Evil strikes again....
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That's actually a very succinct, accurate summation.
Radical Muslims are the most violent extreme of a conservative ideology. Religion/Faith is a common denominator for most kinds of conservatism. Radical Islam is conservatism pushed to the furthest degree. A theocracy is, in many ways, a conservative utopia. Religion restricts, dictates and controls behavior, social standards, etc., just like government tries to do. Conservatives dislike the idea of government doing it. And, American conservatism has been in-bed with religion for about 37 years now. They asked for it, they got it.
ETA: I don't mean that American conservatives are the mirror image of Muslim Radicals. I'm simply saying that Muslim Radicals are very, VERY conservative!
Of course they are conservative from an ideological standpoint. That's not the issue here and you and boy both know it.
It's not the issue where? It's definitely the issue to which I was responding. You replied to UNCBoy's post with: "So lost it's comical, yet sad." It was pretty accurate, in my opinion. Now, you apparently agree with what he said after I clarified it for you?
There's nothing "liberal" about radical Muslim extremists.
no... it's not word games at all. If words mean things- like allowing us to define and identify ideologies that lead to suppression of thought and the freedom to share ideas- then there are no games being played at all.
If we can agree that communists and Islamic radicals are, at their core, conservatives... do you think we should pay attention to our own positions and if we're moving toward these extremes ourselves?
I realize that the meme that heelbent shared makes it appear that using "liberal" methods will never "defeat Muslim extremists." And, in a way, that's absolutely right. You won't like this, but; Americans and western civilization can never, ever out-fight Radical Islam. Trying to do that is pouring gas onto a forest fire. They WANT people to fight with them. The more you try and fight them, they stronger they get. I can assure you, American conservatives, and conservatism that we have here, are amateurs when you put them against Muslim resolve, when it comes to the extremists who will blow themselves up to try and get even for something. But they will gladly drag you down to their level, if you follow their lead. Would you rather be more like Muslim extremists or less like them? Because, you're not going to change them. And, you're never going to defeat them by playing them at their game.
You most certainly can defeat them, but not by playing by "civilized" rules. You have to be willing to make the price for their atrocities beyond what they are willing to pay. We've done that on occasion exactly by stooping to their level...and they don't like it.
Trump nailed it when he said "go after their families". THAT'S the price they aren't unwilling to pay. The head-shed knows it, and as I said above, we have done it before. Sometimes those unintended targets aren't unintended at all.
I have lived with them, and while they don't give one fat rat's behind about you or your family they certainly care about their own. Look at the rhetoric Bin Laden's son is spouting now. We should have taken out everyone inside that compound when we killed Bin Laden.
A suicide bomber is willing to die to kill you...but 99% of them aren't willing to sacrifice their families to accomplish your death. The POS that exploded himself in Manchester has family in England and Libya...kill them all, and let the world know why they died. The world won't like it but it will become a safer place. You can't deal with savages successfully without playing by their rules. They are willing to kill everyone in your family. Be willing to kill theirs. It's the only game they understand.
Fine... do it your way. I mean THEIR way. Be more like them. Act like them. Let's just be as uncivilized as them. Do what they do. Become just... like... them. Sounds foolproof.
If what they do is "evil", then the obvious remedy is to be MORE EVIL. Good luck.
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It's called survival. Flowers and hugs aren't working and they won't. You can't negotiate, you can't buy them off and you can't surrender. All you can do is kill them all. It's time we did just that.
We didn't defeat Germany with flowers. We bombed them into the stone age and killed everyone that tried to stop us. That worked pretty well. We are in a war. Fight it to win it.
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You hug them, I'll kill them. At least I'll be a live savage. But don't worry. The grave is peaceful. I'll even plant a flower on it for you.
I am not going to put levels of evil on this, they are all heinous, cowardly, and disgusting.
I'm not afraid of death. My soul is eternal anyway.
You're making these people your heroes to emulate. Congratulations.
There you go again. I'm making them dead. I don't emulate death very well. Congrats on your eternal soul. I prefer my mortal body.
Where do you think this ends, Strum? Seriously. Do you honestly believe we can deal peacefully with these guys? Do you have any doubt at all that one day they will get their hands on a nuke and blow up 50/100k people? Do you doubt they will use chemical weapons against a populous?
We can't love them enough to make them stop. All we can do is kill them. I've spent a goodly portion of my life dealing with these people. The first time I was hurt by an Islamic terrorist I was 20. I'm still trying to help stop them. I know them. They hate you...they hate me...they hate us all. Our mere existence is an affront to them.
How do we deal with that?
