Duke's Recruiting

[What Would Jesus Do?]

While I'm sure we all expect K to end up with one of the top recruiting classes when the dust settles, I just glanced at their offer list and predictions over at 247. Things are slipping.

The last time I looked, they were at or near 100% on 4 or 5 players and in the lead on a couple more. Since then they've dropped out of the lead on ALL of their PG offers. Bamba is now leaning to UK. And they are only ahead on Carter, Knox and Trent.

Now obviously a class with Carter, Knox and Trent would be pretty great. But since they were looking like they would get 5 guys of that caliber just a month or 2 ago, I wonder if there's something going on?

 

[mikeirbyusa]

 

[heelmanwilm]

Duke? Never heard of her.

 

[topps coach]

Imo we are still in good shape for next years class.As far as Bamba goes it will depend on if Bolden is an OAD to determine if we will still be in that race.If he is an OAD it will be a dog fight for his services

 

[Calabrias Inferno]

Now that Coach K is no longer the head coach of USA, Dook's recruiting is starting to slip. Just as I suspected.

 

[dadika13]

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Now that Coach K is no longer the head coach of USA, Dook's recruiting is starting to slip. Just as I suspected.

wishful thinking...carter/trent....coleman.......maybe knox and bamba w/ O'connell...all is well so far with next years class thus far

 

[Calabrias Inferno]

wishful thinking...carter/trent....coleman.......maybe knox and bamba w/ O'connell...all is well so far with next years class thus far

My post was seasoned with sarcasm. The thought that K suddenly got recruits just because he was the HC for team USA was reaching. Did it help a little bit? Sure, and who can blame him for taking advantage of the situation. Anyone would. But methinks Capel coming on board has a lot more to do with Dook's recruiting success than K leading team USA.

 

[Tom79]

wishful thinking...carter/trent....coleman.......maybe knox and bamba w/ O'connell...all is well so far with next years class thus far

I have an interesting feeling on all those kids, all of them will not all be at dook.

 

[Coach325]

IMO, Quade Green is the one that hurts. After the Peach Jam, I was hearing that he was pretty much wrapped up for Duke. Then, as the summer progressed we started slipping with him. He got pressure from family/friends to stay up North and he really likes Syracuse (where he will likely end up). The PG position in this class has been hard to peg for Duke. The staff has offered several PG's which we are no longer recruiting for various reasons. (Troy Brown, Tremont Waters, Trae Young, Quade Green) Now we have another offer out to Matt Coleman. I like Coleman, but it almost seems like a desperation move by the staff just to have SOMEBODY at point guard.

Ultimately, I still think Duke gets Carter and Trent. I think we are strong for Coleman and Knox. Bamba and Knox will go into the spring (if I had to guess) and depending on whether we get 1 or 2 of those guys determines how good are class really finishes.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

My post was seasoned with sarcasm. The thought that K suddenly got recruits just because he was the HC for team USA was reaching. Did it help a little bit? Sure, and who can blame him for taking advantage of the situation. Anyone would. But methinks Capel coming on board has a lot more to do with Dook's recruiting success than K leading team USA.

my post wasnt a "shot".....and yeah, i think capel has payed major dividends

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

I have an interesting feeling on all those kids, all of them will not all be at dook.

agree

 

[Bur-Heel]

capel has payed major dividends

"payed major dividends"..remember you said it..even though you spelled "paid" wrong

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

"payed major dividends"..remember you said it..even though you spelled "paid" wrong

hahahah...i highly doubt capel is doing anything "wrong"...duke as too much at stake

 

[dadika13]

hahahah...i highly doubt capel is doing anything "wrong"...duke as too much at stake

And Cal, Self, and Sean Miller don't??

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

idk anything about those guys dealings and whether they care about tarnishing legacies and universities.......has anything been proven with those guys?

 

[gary-7]

Duke? Never heard of her.

For real... I think WWJD has a spelling issue

 

[gary-7]

My post was seasoned with sarcasm. The thought that K suddenly got recruits just because he was the HC for team USA was reaching. Did it help a little bit? Sure, and who can blame him for taking advantage of the situation. Anyone would. But methinks Capel coming on board has a lot more to do with Dook's recruiting success than K leading team USA.

Make no mistake: USA Basketball was huge for him. Capel has a lot broader pool to work with.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

In other news, Balsa Koprivica to visit Kentucky and FSU.

