Duke's Recruiting
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Some say it's so they can enjoy being wined and dined. But I wonder if part of it is to keep their name recognition high. It shouldn't matter but it can't hurt come draft time to have your name being discussed for years. If you sign too early, you could be yesterday's news.
Could some of this be framing a lets go to duke as a trio sell to Knox?
Why is there a dook ball thread on Tar Heel illustrated? Part of the reason I left tos is bacause of the obsession with dook.
Because OP and other fans wanted to discuss a rival team's recruiting, that could affect our team next year?
I don't understand why people think every topic on this board has to be 200% UNC.
Thank you.
I understand that some people aren't interested in discussing our competition, but I think it adds to the interest when I watch games if I know more about our foes. Plus it gives us stuff to kid about or bitch about during the off-season.
It is always useful to know what your rival is up to. I follow duke and Kentucky recruiting to get an idea of how they feel about certain recruits compared to us. Kevin Knox for example.
i get that but we have a recruiting thread for that do we not? so my question stands. I am not saying it has to be 200% unc it should be 300% this is a unc site not there are plenty of recruiting pages and a recruiting thread for this topic. we can't talk about the fack if we do the same stuff
First, this isn't even a "Dook ball thread", this is a Dook recruiting thread.
Second, This is a UNC site with a "Basketball" forum. We're have 3 offers to the same players Dook does. Ergo, this has something to do with "UNC Basketball". Just because it has Dook in the name does not mean it isn't related to UNC Basketball.
And no, we don't have a general recruiting thread, as it often turns to constant bickering.
That's all fine and well. My bad I did not know there was not a ball recruiting thread there is one for football. So I assumed there was one for basketball as well.
Here's to hoping we can land a OAD big man to compete with Carter/Bamba/whoever. I think we'll really need it for 2017. And yes, I think the UNC brand could use a OAD specifically. We've got a few more shots this cycle.
We need a OAD to repair the Urban Myth that UNC isn't a good place for them, but we do NOT need a OAD to compete with other programs!
Does anyone remember last year? Did either team have a OAD? This year we will compete and beat them again w/o one so.......
Does anyone remember last year? Did either team have a OAD? This year we will compete and beat them again w/o one so.......
So important to remember, but forgotten daily. We'll eventually get another OAD, possibly even this year. But I never want to see us adopt UK or dook's revolving door system, never.
While I don't want to go the revolving door OAD route, it's hard to not acknowledge it's worked for dook and U.K. Two titles for dook since 2010,and our head to head results have left a lot to be desired. Granted,we probably should've won at least 2 or 3 of those games, and I think most of that is on Roy if I'm remembering the games correctly.
Actually, I don't think dook had any OAD's on that '10 team, it was the definition of a team composed of 3-4 year players. They've won 1 title since Knight Lite went all in on OAD's, as has UK. And don't forget, dook lost their 1st round game in '12(Lehigh) and '14(Mercer), and didn't even make the G8 last year, despite having all that OAD talent. Can you imagine the roasting Roy would have gotten if his teams had underachieved to that extent with all that talent? This board would have gone up in flames and people would have been calling for Roy's head. Yet not a peep of that on DI. Are they more loyal than we are? Or do they just have more perspective?
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When you step back and really look at things, what Roy has been able to do and how he has been able to get it done doesn't IMO get near the credit he deserves. We can fuss that we are not killing it in recruiting at levels we are used to but goodness, just look what Roy has had to deal with over the last few years.
- His own health considering knee and hip replacements.
- Clearly the AFAM NCAA dark cloud we have been under for what seems like forever now has been used very successfully against us on the recruiting trail.
- 2 of our most hated rivals winning nattys and snagging future star NBA players in bunches most every season now days.
- The PJ/Lmac scandal, PJ never played again for us.
- Rashad running off at the lip
- Top 10 UNC recruits not really being one & done quality and yet Roy is accused of holding them back from being one & done.
- The loss of both Dean and Gut
- Roy loses his closest friend
- Kendal untimely injury
- 4-5 solid years of extremely negative media reporting and references made to it multiple times in every single game we have played for the last several years.
- Fan apathy and negativity, way to many o four fans now expect the worse and are surprised at solid results.
- Fans calling for Roy to step down saying the game has passed him by.
- Lack of NBA lotto selections and a lack of NBA star players as compared to our rivals.
- Marcus and Justin shooting slumps last season.
- UNC employees turning on the school and the program looking to sell a book.