You're at a huge disadvantage because you're not savage enough yet. You're not prepared to strap a bomb to yourself and blow yourself, and others, up. Try harder. You love your mortal body too much.
Typical Strum response.You don't propose an alternative solution. I like you dude, but the Utopia that exists in your head isn't reality.
Wait...
You tell me how it must be remedied. You tell me what won't work. You've got the answer. You chose the right course. Be more uncivilized, inhumane, savage, and more evil than them. Kill them all.
Then you ask me what to do???
I'm not even sure what end result you want. You believe in eternal life, but prefer your mortal body. I can't keep up with you.
If you have the answer, go with it. You've got your work cut out for you. You're way behind them as far as resolve goes. They're ready to die.
Once again you make a statement and try to portray it as fact , when it is not. We have the technology to wipe those 16th century sheep herders off the map if we would stop puzzying around with them and get the Euro trash on board.
We... I'm sure you'll be pulling triggers and firing the missiles. Truth be told, you would. You're a lot more like the "16th Century sheep herders" than you're willing to admit.
It is a fact, or it would have already accomplished it by now. We have the tools but lack the resolve. And... we're not as savage as them... yet.
Wow...JSMMFH. You don't have to strap a bomb to yourself only the ignorant and uneducated do that. A well placed bomb from the sky will take out so many more and you live to fight another day. They will prey on your weakness Strum , just like they preyed on Obama's. You mistake resolve for stupidity in their case.
If you had access to the weapons that could annihilate them, would you use them? Would YOU use them?
I offered you my solution...give me yours. If you don't have one simply say so.
I've never been to eternity. I don't know anything about it. I know what was promised...but again, it's all an unknown to me. I've known joy and love here. I prefer what I know. Is that so difficult to comprehend?
Yes, they're ready and willing to die. I think we should give them what they want. I can't determine which roach is carrying the plague...so I kill them all.
My solution requires commitment. Commitment that you obviously don't have.
You've chosen your path.
ETA: Whatever "was promised" must not have been very convincing.
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Your solution requires someone elses commitment. What have YOU done, Strum?
And as for my path, I disagree...they chose it for me. I just walked it.
I don't need anyone else to assist me. I'm not expecting anyone else to follow me. I prefer love over fear. I don't need anyone else to validate that for me. I feel it inside me.
If you want to kill these people, kill them. Justify it however you want. They made you want to kill them? Fine. I'm sure they have a similar justification for what they're doing. You don't have their "balls", however. And, I'm very thankful for that. You're not like them. You prefer peace to violence. Have the resolve to take THAT as far as they have the resolve to do the opposite. Up to you.
In a second. There would be impalings , hangings and beheadings cause that's the kind of thing they understand , many , many impalings.
You need to look up jihadist , cause you don't know what it means. I am not trying to force anything on them other than I will not stand by and let them force it on me.
I didn't like the way that "balls" thing sounded so I edited it out. I apologize if anyone took it to mean I was somehow touting myself.
I don't have a problem with killing a terrorist, but do you honestly think that intentionally killing innocent people is going to help the situation? If a terrorist has 2 kids under the age of 5, I'm not sure how killing them is going to help anything. If you start killing kids for no reason, then you become no different than them.
What exactly is that solution? You continue to dodge that question. I'm more than willing to consider alternative solutions, but you refuse to offer one. I don't have the perfect solution to this, but if you have one or one that you think is better let us know.
again just making statements and claiming they are true , Yeah I prefer peace , but don't mind using violence to restore or maintain it. I think you should change your screen name to "Neville Chamberlain".
I realize it's answering hate with hate, but they simply don't understand anything else and to be honest, it DOES work.
Those children are being taught to hate and kill your children. Right now...at this moment.
I know of at least one bombing with collateral casualties that was anything but an accident. The building was laser painted by an operator and the bomb was guided to the target. It took out two radicals and at least 20 of their immediate family members. It also completely eradicated the threat of an attack that was imminent and completely destroyed the will of a terror cell.
Did innocents die? Yes. Did it also save countless innocent lives? I have absolutely no doubt that it did.
Well, I guess if you kill everybody then it will work by default just because everyone is dead. Killing a baby or 90 year old grandma just because they exist seems like a step too far for me. At that point there is nothing separating them from us.
I mean, I guess it is. But if the way you want to stay alive is by killing everyone just because they are breathing, then why not go ahead and kill everyone in every other country? Russian mobs and Chinese mobs have killed Americans, so why not go ahead and just nuke those countries? It would guarantee our safety from them. Like I said I've got no problem going after the terrorists, but I just have a hard time making the leap to killing innocent people.
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