Do you think Jackson & Berry will come back next season.
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Go ahead and say goodbye to Justin. He wanted to go last year, and now he's answered all the scouts' questions quite well, and is likely a mid-late 1st rounder.
Berry's course may well be charted as we go. He projects down into the 2nd round as of now, but that could change with another big March. The good news for us is that it may actually be a wise business decision for him to return given the OAD PGs (+ an OAD combo) in a PG-heavy draft... plus PGs don't seem to get tainted as much as bigger kids by sticking around. He has not advertised his intentions but the one (indirect in this case) source I have doesn't think JB will go as of now. Obviously I hope that proves to be correct.
I agree. JJ is gone. I don't think the feedback Berry will gets will be enticing enough for him to jump. All this goes out the window if we win it all of course.
Selfishly, back when there was talk of Jalek reclassifying I was salivating at the idea of JB and Jalek running together for a couple of seasons. Obviously that didn't happen, but I would happily take one season
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Jackson = gone
Berry is 50/50 imo. His stock won't get any higher by coming back but he may enjoy college. I'm sure he understands he's probably not gonna win a title with next year's team and his stock is likely topped out as a second round pick. All depends on if he wants to get his degree next year.
Berry is 50/50 imo. His stock won't get any higher by coming back but he may enjoy college. I'm sure he understands he's probably not gonna win a title with next year's team and his stock is likely topped out as a second round pick. All depends on if he wants to get his degree next year.
I don't think it's a foregone conclusion by any means.that he's maxed out as a sesond rounder.
That's my feeling, too.
Earlier in the season it seemed more plausible that Berry might leave. If he finishes the season on a tear, that might still happen. But not if he levels off where he's been recently.
I think Justin has done what he needed to do and there's every reason to think he'll continue to do so for the rest of the season. The only reason he comes back is if he wants to or if it doesn't look like he'll go in the first round. But he should go in the first round.
6'0 Berry
6'2 Seventh
6'2 Jalek
6'4 Kenny
6'4 Andrew
6'5 Brandon
6'6 Theo
6'6 Shea
6'8 Luke
6'10 Sterling
6'11 Tony
6'9 Huff
Am I forgetting anyone?
6'2 Seventh
6'2 Jalek
6'4 Kenny
6'4 Andrew
6'5 Brandon
6'6 Theo
6'6 Shea
6'8 Luke
6'10 Sterling
6'11 Tony
6'9 Huff
Am I forgetting anyone?
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We should thank Justin for his 3 years and wish him the best. Love the improvement and hard work he's put in this year.
6'8" Knox.
Yeah, I think everyone knows Jackson is gone. I don't know about Berry. It depends on his mindset. I don't think he can ever play himself into a first round pick (would love to be wrong though) so it just depends on what he wants if that is the case. If the NBA people tell him otherwise then that would impact his decision as well. It would be great for us if Berry comes back but if he goes more power to him. I never blame a kid for wanting to make his money. He has been great here and I'll pull for him wherever he ends up.
I love JB and know I'm going to catch it from some but JB is a short, spot-up 3pt shooting guard that has trouble getting to the rim vs. bigger athletic guards and is not a great passer. There is a lot he can improve on as a senior.
JJ is having a great year and should go if he's a 1st rounder.
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JJ is having a great year and should go if he's a 1st rounder.
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During this past off season, as most recall, I argued that both IMO were looking to leave after this season but the case was not closed for either. I put the odds at 55-45 % Joel would be back and Justin at 70-30% he would leave after this season. I do think Joel may have pushed his odds to 50-50 around the time we were playing the likes of Okey st and Whisky but since those odds have settled down and reality has set in. I see the odds at this point that Justin will go at near 100%, certainly greater than 90 and with Joel around 75% that he comes back, maybe trending more in favor of his coming back to greater than 75%. The reasons I said this in the off season remain and no need for me to list them again.
But hey, I will support the kid no matter what he decides and even if he (Joel) does decide to enter the draft, I do think it is a better decision than JMM or JP made. Just my honest opinion...I felt both those kids needed another season to become better players, I don't know that Joel will become a better player with another year but the circumstances would maybe be more favorable for him to hold off and play for us next season. Clearly as a fan of UNC I would love him back, as a fan of the kid I will support him either way! Oh, and I totally support Justin no matter what he decides as well but I fully expect him to be drafted in the next draft and I hope he goes to a team that gives him a real shot to play and wish him nothing but the best! Justin Jackson is class all the way !
