Draymond on Tyler
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fighting for player compensation: good
comparing ncaa (or nba) to slavery: idiotic
making this about race: idiotic
fighting for compensation for a player who beat you in the ‘chip: much respect
comparing ncaa (or nba) to slavery: idiotic
making this about race: idiotic
fighting for compensation for a player who beat you in the ‘chip: much respect
Hardly free if you count the money that Hansbrough made for UNC.
That's Green's point.
I’d say it’s fair to think that comparing playing college basketball on scholarship, and getting a free education while doing so, to slavery is a tad ridiculous.
Reread Green's actual words. He seems to be talking about the rule taking 100% of the earnings.
Some think that the players make a fair deal with the schools. In which case they aren't entitled to a share of the money they bring in. But sentiment is changing on that. If you do believe that players are entitled to a share, then not getting that share means they are paying more for their education than other folks.
One compromise that might work is to have the first proceeds of their share go to pay the cost of tuition and such. That's not unreasonable.
The hard part, of course, is deciding how to calculate the share. But that's a question for another day. First you have to decide if there should be any sharing.
It has now become common practice that when anyone wants to make a point they don't want questioned they throw out the word racist and many immediately back off as they are scared the PC world will blow up if they respond. But thankfully, some are starting to call BS on all of this.
LMAO at calling him a racist for pointing out the patently ridiculous. If there is anything like slavery involved here, you can start calling me Toby any time. Incredible how far from reality we can drift in our spoiled little brainwashed worlds.
The simple fact is that the NCAA has become an organization, acting on behalf of the universities that it represents, whose main objective is maintaining the sham called the student-athlete. THAT is what needs to be exposed; but in the meantime these athletes are being compensated and simultaneously being given the OPPORTUNITY to turn the experience into something even more beneficial. Slavery my rosy red ass.
The word, "slavery" is the least important word in the entire article! I wish he hadn't used it because peeps always react very strongly to it and then are blinded to the actual issue! The issue is, is it fair that Hans made millions for the university in many ways and this is not balanced out by tuition, room and board.
Putting a % of things like jersey/item sales, likeness usage, and ticket sales in a trust that the student could access at a predetermined time after leaving the U, might handle this. Add this to the real cost of attendance that is already in place and we might have a compromise that works for all.
Family can disagree without being disagreeable!
Putting a % of things like jersey/item sales, likeness usage, and ticket sales in a trust that the student could access at a predetermined time after leaving the U, might handle this. Add this to the real cost of attendance that is already in place and we might have a compromise that works for all.
Family can disagree without being disagreeable!
So I accepted a job with a company for a certain salary. I do not get a share of the money the company brings in. I can quit at any time.. am I a slave?
only if you choose to go into work with a makeshift rope around your neck holding a subway sandwich. 😂
I'm using your good post to elaborate on mine. The NCAA exists at this point mainly to maintain the charade of the amateur student-athlete. It's a house of cards whose time is limited. Athletes in the marquee sports are recruited to play a sport and are compensated with the chance to earn a degree, with room and board provided. They are thusly being compensated to perform for their colleges, so they are not by definition amateurs; and making them students doesn't change that.
The colleges can afford to be more 'fair', but that isn't the problem to begin with. The problem is keeping the house of cards propped up. There have already been attempts to quash the notion of college sports amateurism, and only the disingenuousness of our lawmakers and the courts have kept the hypocrisy going for the time being. No one wants to see this gigantic applecart that we love toppled over; but the least little thing heaped on that can not be disguised as amateurism, and it all goes up in flames. What these people are asking for and what you're suggesting are those things that can bring the house down, and that's why there's all the resistance.
Lots of well-thought-out posts in this thread. I sort of wince when I see the word "reparations" in this sort of article, because it comes from "repair" - or to fix / make whole something that broke in the past.
So are we talking about going back and paying past players? How far back? and across all men's and women's sports? or only in those select few that net any positive money for the colleges and the NCAA (basically men's football and basketball: 95% of all college sports revenues I'm guessing).
