization of marijuana. But his rant last night aimed at Bush was a little weird. He kept citing a mother attempting to give a sick kid cannibis oil and Bush wanting to "put mothers in jail and have the child taken from her" was a bit over the top. Not a good example. Because let's be honest...the legalization of marijuana is primarily for recreational use. And I don't have a problem with that. Let's not pretend that millions and millions of people are waiting around for medicinal marijuana. I used to agree more with him on his foreign relations principles. But radical islam is running amok. And if he doesn't recognize that, it could put us in the same position that Obama has put us in. He didn't do himself any favors last night. On to Ben Carson,...I really like the guy. I think he's a brilliant man. And I loved the story he told of his interaction with Bush and his recommendation to not go to war but to publicly declare oil independence which would have weakened those in the M.E. I think that was an impressive thought process. But he's just not cut out for politics. He's too nice.
Didn't win, didn't lose:
Some might say Trump was a loser of last night but I think he did what he wanted to do - continue to beat the drum for immigration reform and talk about his ability to create jobs. He's weak in so many areas. But he knows what is resonating. Gotta give him some credit there. And there were some jabs thrown at him last night. But it doesn't seem to bother him. I actually saw some humility in Trump last night. Ted Cruz is what he is - a smart but angry man. I respect his intelligence and experience but he's just so unlikable. He's the most "constitutionally focused" of all the candidates. Huckabee has a very nice way about him. He's charming and charismatic but his connection to the religious right will be his undoing. And the way he beat the drum about abortion probably didn't do him any favors with even conservative women. Then there's Bush. I thought he did ok and I didn't dislike him as much this time as last. But with regard to immigration, he's as weak and liberal as Hillary. And I can't go for that...no can do.
"The problem, substantively, was that Fiorina didn't actually know what she was talking about."
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9342761/carly-fiorina-debate
@gunslingerdick my statement had to do with the current person as well as the possible replacements last night.
so as poor as the current resident might be, these clowns are even worse...it was a clown show.
so as poor as the current resident might be, these clowns are even worse...it was a clown show.
I watched but you have to take these things with a grain of salt. We are in the crapper now b/c we elected someone who "debates well" -- it's no different, on a fundamental level, than someone getting Straight A's in school, but has zero common sense. For me, take this whole media-driven notion of "Winners" and "Losers" of the debate and scrap it -- it's nothing more than talking points to drive ratings. At the end of the day, I don't give a damn who had the most witty answer, who jabbed who, whose feelings got hurt, etc...it means nothing. I care about one thing -- who is best equipped to run this country. And to me, that answer is Trump...and clearly I'm not alone in that feeling. I think his "take crap from no one" approach is one we have unfortunately spiraled to the point of needing. If the country were more stable, I would be leaning more towards Ben Carson b/c his methodical, logical, and thoughtful approach seems to align almost perfectly with how I, personally, approach every situation I'm faced with...so I resonate with that. I just think we're in such a bad state that the time for that approach has passed - we need a bull at this point, and Trump is the only one I see as being that.
Also -- If I hear ONE MORE f*&)&)&ing person (ahem, Cruz) mention how many donors were raised since a debate or how much money has been raised, I'm literally gonna admit myself to a mental institution. THAT is another reason Trump is doing so well -- pardon me, but F*** how much money you've raised...I work my ass off, I don't give a damn about your fundraising adventures. JMHO
Also -- If I hear ONE MORE f*&)&)&ing person (ahem, Cruz) mention how many donors were raised since a debate or how much money has been raised, I'm literally gonna admit myself to a mental institution. THAT is another reason Trump is doing so well -- pardon me, but F*** how much money you've raised...I work my ass off, I don't give a damn about your fundraising adventures. JMHO
I dunno about "millions", but it wouldn't surprise me. There are a LOT of people that need it and should have it. Decriminalizing the stuff would help immensely.
The GOP is one big shill for the MIC and Israel. It's sad, really. And, they're becoming a religious cult, too! They never should have let that extreme evangelical group in the tent. Too late now.
If it weren't for the petroleum, there would be no Radical Islam.
If it weren't for the petroleum, there would be no Radical Islam.