But hey, I will support the kid no matter what he decides and even if he (Joel) does decide to enter the draft, I do think it is a better decision than JMM or JP made. Just my honest opinion...I felt both those kids needed another season to become better players, I don't know that Joel will become a better player with another year but the circumstances would maybe be more favorable for him to hold off and play for us next season. Clearly as a fan of UNC I would love him back, as a fan of the kid I will support him either way! Oh, and I totally support Justin no matter what he decides as well but I fully expect him to be drafted in the next draft and I hope he goes to a team that gives him a real shot to play and wish him nothing but the best! Justin Jackson is class all the way !
I understand the point about next year's team not being as good as this, but let's not kid ourselves that it makes any difference at all to the NBA how good your team was. If JB was a pass first (and second) type PG like Marshall that might matter, but with his style he'd probably just have better numbers.
I think the question is how much of that Berry can actually improve upon in his senior year. Especially if his senior year sees him struggling with a weaker front court and competing for time with guys like Jalek and Seventh.
We know Roy will give JB the nod over Jalek and Seventh for the start, but we can also predict that his minutes will shrink as Roy tries to work Jalek and 7th into the rotation to prepare them for the following year.
If we should luck out and land Knox, that creates even more PT pressure, because there will be less room for Jalek and 7th to get PT on the wings.
Now of course it could turn out that our front line is better next year. JB (and everyone else) seems to have trouble getting the ball inside to our low-elevation Kennedy and our oddly-underutilized Isaiah. If Sterling or Huff should suddenly blossom, we could be enough taller and bouncier that getting the ball inside might not be hard after all. In which case, JB might look better as a senior.
The height/wingspan and athleticism should at least play huge dividends on the defensive side. Bradley, Huffman and Manley have the potential to make it extremely difficult for the opposing team to score inside.
- TP - maybe when you factor in D, but right now we have Theo and JJ. This is why Knox is important.
- TB - he won't be better than KM and IH combined. Plus Manley and Huffman will have to make up for the TB shortfall of (KM+IH) and replace Tony's #'s.
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Assuming Justin leaves and we don't get Knox, what does our small-ball team look like next season? Will that be a viable option for us?
It will be a more frequent option. Huffman is a project with a lotta upside but a ways to go skill-wise, and Manley is skilled but not completely recovered from a catastrophic leg break. They both will help and play as frosh, but Tony and Luke will be eons ahead of them.
And even with Knox, he sees himself as a big Wing, so even if he comes and starts, he will play a hybrid/stretch role tantamount to small-ball. And honestly, that fits Luke's skill-set as well, so I imagine no matter what happens we'll see Roy edge away more from the traditional 2-Big sets.
I don't know how I feel about that statement. Theo is already a more well rounded player. But he'll never be the scorer that JJ is. Never. And I don't think JJ gets enough credit for his defense. He's not on Theo's level but he's better than average. I love Theo and I think he can be an All-ACC performer next year. But he'll be an ALL-ACC performer as a 10-12 ppg scorer. I could see Theo get a triple double or two next year if he's playing 30 mpg.
As to the OP, Jackson is gone and Berry is back. That's my prediction. No, Berry doesn't become more draftable with another year. He is what he is. He knows that. He's going to be a 2nd rounder this year or next. So why not come back and try to make a legacy in college - kind of like Marcus did. Marcus is a legendary Heel and most likely, he'll never get a long term contract in the NBA. But he'll always be remembered in Chapel Hill. I think that's the best Berry can hope for.
Agree with most of the board. JJ gone ( and should be - a great Heel) and JB stays.
First time in many years I feel comfortable with two of our guys shooting 3's any time. That will be missed.
As was said earlier, Williams could develop into that guy. I think he will for sure by his Senior year but hope he improves over the summer like JJ did before his Junior year.
First time in many years I feel comfortable with two of our guys shooting 3's any time. That will be missed.
As was said earlier, Williams could develop into that guy. I think he will for sure by his Senior year but hope he improves over the summer like JJ did before his Junior year.
I think Joel does suffer from a perception that he may not have as much upside potential from where he is now thou I would suggest he could show more if he were to come back. He has had some off games, that does not help his cause, his assist numbers are not great and that is an area that would not hurt him to come back and improve.
But it is much more about the next draft being a pretty special one for PGs than anything else and there being a list of 6-8 guys that the NBA will draft as PGs that will go before Joel is picked. The draft after is not considered to be nearly as deep at the position as the next one is considered.
Yeah, Theo is going to be really good next year and do a lot for us but JJ is also really good. Theo is certainly more well rounded but you need to score points and Jackson does that well.
I think people underestimate Meeks. Bradley is going to have to really step up to be as good as Kennedy. I'm really hoping these guys can turn it on and win it this year. I think next year could be fun to watch but also a real struggle on the court, especially against better teams. I would be floored if we were even close to as good as we are this year, which is ok. It will fun to see some guys play with more minutes.
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