Do We Need Another Proven 3-Point Shooter?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

We have RJ back (39.8% on 284 attempts) and we added Cade Tyson (46.5% on 172 attempts), but we lost Harrison (38.5% on 169 attempts) and Cormac (35.4% on 212 attempts)

If you strip away the creampuffs from Cade Tyson's numbers, his average drops to 39.4% or 39.8%, depending on what you call a creampuff.

My guess is that we could get 12-13 ppg from Cade on maybe 38% shooting. Reflecting that we played 17 games against top-50 teams this year while Belmont faced only 3.

Some might say my guess is optimistic. Others might think Cade could do even better because he'll be playing alongside RJ. But he played alongside several decent 3-pt shooters at Belmont, and we don't have Ingram and Ryan any more.

That's why I think we may need another 3-point shooter. Both RJ and Cade need another threat on the floor.

Do we already have what we need...?

• Withers shot 41.7% from deep 2 years ago at Louisville. But fell to 20% on just 20 shots this year.
• Trimble improved to a sweet 41.9% from deep this year, but only took 31 shots, and never showed confidence.
• Washington wowed us with 53.3% 3-pt shooting, but on a mere 15 attempts.
• We also have a couple of hot shot freshmen, but are they 3-pt threats as frosh?

Is that good enough? Surely 1 or 2 of those guys will deliver, right? But are we confident enough of that to stay pat?

 

[NorCalTarheel]

Not unless he's 6'11, 255lbs. and jumps out of the gym.

Got any of those laying around?😂

 

[alabamaheel]

We have RJ back (39.8% on 284 attempts) and we added Cade Tyson (46.5% on 172 attempts), but we lost Harrison (38.5% on 169 attempts) and Cormac (35.4% on 212 attempts)

If you strip away the creampuffs from Cade Tyson's numbers, his average drops to 39.4% or 39.8%, depending on what you call a creampuff.

My guess is that we could get 12-13 ppg from Cade on maybe 38% shooting. Reflecting that we played 17 games against top-50 teams this year while Belmont faced only 3.

Some might say my guess is optimistic. Others might think Cade could do even better because he'll be playing alongside RJ. But he played alongside several decent 3-pt shooters at Belmont, and we don't have Ingram and Ryan any more.

That's why I think we may need another 3-point shooter. Both RJ and Cade need another threat on the floor.

Do we already have what we need...?

• Withers shot 41.7% from deep 2 years ago at Louisville. But fell to 20% on just 20 shots this year.
• Trimble improved to a sweet 41.9% from deep this year, but only took 31 shots, and never showed confidence.
• Washington wowed us with 53.3% 3-pt shooting, but on a mere 15 attempts.
• We also have a couple of hot shot freshmen, but are they 3-pt threats as frosh?

Is that good enough? Surely 1 or 2 of those guys will deliver, right? But are we confident enough of that to stay pat?

What you didn’t mention is all of those guys that are coming back will be a year older, more experienced, smarter and just better all around. I think everyone could improve, with the exception of RJ and he’ll hopefully be better at decision making himself.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Not unless he's 6'11, 255lbs. and jumps out of the gym.

Got any of those laying around?😂

Are you saying you think we have enough 3-pt shooting already?

I'd like to think so. And it could turn out to be true. But I'm not confident.

If Hubert thinks we don't need a good stretch 4, with emphasis on the stretch, I'll feel better. And I had talked myself into thinking we could stop after getting Omoryi - until I looked more closely at the numbers in the OP.

I can see not going after a hot-shooting SG, or smallish SF. We don't want another Wilcher episode, after all. And even if nobody bolts, that creates a logjam. But we don't have that problem going after a good-shooting PF, imo.

 

[NorCalTarheel]

Are you saying you think we have enough 3-pt shooting already?

I'd like to think so. And it could turn out to be true. But I'm not confident.

If Hubert thinks we don't need a good stretch 4, with emphasis on the stretch, I'll feel better. And I had talked myself into thinking we could stop after getting Omoryi - until I looked more closely at the numbers in the OP.

I can see not going after a hot-shooting SG, or smallish SF. We don't want another Wilcher episode, after all. And even if nobody bolts, that creates a logjam. But we don't have that problem going after a good-shooting PF, imo.