- The states largest paper lead sports writer trying to turn a vendetta against the program in to a Pulitzer prize.
- Larry Drew and his family
- Both the Wear twins running back home to cali in the middle of the night and having daddy explain they were gone.
- Meeks injury last 2 seasons resulting in late season dips in his play.
- Injuries in Marcus's Jr season to the point that they could not have enough PGs healthy to practice.
- VERY questionable NCAA seeding leaving one to question if there was more to the seeding placements than what was deserved by on court play.
- NCAA investigation not completely over.
- Created phony perception by our hated rivals that UNC is not the place for the best talents to play. They spin that Roy holds them back.
- Not having the clear open spots that allow package deal mega talented players to all see open starting spots. One & done factory programs have the natural openings because they ship them out as quickly as they bring them in.
- Players leaving unexpectedly as in JP and JMM
Clearly K can't win without top talent - and even when he does have top talent, he sometimes blows it.
OK, not really true, but as true as the criticisms we used to hear about Roy only being successful with top talent - a slur that I hope has now been put to rest.
That said, I still want all the top talent we can get.
Especially today, a very "challenging day" to put things nicely.. Some times you the windshield, today I have been the bug! LOLThe top of your head seems to be a very crowded space.
Good points.
I mean, I don't anyone really thinks Roy is a bad coach except for the most irrational of fans (same thing with K, Cal, etc...). The best argument for Roy is that his players generally don't really do all that great in the NBA. That has little to do with him as guys with NBA talent will excel in the NBA regardless of where they went to school. The League knows how to get the best out of their guys. Still, with guys who have not excelled at the NBA level he has still been crazy successful. Since he has been at UNC one can make a pretty decent argument his results have been as good as any coach out there. All of this while not having talent on par (at least NBA wise) with many of the other schools UNC is compared to.
Roy has done a better job than ratty or slimy! Why quibble? What have the revolving doors at those two Universities gotten them that we didn't get with Roy?
Other than top 5 recruiting classes (which amount to what exactly?) we have been right there in every other metric!
I'll take Roy's method over either of theirs any day of the week and I hope he continues for the next 10 years in the same vein!
Other than top 5 recruiting classes (which amount to what exactly?) we have been right there in every other metric!
I'll take Roy's method over either of theirs any day of the week and I hope he continues for the next 10 years in the same vein!
Who said ratty was a bad coach? I saw exactly one comment that leaned that way and it was said facetiously. (maybe it was one of the many peeps I have on ignore, lol) He is a great coach and clearly deserves the HOF. He will go down as one of the greatest college bball coaches of all time, but I would NEVER want him associated with UNC! Being a great coach is not enough for me, I want our coaches to be good people as well. I don't like the way he treats people and I hate his apparent hypocrisy! (This is also what I did not like about Doh!)
To be clear: I respect ratty as a COACH; I have NO respect for him as a PERSON!
To be clear: I respect ratty as a COACH; I have NO respect for him as a PERSON!
To be fair, 2010 had nothing to do with OAD talent, & without trying to sound like sour grapes, that title should never have happened for a number of reasons.
Both of these guys will do about anything to win also, but Grayson is more openly dirty. My fellow Duke grads will disown me now, but GA is Lattener 2 in terms of doing just about anything to get an advantage. I played high school ball 20,000 years ago with a guy who used to throw the most vicious elbows and also if you drove straight into him he would grab your jersey and pull you down on him for a charge call. He actually got away with it, so damn sneaky. I was glad he was on my team, but man, the psychology of guys like that. Grayson, I don't know him, but teammates mostly like him( Thornton did not obviously ) whereas Hill, Hurley and others did not like Christian either. Hurley tried to fight him, six foot versus six eleven, but that is a White dude from inner city Jersey City for ya.
Probably should have called timeout in the Dean Dome, but hard to criticize Williams too much. Even K used the same strategy in 2010 with the on purpose missed FT by Zoubec, he wanted a "scramble" with no set play and Roy most likely thought you all would get a better shot than Berry against D. Thornton. That game was stolen from you in a way, the foul trouble, the pace of play. Two weeks later, different outcome. UNC clearly the better team, but that is why you play the games as they say.
I truly suspect the shoe will probably be on the other foot this coming season and Duke falls to UNC when they are favored to sweep. Roy and UNC too good.
His dad is no joke either. He tried to fight another counselor when I was at Five Star because the counselor disagreed with him about a rotation on a 2-2-1 press.