Or do select players just get paid, going forward? and how do you determine who gets paid how much? Do Blue Steel guys get paid as much as Dayron Sharpe during a given season? How do you set the pay scale? Do Duke, UNC, UK, KU players get paid more than mid-major directional college kids?
I believe the NCAA and student / athlete concept is a sham / house of cards as others stated above. I do believe the players have a point in getting paid some more for revenue they generate. I just think it becomes difficult to define an equitable system across players and colleges, one that doesn't lead to all other sorts of recruiting violations and hijinx (cash under the table).
So are we talking about going back and paying past players? How far back? and across all men's and women's sports? or only in those select few that net any positive money for the colleges and the NCAA (basically men's football and basketball: 95% of all college sports revenues I'm guessing).
Or do select players just get paid, going forward? and how do you determine who gets paid how much? Do Blue Steel guys get paid as much as Dayron Sharpe during a given season? How do you set the pay scale? Do Duke, UNC, UK, KU players get paid more than mid-major directional college kids?
I believe the NCAA and student / athlete concept is a sham / house of cards as others stated above. I do believe the players have a point in getting paid some more for revenue they generate. I just think it becomes difficult to define an equitable system across players and colleges, one that doesn't lead to all other sorts of recruiting violations and hijinx (cash under the table).
Assume you are advocating then that they no longer get their education paid for if they start getting paid themselves, correct?
I'll stick with my earlier suggestion. IF it is decided that players should share some of the income, then a portion of their earnings could go to pay for their education.
Seems fair to me, but I'm open to other suggestions.
I wonder what draymond thinks of title nine. If schools have to revenue share with athletes they would not be able to afford paying for all the sports that lose money
If college and pro sports were operated in more-or-less free market conditions, this would be a good point. But sports have anti-trust exemptions and exercise control over players in ways that aren't allowed in most employment circumstances.
Awesome point. This is true even for the major, big time P5 schools bringing in loads of money via men's football and basketball. But even at U of Minnesota they had to get rid of a pretty mainstream sport: men's track - because the athletic department overall couldn't fund/justify it. This came as part of reduced football and basketball revenues due to COVID lockdowns and lost fan attendance revenues.
But if it is borderline for whether certain men's sports can continue at a P5 school, even before kids are getting paid...
how many secondary sports programs (men's and especially women's) are on the chopping block - especially at smaller non-P5 programs, if you now need to pay all of the athletes?
How many college athletes are forced to play college sports? Last i heard every single basketball player, every single football player, every single athlete makes their own decision, for their own reasons to play the sport of their choice where they want to play that sport. You a basketball player and want to be paid to play, there are PLENTY of avenues for that. Players chose to play the college game because it is in their opinion the best pathway to what they want.
Had it not been for college basketball, what would Draymon Green be doing right now, would he be a multi-millionaire, very doubtful. BECAUSE he USED the college game to make millions by his logic he should pay the school he played for reparations...
Had it not been for college basketball, what would Draymon Green be doing right now, would he be a multi-millionaire, very doubtful. BECAUSE he USED the college game to make millions by his logic he should pay the school he played for reparations...
Point being, they opted to be there. Many are using it to showcase their talents for the NBA or some sort of professional play. If they are good enough to earn these supposed millions for the university, then they should be good enough to earn millions for themselves as well. A free 4 year ride a unc or dook with all thr athletic and academic trimmings isnt cheap. And Tbro comes back to work with the younger kids. Doesnt seem like a slave would want to come back to the plantation for more optional slavery to the master, now would it? Green used a racial trigger. He knows what he was doing
I wonder what Jesus would do when someone gave their opinion?
the irony is that the harder they try to prop up the house of cards, the more under-the-table the dealings have to be. I mean, when you're down to gigging an athlete for sleeping on an ex-player's (and thuswise a friend's) sofa and getting a free ride from the airport...
They are creating the very situation they are trying to control by forcing square pegs into round holes.