Obviously a real lightweight.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Make no mistake: USA Basketball was huge for him. Capel has a lot broader pool to work with.

of course it helps, but what about Boheim who was there for the whole ride....and what about the college coaches that actually coached the usa under teams (they really worked with the kids).....recruiting pre-olympic gig and after isn't glaringly different... k has always secured top talent....top talent now is just more of the OAD variety

 

[gary-7]

of course it helps, but what about Boheim who was there for the whole ride....and what about the college coaches that actually coached the usa under teams (they really worked with the kids).....recruiting pre-olympic gig and after isn't glaringly different... k has always secured top talent....top talent now is just more of the OAD variety

Different ballgame. Sure, the coaches who get a stint with one of teams get a temporary advantage --- I'm sure it didn't hurt Shaka this summer. BUT, K has been made, and goes out of his way to be made, the consistent face (yikes!) of USA Basketball, including those damned commercials. His position not only gets him access to kids he couldn't touch before, his stature as continual Olympic coach gave him NBA cred with these kids.

Dean Smith correctly stated that no coach should do the Olympics more than once. That was one of the reasons --- an unfair advantage. If K had done it once like Dean and moved on? Fine. Temporary boost. Part of the deal. But to be made the honcho and continue coaching the Olympics??? F*** that. And BTW: It's a bigger advantage TODAY than it was in 1976 because now K reigns over an entire development program from younger age groups on up. The US had nothing like that back in the day.

In all seriousness, and I'm not trying to be confrontational but I'm gonna put it straight and blunt:
To try to argue that USA Basketball hasn't been a HUGE and frankly unfair advantage for K is just plain silly --- it flunks every test from face value to the practical, and honestly the NCAA should have stepped in to prohibit an active college coach from having a continual presence a long time ago.

 

[dadika13]

Especially when Knox asked Coach K to tell him a story and K went to a story about Kobe Bryant on team USA, not one of his own Duke players. It's almost like the actual school comes 2nd fiddle when K and Cal recruit. NBA comes first.

 

[HeelFan58]

In other news, Balsa Koprivica to visit Kentucky and FSU.

Obviously a real lightweight.

sounds like a chick's shampoo that was recommended by my wife's hairdresser and then she buys it even though there are 3 quart sized bottles of others that were previously recommended already in the shower.. How's that for off topic?

 

[Sk1310]

Especially when Knox asked Coach K to tell him a story and K went to a story about Kobe Bryant on team USA, not one of his own Duke players. It's almost like the actual school comes 2nd fiddle when K and Cal recruit. NBA comes first.

Boom. Exactly. Clear example of using it as an advantage.

 

[Sk1310]

sounds like a chick's shampoo that was recommended by my wife's hairdresser and then she buys it even though there are 3 quart sized bottles of others that were previously recommended already in the shower.. How's that for off topic?

Lol!

 

[dukephysics]

K coaching the olympic team was absolutely an advantage. But don't all coaches try to position themselves to hold as many recruiting advantages as possible? And wasn't the problem with Team USA at the time consistency?

 

[gary-7]

K coaching the olympic team was absolutely an advantage. But don't all coaches try to position themselves to hold as many recruiting advantages as possible? And wasn't the problem with Team USA at the time consistency?

OH. COME. ON.
Wait, are you on K's PR team?

Seriously, yes they do try and position themselves (although some have enough integrity to recognize the unfair advantage and step aside after one Olympics, like um, Dean Smith). And THAT's where the NCAA should step in an prohibit continuing unfair advantages. You just made my point.

 

[Calabrias Inferno]

Make no mistake: USA Basketball was huge for him. Capel has a lot broader pool to work with.

It took K 8 years to haul in two top-10 recruits in the same class? Suddenly he's done it twice in the last 3 years? Strange.

 

[Ozheelfan]

Anyone else not give a crap about Dook recruiting?

 

[dadika13]

It took K 8 years to haul in two top-10 recruits in the same class? Suddenly he's done it twice in the last 3 years? Strange.

Can't argue with that.

 

[RoseHeel]

Haven't read much of these posts, as Dook threads tend to get out of hand. Regardless, my 2 cents:

Needless to say, Dook has killed the recruiting trail recently. I don't know how the hell Dook did what @Calabrias Inferno mentioned, but I don't necessarily buy that Capel is the reason.

Somehow we must have ended up in an alternate universe, because Dook is "cool" according to recruits. Similar to UK in some regards. Drake even recently hopped on their bandwagon for his team of the week while posing with their 2016 class. Probably his 4th favorite college basketball team now.

Either way, they've essentially done what we did between 2003-2009, which was get to almost land whomever they want and pulled in 2 Titles in a span of 5 years. So hopefully they'll have their 3 back-to-back 10 loss seasons with a scandal soon lol.

