Dunn to transfer
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Perhaps he’s been told Cadeau is reclassifying and RJ would be moved to SG?
Thank God for program guides. Wouldn't know who was on the team next year without it.
I'm sure he's been told this. On top of that it sounds like we're looking to add another transfer wing to start at SF.
There is nothing good about this.
For sure. It really stinks to see him go.
That said, I understand the decision. He's entering his junior year with no clear path to major minutes. I think between Cadeau, Davis, Ryan, Wilcher, and potentially another wing he could've seen a minutes decrease this year. I hope he can find somewhere where he can start.
I wish him all the best as well, and I can't blame him. He was under-utilized last season as it was.
This is a bummer and frankly I miss the old days.
Hate to see Dunn go and I hate to see the revolving door.
Hate to see Dunn go and I hate to see the revolving door.
I used to know who all the UNC players were and the starters on the other ACC teams. Now I don’t know the members of our team.
He got more minutes on the wing than Nickel or Styles. His defense resulted in a crucial loss to Pitt we couldn't afford. He was bricking wide open 3s at the end of the year.
I'd say he got the minutes he deserved, but had the potential to keep earning more in each of his next two seasons.
I'd also guess he looked at our recruiting and knew he would never start at UNC.
Granted I don’t know how good he is since he didn’t play all that much… but I’m guessing if he was in our starting lineup at any point, we’d be in trouble.
An intriguing player with his size and length. Best of luck to him.
A lot more confident, as would a couple of the other guys who left.
I don't like it either but Duke and Kentucky do it almost every year, it will get old quick if this continues to happen with unc.
Keep in mind that Dunn and Styles were both Roy Williams' recruits, and they were offered back when Covid shut down all in-person scouting. Just a very weird situation.
Obviously the transfer eligibility rules change, coupled with NIL, has drastically altered the landscape of college sports. But our coaching change and Covid played a particularly big role for those 2 players.
Obviously the transfer eligibility rules change, coupled with NIL, has drastically altered the landscape of college sports. But our coaching change and Covid played a particularly big role for those 2 players.
Unfortunately, the days of seeing a player develop from garbage minutes into a major role or starter are over. Although we are used to seeing our stars leave early, every player has option to leave for more pt and $$$. It's hard to have any hard feelings toward them because they just want to play more meaningful minutes, because riding the pine sucks.
Seth Trimble may have something to say about that when he's an upperclassmen.
I think having his childhood hero joining the coaching staff will likely keep him out of the transfer portal.
I wish him well and thank him for his work and play as a Heel. That being said, while like most I hate the roster turnover, I just never saw the attraction that some had for him. He just was another body on the court most of the time and had a few sparks of solid play..but mostly he was an average player. If Cadeau comes this year and Rj moves to the 2 guard, he will be a faint memory in very short order.
There is nothing good about the entire program since the start of the '22-'23 season
I’ll agree with the exception of recent recruiting success (including Cadeau in December last year)
Hubert has proven astute in collecting the parts he wants, time for him to prove he can coach them.
Do you have a player comp? I have no idea since he didnt play but people made him sound like a really good 2-way guard.
Also, what was the correct way to use him last year?
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This is my thought too. We lost a bunch of very replaceable players. We sucked last year and I don’t understand why people are upset we overhauled our roster from the team that sucked.
And whatever little adjustments we would’ve made last year would’ve made us just fake good.
It is true, the team sucked last season. Though many on here (myself included) will argue that it was more to do with player management, poor player rotations, mistakes with the early season offensive setup, lack of accountability and lack of leadership than lack of talent.
Put simply, with good coaching and leadership last years team should have been, at worst, a first round NCAA winner… sucking had nothing to do with who was on the roster.
Amen. Hubert, I pray learned very valuable lessons from last season. One in which His recruits and players gave up on him (by transferring) because he showed very little faith in them. Most of Tar Heel Nation saw by the end of December that the Team was not working with the lineups he kept playing and yet he did nothing to rectify it. It was so hard watching the coaching staff keep allowing the same mistakes to be made over and over again. Their lack of usage, roles not being defined and players not developing over the course of the season hurt the Program immensely.