I repeat, forget the regrettable trigger words and focus on the issue! This will allow those who are undercover racists and those who think every slight has to do with race to both actually think about the problem.
We either live in a capitalist, free-market system or we don't.
Athletes should be able to profit from their likeness and get a % of what the schools make on them. I have no problem with using some of that to pay school attendance fees. I have no problem with allowing them to legally sign with agents and have the agents pay their way. I have no problem with putting the proceeds in a trust that the athlete can't touch until a specified time after leaving the U. I also love the "real cost of attendance stipend". Some form/combo of these ideas will solve the equity issue as well because an athlete's ability to earn is dependent on his/her circumstance just like in the real world and the U does not have to foot the bill any more than usual!
We either live in a capitalist, free-market system or we don't.
Athletes should be able to profit from their likeness and get a % of what the schools make on them. I have no problem with using some of that to pay school attendance fees. I have no problem with allowing them to legally sign with agents and have the agents pay their way. I have no problem with putting the proceeds in a trust that the athlete can't touch until a specified time after leaving the U. I also love the "real cost of attendance stipend". Some form/combo of these ideas will solve the equity issue as well because an athlete's ability to earn is dependent on his/her circumstance just like in the real world and the U does not have to foot the bill any more than usual!
Are you aware that some companies have restrictions on what people can do to earn money on their time away from the company. Just because we live in a capitalist, free market system does not mean everyone do whatever you want any time you want.
Not even close to what I have said!
The key words are "capitalist market", not free! The free refers to the ability of the market to fluctuate without unfair, unnecessary, or artificial pressures! "Free" markets aren't unregulated, they are regulated consistently and fairly! Therefore, college bball needs to "free" itself from the unfair, unnecessary, artificial restrictions that have forced peeps into the hands of unscrupulous handlers! Let the market determine worth and pay schollies on a sliding scale depending on the earnings of the player in question. If you are in a sport or a participant with limited potential for earnings, you would receive a traditional scholly with no additional revenues (other than cost of attendance). If you were Hans, you would get a free ride + a trust to access after leaving the U! The monies would come from whatever outside source pays for use of your likeness and would be shared with the U.
The key words are "capitalist market", not free! The free refers to the ability of the market to fluctuate without unfair, unnecessary, or artificial pressures! "Free" markets aren't unregulated, they are regulated consistently and fairly! Therefore, college bball needs to "free" itself from the unfair, unnecessary, artificial restrictions that have forced peeps into the hands of unscrupulous handlers! Let the market determine worth and pay schollies on a sliding scale depending on the earnings of the player in question. If you are in a sport or a participant with limited potential for earnings, you would receive a traditional scholly with no additional revenues (other than cost of attendance). If you were Hans, you would get a free ride + a trust to access after leaving the U! The monies would come from whatever outside source pays for use of your likeness and would be shared with the U.
Yeah, but we aren't talking about earning money by moonlighting with Duke. We're talking about earning money from work with us.
having paid for two college educations (three counting my own) i can assure you that a scholarship covering tuition, fees, books, tutoring, room, meals, medical care, etc. is VERY substantial compensation. millions of families work for years to pay off this great burden. yes, the athletes work for their extremely valuable scholarships, but the work they do is playing a game they love which they would undoubtedly play for long hours on their own as so many young people do. another fact that is routinely ignored is that ALL scholarship players, including the injured or poorly performing, get these valuable resources, not just the stars who win games. when a kid gets a scholarship offer the family CELEBRATES because they are getting a great deal and their kid is getting a wonderful opportunity to make connections and learn life skills for success. they're not celebrating their kid's entry into slavery.
Nope. Again the U would get a % of what they made selling tix, jerseys, and other swag with the player's likeness. BTW: UNC was still selling Hans jerseys the last time I checked in the bookstore! The U could also get money if the player was required to pay for part or all of his fees. The U would also get 100% of the increased attendance and cachet of winning programs. It has been proven that Bluebloods in either bball or football get a bump in national and international prestige. This leads to increased attendance, grant money, and donations!