Wwjd, I was just having fun.

I do think we could use a stretch for who can pop the three, but that by far, our biggest need is the five.

I definitely do not think we should go anywhere near another, two or three in that we have the makings of a log jam there already.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Wwjd, I was just having fun.

I do think we could use a stretch for who can pop the three, but that by far, our biggest need is the five.

I definitely do not think we should go anywhere near another, two or three in that we have the makings of a log jam there already.

Mine wasn't an either-or proposition - a big OR a shooter. We all agree we want a big.

I'm mainly thinking about after we add Omoruyi (or another big). I think we may still need more shooting, and a PF who can hit from deep might be what the doctor ordered. Even adding a true center leaves us uncertain about our front court, and lacking in proven shooting.

We might be fine. And either way it will be fun to see what Hubert does with the new team. But I'd like to reduce the gamble a little.

 

[NorCalTarheel]

Mine wasn't an either-or proposition - a big OR a shooter. We all agree we want a big.

I'm mainly thinking about after we add Omoruyi (or another big). I think we may still need more shooting, and a PF who can hit from deep might be what the doctor ordered. Even adding a true center leaves us uncertain about our front court, and lacking in proven shooting.

We might be fine. And either way it will be fun to see what Hubert does with the new team. But I'd like to reduce the gamble a little.

I guess in my scenario, adding a quality big allows Washington and Withers time at the 4. Washington has shown he can hit the three and Withers has shown it, although not as much last season.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I guess in my scenario, adding a quality big allows Washington and Withers time at the 4. Washington has shown he can hit the three and Withers has shown it, although not as much last season.

You're not wrong. But I'm thinking back to when we had 2 unproved bigs (Manley and Huffman) and many here felt that was good enough. Fortunately we also got Garrison Brooks, who was barely good enough. That year was a struggle. Not awful, but a struggle. Imagine if we had done as some wanted and saved that scholarship.

I look at our front line guys for potential shooters and think "we could be perfectly fine, but I'd like better odds."

 

[Newoikkin]

I think you are devaluing Cade a bit with the “cream puffs”.

Cormac and Harrison had plenty of wide open 3 point attempts. Cade is one of the best in the country shooting an open shot.

Ian showing he is dangerous from the 3 and EC/Seth becoming at least “must guard” from the 3 is vastly more important than adding anyone

 

[ChapelHeeled]

You're not wrong. But I'm thinking back to when we had 2 unproved bigs (Manley and Huffman) and many here felt that was good enough. Fortunately we also got Garrison Brooks, who was barely good enough. That year was a struggle. Not awful, but a struggle. Imagine if we had done as some wanted and saved that scholarship.

I look at our front line guys for potential shooters and think "we could be perfectly fine, but I'd like better odds."

I think back too...
Doubt casting is not working well in most areas...🏀

 

[ChapelHeeled]

I think back too...
Doubt casting is not working well in most areas...🏀

Just to say that UNC Basketball is in very, very good shape at this time...🏀

 

[tarheelguy124]

Just to say that UNC Basketball is in very, very good shape at this time...🏀

We need a stephen curry type shooter right now!

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Our current team only needs 1 thing....

Time to work together and figure out how to complement each other!

Dadgum, these are GDTBATH!

 

[DaSheed]

Not sure when this was taken, but if Cadeau can start knocking down 3’s… Fuhgeddaboudit!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Not sure when this was taken, but if Cadeau can start knocking down 3’s… Fuhgeddaboudit!

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Is that considered good form?

 

[alabamaheel]

Is that considered good form?

Not being smart but idc what it looks like as long as it goes in. You hear they look great in practice but……. I believe he’ll make a considerable jump in shooting this next year.🤞

 

[NathanFielder]

Not sure when this was taken, but if Cadeau can start knocking down 3’s… Fuhgeddaboudit!

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His feet and body are always pointed to the left of the basket when he shoots. This isn’t the end of the world. Kevin Durant shoots like that too. While no player is really perfectly square to the basket because everyone’s shooting arm has some angle in its bend, I think Cadeau aims a lot left.

He doesn’t have the quickest shot. He pauses as he gathers but I’m guessing he’s never going to need a quick trigger unless he becomes a really good shooter.

That’s at least what I see. But it will be about the results.