Do you really feel this is a similar situation to Duke or UK, right?
Those programs are NBA factories.
The guys leaving UNC aren’t going to top tier programs.
May not be soon but this wild west transfer portal BS will not be around forever... at least that's what I'm consoling myself with.
Many of the players transferring away from Kentucky, dook, and Kansas in recent years have ended up on programs that are similar to where Love, Puff, Nickel, Styles, and Walton ended up.
I assume portal chaos will level off somewhat. These first couple of years, people are figuring things out. We have both a lot of people who could transfer and also the folks with extra an year due to COVID.
One thing that may help it level off is that you only get a free transfer once. That's still true, isn't it?
Per Verbal Commits 1736 entered the portal as of yesterday (with a few more still in processing, I assume). That's an average of 4.78 transfers per D1 school. But most underclassmen in that group won't get to transfer again without sitting out a year.
That suggests that the pool of eligible folks should shrink somewhat going forward.
OTOH, @andrew jones has suggested the NCAA is likely to give everybody 5 years of eligibility. How will that affect the musical chairs game?
Also, the NIL situation could slow down the movement of top players. If you are doing really well with NIL, why leave? Which is to say that the best players on the best teams won't be moving as much once their schools/boosters get their acts together.
Just my guesses.
Since we got both Ingram and Ryan, I don't think we need another SF. But if we get one, I'm going to be disappointed we didn't snag Cleveland (who ended up at Miami).
When Ingram, Ryan and Cleveland were all in focus, I felt that if we were only getting one of those to meet our SF needs, Cleveland was the best fit. We ended up getting the other 2 - and that's even better. But if we still want a 3, Cleveland still would have been a great fit.
Of course for all I know we did try to get Cleveland, but he didn't see enough PT with Ingram and Ryan on board.
We need another big man. Withers backing up Bacot at the 5 seems crazy to me.. Withers is an undersized 4, more like a 3. Same with Harrison Ingram. We are putting all of our eggs in one basket with Washington. What if Washington isnt ready or doesnt turn out the way we thought he would?
We need another solid big man that can give us 10-15 mpg.. With the foul trouble Bacot got in last season, we definitely need someone else.
Would also love to get another wing. We have 3 scholarships available. One goes to Cadeau, but the other 2?? There is not a whole lot of talent left in the portal unless we snag one of the recent ones. Maybe we can get Ian Jackson to reclass as well.
We need another solid big man that can give us 10-15 mpg.. With the foul trouble Bacot got in last season, we definitely need someone else.
Would also love to get another wing. We have 3 scholarships available. One goes to Cadeau, but the other 2?? There is not a whole lot of talent left in the portal unless we snag one of the recent ones. Maybe we can get Ian Jackson to reclass as well.
About the only surprising thing about Dunn entering the portal is that it actually took this long for it to happen.
Was this good or bad for the program? It is darn sure a reflection of the state of the game today and NO I do not think the state of the college game today is in a good place. But that is a entirely different discussion for another time, this thread is about Dunn's transfer and it has morphed a bit in to is Dunn transferring good or bad for the program, that isn't as easy to answer. Why Dunn entered the portal is easy, he wants PT and he isn't likely to get the PT he needs in order to develop at UNC. Dunn is a 2 that you can get away with at the 3 in a small ball look for a limited few minutes, he is zero help at the point. Problem is he is at least 3rd on the depth chart at either position he can play and could well have ended up 4th at his main play position (the 2). That means he was looking at way less PT than he got even last season, maybe closer to the minutes (or should I say seconds) he got as a freshman, that is the reality.
If you feel his entering the portal is a bad thing, I would ask OK, so would you prefer more minutes go to Dunn or Ryan, who would you prefer minutes go to Wilcher or Dunn? I think those are very easy questions to answer, in neither question is my answer Dunn. That assumes Cadeau does not reclass because if he did RJ would join the mix of guys that play the 2, dropping Dunn to 4th on the depth chart for his primary position? Should I even ask who you think should get minutes more Dunn or RJ, nah, that would be silly to ask wouldn't it. Even at the VERY limited minutes he could get at the 3, he is behind BOTH Ingram and Wojick and should be frankly, could even be behind Ryan getting a few minutes at the 3.