Dude, you have lost it......blaming petrol for Radical Islam? You must be smoking some of Rand Pauls dope! Didn't take you for an Islamic Apologist...I was wrong!
Your hatred for Christians is duly noted......to bad that those Christians that you hate so much were the backbone that made this into a great Country.......
I'll take a boring thoughtful intelligent Ben over what we currently have and over the majority of those currently running....the President's position is not for entertainment...which is all Trump is about IMHO.
Hatred of Christians! That's funny. I hate Christians because what I say offends you? I'm not sure I've ever met a Christian. I've met people who call themselves Christians.
I'm not "apologizing for Islamists", GAC. I'm simply not pointing blame where it doesn't belong. It's difficult for people to accept their complicity. Your leaders did this. Maybe they needed to act more Christian instead of trying to serve their earthly desires.
Here, Wesley Clarke was smoking some, too...
The attention and focus on that whole region goes back to the same thing... oil. Why did the US and Great Britain stage a coup and remove Mossadeq in 1953? he wanted to nationalize the oil! British Petroleum would take a huge hit on their bottom line. The people who live there react harshly to the people they perceive as the invader. If you had some empathy- as Christ would- you'd get that with ease.
Can you put this in your sig? I just, umm... I want to be reminded of it when I'm reading anything else you ever write on this board. Thanks.
I will if you will do the same. The backhanded sarcasm and indirect shot at my intelligence is the exact same type of smugness that has helped lead this country into the cesspool of dogsh!t is it currently in right now. People should also be, umm...reminded of that as well. Thanks.
I don't like the way Trump comes across as a fratboy jerk or as a schoolyard bully...but I do recognize that we unfortunately need someone with his ability to turn around this country's finances, isn't tied to donors, and won't be pushed around like our current president is. We hear every 4 years that "this country cannot afford four more years of the same....blah blah blah." They all say it, on both sides. I have zero faith or trust that any of the alternatives right now would do anything but continue the free-fall that we're in now.
The only problem is that Trump hasn't explained how he plans to do any of his proposals.
True. I've noticed that too, but I'm on the fence about anyone doing that, to be honest. How could you lay out this well-designed plan without having yet been in office and learned the DNA of the situation(s) you're faced with? On a lesser scale (obviously), that would be like me applying for a manager job and telling the HR Dept that I'm going to come in and do X, XX, and XXX...but yet, I haven't met any of the staff, etc. Doing that also leads to what Obama has run into with broken promise after broken promise. I don't have ANY doubt that he fully planned to do everything he promised when he was running for office.
fair point.... and yes, I totally agree regarding Trump. In fact, sometimes I wonder if he REALLY wants to be the POTUS or not; I mean, it all might be a fun little diversion for him, you know?
Agreed. And if my choice is between a moderate Republican and Hillary, I'm voting R every time. She has very little integrity IMO.
Backhanded? My apologies. It was intended as open ridicule. Trump is a buffoon, and the idea that anyone thinks he should lead the country is at the same time hilarious, discouraging, and more than a little terrifying.
I agree that the field is pathetic on both sides of the aisle. It's ridiculous that neither party can give us anyone remotely resembling a true statesman, someone we could look to as a leader with pride and confidence. But Trump? No. Just no. He's a punchline, a sideshow. There's no substance there whatsoever. Sorry not sorry.
Seriously, who doesn't know where to find a dime bag these days? C'mon people, a bag of weed is no more than 2 degrees away from any citizen of the United States at any time.
I've literally said the exact same things about Obama. No, I promise. You could probably check my posting history and find that exact quote. I know hundreds of people that have said the EXACT SAME THINGS ABOUT OBAMA. Especially that "no substance" comment. I mean, if I had a nickel for every time I or someone else across the country said "no substance" in reference to Obama, I'd have a boatload of nickels. Buffoon is an awesome word that I like to use pretty regularly. And when I do use it, chances are I'm talking about Obama. And yeah, everyday my opinion of people that support Obama lowers and my disdain for them grows so I've definitely used that phrase too. Punchline? Well, I used to say that word in reference to Obama. But 7 years in, it's clear that the joke is on us.