 

[tarheels0015]

Not sure when this was taken, but if Cadeau can start knocking down 3’s… Fuhgeddaboudit!

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Looks great .. probably shooting against same D he will face next season till he really becomes a 3 ball threat . Go Heels

 

[ChapelHeeled]

Looks great .. probably shooting against same D he will face next season till he really becomes a 3 ball threat . Go Heels

3-Ball shooters next up will be multiple by the fall. We will have the best front line in the ACC if we stay healthy. Also will have 4-5 guys at the 1-3 positions that can all ball 🏀. If everyone gives into the system then UNC will be very, very hard to beat...🏀

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Yup. His form is not text book, but look at the follow through. It is perfect and always online! His feet and body should be square, but as long as it goes in and is replicable, I'm fine! It could be quicker too!

All we really need is for it to look natural (no hesitation or hitches)and for him to hit a few, he never has to be a dead-eye!

 

[ChapelHeeled]

Yup. His form is not text book, but look at the follow through. It is perfect and always online! His feet and body should be square, but as long as it goes in and is replicable, I'm fine! It could be quicker too!

All we really need is for it to look natural (no hesitation or hitches)and for him to hit a few, he never has to be a dead-eye!

His release in that video is near flawless. He has some work to do this summer but all things considered he looks really good at this time...🏀

 

[majic919]

He just has to be respectable from outside as long as defenders have to guard him there he should be able to get pass most defenders and make a play for either himself or others

 

[DSouthr]

Is that considered good form?

No, it isn't... In that clip, did he take any jump shots? I mean, I could not see his feet but if his feet left the floor you may not have been able to slide a piece of paper between the floor and his shoes. It is in the name, JUMP shot, in games you take JUMP shots, practice like you play because you play like you practice.

The catch stop, load up, and then fire deal I hope is not being taught to him by our staff, be nice to see him have his feet squared rather than side saddle. I do like the follow thru.

 

[UNCPJH81]

Yeah, but the ball goes out of view and comes back in in that video. That’s the oldest trick in the book. 😂

 

[alabamaheel]

Yeah, but the ball goes out of view and comes back in in that video. That’s the oldest trick in the book. 😂

I hate to admit it but that’s the first thing I thought lol

 

[alabamaheel]

No, it isn't... In that clip, did he take any jump shots? I mean, I could not see his feet but if his feet left the floor you may not have been able to slide a piece of paper between the floor and his shoes. It is in the name, JUMP shot, in games you take JUMP shots, practice like you play because you play like you practice.

The catch stop, load up, and then fire deal I hope is not being taught to him by our staff, be nice to see him have his feet squared rather than side saddle. I do like the follow thru.

Dav I don’t care if he catches it, smokes a cigarette, gathers , and never jumps when he shoots. Last year he had enough time to do it all. As long as it goes in he’ll be muuuuuuch better. Been plenty of guy make a living not getting off the floor much.

 

[DSouthr]

Dav I don’t care if he catches it, smokes a cigarette, gathers , and never jumps when he shoots. Last year he had enough time to do it all. As long as it goes in he’ll be muuuuuuch better. Been plenty of guy make a living not getting off the floor much.

But bama, the problem with that is there are lot of guys that make them in practice but in games they clank off. The ball just goes in more often when shots with solid fundamentals that are honed in by solid practice. Why practice a "jump shot" a thousand times in practice and do it differently in a game?

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I agree that it isn't textbook form, but I think it more important that he establish a rhythm AND see the ball going through the hoop right now. I would feel we have time to tweak a few things and speed up the release once we get his mind right! He will need more lift and he will need to shorten his windup, but I am far less concerned by the offset feet. His eyes and release are perfect and on point.

 

[alabamaheel]

But bama, the problem with that is there are lot of guys that make them in practice but in games they clank off. The ball just goes in more often when shots with solid fundamentals that are honed in by solid practice. Why practice a "jump shot" a thousand times in practice and do it differently in a game?

Who said he has to do it diff in a game? That’s my point. Oh and I agree another practice part. I hate that excuse with a passion. Heard it a million times “he hits them in practice”. Show me game time

 

[KeeLo]

I'll be more impressed if the time between shots is cut in half; more in-game-like simulation

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I think we all agree that it is awesome he is putting in the work!