So is it a bad thing for the program to bring in players like we have, that because the incoming players are simply considered to be not just upgrades at his position but very strong upgrades and in return we lose a guy that was 3rd at best at any position, kind of hard to see that as a bad thing, if what you are interested in is winning games next season? Sports is the ultimate survival of the fittest, as in the wild, either eat or be eaten. Is that a good thing, depends really on how much you want to win next season, you have to consider how things are done in todays game with the reality of the portal and the fact that todays players are not as willing to wait their turn. To win now days you have to load up and lock in, a area of weakness has to be addressed and the portal is an effective way to do just that very quickly. We shot the ball like crap last season and Dunn was a part of that poor shooting group and we all know that had to be addressed by having better shooting come in, that has happened and in doing so our ability to win games we lost last season has ramped up and Dunn simply was not going to be much of a factor in that. Are we better off that any minutes he would get now go to guys that have proven more or a kid like Wilcher with all his upside on the way, you know we are and I am not sure there is a reasonable debate to be had about that?
Was this good or bad for the program? It is darn sure a reflection of the state of the game today and NO I do not think the state of the college game today is in a good place. But that is a entirely different discussion for another time, this thread is about Dunn's transfer and it has morphed a bit in to is Dunn transferring good or bad for the program, that isn't as easy to answer. Why Dunn entered the portal is easy, he wants PT and he isn't likely to get the PT he needs in order to develop at UNC. Dunn is a 2 that you can get away with at the 3 in a small ball look for a limited few minutes, he is zero help at the point. Problem is he is at least 3rd on the depth chart at either position he can play and could well have ended up 4th at his main play position (the 2). That means he was looking at way less PT than he got even last season, maybe closer to the minutes (or should I say seconds) he got as a freshman, that is the reality.
If you feel his entering the portal is a bad thing, I would ask OK, so would you prefer more minutes go to Dunn or Ryan, who would you prefer minutes go to Wilcher or Dunn? I think those are very easy questions to answer, in neither question is my answer Dunn. That assumes Cadeau does not reclass because if he did RJ would join the mix of guys that play the 2, dropping Dunn to 4th on the depth chart for his primary position? Should I even ask who you think should get minutes more Dunn or RJ, nah, that would be silly to ask wouldn't it. Even at the VERY limited minutes he could get at the 3, he is behind BOTH Ingram and Wojick and should be frankly, could even be behind Ryan getting a few minutes at the 3.
So is it a bad thing for the program to bring in players like we have, that because the incoming players are simply considered to be not just upgrades at his position but very strong upgrades and in return we lose a guy that was 3rd at best at any position, kind of hard to see that as a bad thing, if what you are interested in is winning games next season? Sports is the ultimate survival of the fittest, as in the wild, either eat or be eaten. Is that a good thing, depends really on how much you want to win next season, you have to consider how things are done in todays game with the reality of the portal and the fact that todays players are not as willing to wait their turn. To win now days you have to load up and lock in, a area of weakness has to be addressed and the portal is an effective way to do just that very quickly. We shot the ball like crap last season and Dunn was a part of that poor shooting group and we all know that had to be addressed by having better shooting come in, that has happened and in doing so our ability to win games we lost last season has ramped up and Dunn simply was not going to be much of a factor in that. Are we better off that any minutes he would get now go to guys that have proven more or a kid like Wilcher with all his upside on the way, you know we are and I am not sure there is a reasonable debate to be had about that?
WE don't need another 3 and we surely do not need to dilute the available PT even more for guys like Ingram, Wojick, and even Ryan (I include Ryan because if we go in game to a small ball look I want Ryan as the small ball 3 so I have Ryan as 3rd at the 3 spot). Someone is likely sitting back asking, yeah, well what if we could bring in Trey Alexander, my opinion does not change, we do not need to crowd the depth chart any further at the 2 and the 3, especially if Cadeau does reclass but yeah, even if he doesn't.
But I think that question is moot, I don't think a player like Alexander would really consider us knowing who we already have on roster and how much PT it would cost him, even if he were able to start for us.
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