 

[Calabrias Inferno]

Dook's last great recruiter was Quinn Snyder - he led the charge in their 97 and 99 monster classes. But he was someone who didn't exactly run a clean program at Missouri...

I can't say definitively how impactful Capel has been in recruiting, but everything I've read seems to indicate that he's usually called upon to reel-in the big-time recruits. I gotta think there's a little bit of Calipari in him... which hopefully means he gets Dook placed on probation in the near future.

 

[mikeirbyusa]

And just for the record..........................

I STILL hate Duke and UK threads!

 

[Sk1310]

Dook's last great recruiter was Quinn Snyder - he led the charge in their 97 and 99 monster classes. But he was someone who didn't exactly run a clean program at Missouri...

I can't say definitively how impactful Capel has been in recruiting, but everything I've read seems to indicate that he's usually called upon to reel-in the big-time recruits. I gotta think there's a little bit of Calipari in him... which hopefully means he gets Dook placed on probation in the near future.

Yup. Just like violations were found at Oklahoma when he was HC. Unethical conduct by the HC, extra benefits, preferential treatment and ineligible participation.

 

[DSouthr]

I am gonna have to take a shower after this one but the dukies do have a point, is it not what a coach is supposed to do? If there is the ability to take advantage of a situation that gives your program an advantage and the NCAA is fine with it then for me it is hard to say that coach should not exploit it for all he can. I don't like that K was allowed to be our USA coach for so long, I agree it was a big advantage, I agree he has milked it for every ounce of advantage he could. But for me it is hard to blame K for taking an advantage that was given him on a silver platter, most coaches would.

If the NCAA ruled tomorrow that because of all the BS they put us thru that UNC would be granted an additional scholarship each tear for the next 5yrs wouldn't you guys want Roy to take advantage of that? Rivals would scream that ain't fair, would you care or would you be tickled that your team got a big boost and smile ear to ear?

My rub with all of this is I do not like college coaches coaching international teams, either our teams or for some other country. It was great that Dean took an ethical stance on this and refused to coach more than the one team but things are much different now than they were back then. While I hate that K was allowed to milk this advantage I do find it hard to blame him for taking advantage of a situation that was and is ripe for the taking and that gave him an advantage in securing some big time recruits for his program.

 

[topps coach]

I am gonna have to take a shower after this one but the dukies do have a point, is it not what a coach is supposed to do? If there is the ability to take advantage of a situation that gives your program an advantage and the NCAA is fine with it then for me it is hard to say that coach should not exploit it for all he can. I don't like that K was allowed to be our USA coach for so long, I agree it was a big advantage, I agree he has milked it for every ounce of advantage he could. But for me it is hard to blame K for taking an advantage that was given him on a silver platter, most coaches would.

If the NCAA ruled tomorrow that because of all the BS they put us thru that UNC would be granted an additional scholarship each tear for the next 5yrs wouldn't you guys want Roy to take advantage of that? Rivals would scream that ain't fair, would you care or would you be tickled that your team got a big boost and smile ear to ear?

My rub with all of this is I do not like college coaches coaching international teams, either our teams or for some other country. It was great that Dean took an ethical stance on this and refused to coach more than the one team but things are much different now than they were back then. While I hate that K was allowed to milk this advantage I do find it hard to blame him for taking advantage of a situation that was and is ripe for the taking and that gave him an advantage in securing some big time recruits for his program.[/QUOTE it is about time you took a shower especially since I have to come by today.call me if u want a biscuit

 

[dadika13]

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

OH. COME. ON.
Wait, are you on K's PR team?

Seriously, yes they do try and position themselves (although some have enough integrity to recognize the unfair advantage and step aside after one Olympics, like um, Dean Smith). And THAT's where the NCAA should step in an prohibit continuing unfair advantages. You just made my point.

I get what Dean meant back then...it wasn't a sexy gig and it took time away from the program that you were running and it was with college kids.....i think today's olympic team and experience is completely different than back then.....the primary focus of this new approach was consistency in all aspects...the coach, assistants....the core pool of talent with the select team players vying for spots when available.....so should the entire coach and coaching staff change every time for fiba and olympics.....other countries national teams dont do that.....this new appraoch revitalized usa basketball.....and i bet for however long Pop coaches everything will be consistent as with K.....when he steps aside then another new regime..........i just dont think it was colagelos plan to have k for 1 olympics, it was to get it to where it is now......mission accomplished

 

[DSouthr]

What the heck you want duke boy!

 

[Calabrias Inferno]

And in that same game...