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Yep. Give me the experienced players! If you care about draft picks, take the freshman McDonald's all AmericansBoth Duke and Kentucky are loaded with Mickey D players year after year but as Tennessee and North Carolina showed yesterday esperienced teams with seniors and juniors normally always prevail
We're a year removed from experience being pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. That experience also lost twice to a pretty freshman-dominant Duke team.Both Duke and Kentucky are loaded with Mickey D players year after year but as Tennessee and North Carolina showed yesterday esperienced teams with seniors and juniors normally always prevail
Truth is you need a mix and especially now days. Look at the guys that get PT with us, how many 3 stars do you see? Look at us last season, how many 3 stars or less did we play? Now you do see guys that used to be 3 stars yet come to the college game and play well above that level but other than maybe Kalipari, what other coach cares more about where a kid is ranked than how he plays?Both Duke and Kentucky are loaded with Mickey D players year after year but as Tennessee and North Carolina showed yesterday esperienced teams with seniors and juniors normally always prevail
To answer your questionGood point that if you have one of the best players to ever dribble a bball you can win while they are young.....If you offer me Antawn Jamison, Phil Ford, and Rasheed Wallace as freshmen, I guess I'd be OK and If an experienced team was dysfunctional, I guess freshmen could win, but does any of this have anything to do with the point? UNC has experienced talent that FITS and mollywhopped the Elite youngsters in Durm seems like a good point too! Did we win due to talent, experience, or coaching? In general, experience will trump talent given an even playing field but all systems have outliers!
Did we win due to talent, experience, or coaching? I would suggest we won due to all 3.
BY traditional I assume you are saying bring them in as freshmen and develop them over their years of eligibility to become factors for us usually by their Jr season. Yeah, I liked that more than the 1&D nonsense but now days that kid that sat on your bench for 2 seasons and has developed is now looking to leave, see Styles and Dunn as recent examples. There were what, over 1,000 guys in the portal this last time around and all of them developed to some extent that are all now looking for a place they can get solid PT and maybe start. So the traditional way doesn't work like it used to?I think it's been clearly demonstrated over time that teams loaded with upper classmen are the usual standouts. But that assumes those upperclassmen have been playing together for at least several years. This team has a depth of experience, but they have largely only played this one season. together and that is high tribute to the coach who has somehow brought our success about. Hats off to Hubes.
That being said, I still prefer the more traditional ways of building a team.
Hit the nail on the head Dave.Truth is you need a mix and especially now days. Look at the guys that get PT with us, how many 3 stars do you see? Look at us last season, how many 3 stars or less did we play? Now you do see guys that used to be 3 stars yet come to the college game and play well above that level but other than maybe Kalipari, what other coach cares more about where a kid is ranked than how he plays?
Take Banchero for duke, is there a team in the country he would not have started for as a freshman like he did for duke? Yet he had the lack of experience, I like having a solid core built over time, bring in coachable freshmen that have solid talent (4 and 5 stars) and fill immediate needs via the portal. The shark has jumped the 1&D programs, wonder how long it will take them to notice, there are a LOT of pissed off Ky and duke fans that seem to have already noticed that! LOL
yessir, that's what I meant. And of course you're right about the way it is now, and I don't think the way it is now is necessarily all bad. It's good for the players probably, but it isn't as good for team building, that's for sure.BY traditional I assume you are saying bring them in as freshmen and develop them over their years of eligibility to become factors for us usually by their Jr season. Yeah, I liked that more than the 1&D nonsense but now days that kid that sat on your bench for 2 seasons and has developed is now looking to leave, see Styles and Dunn as recent examples. There were what, over 1,000 guys in the portal this last time around and all of them developed to some extent that are all now looking for a place they can get solid PT and maybe start. So the traditional way doesn't work like it used to?
Good point that if you have one of the best players to ever dribble a bball you can win while they are young.....If you offer me Antawn Jamison, Phil Ford, and Rasheed Wallace as freshmen, I guess I'd be OK and If an experienced team was dysfunctional, I guess freshmen could win, but does any of this have anything to do with the point? UNC has experienced talent that FITS and mollywhopped the Elite youngsters in Durm seems like a good point too! Did we win due to talent, experience, or coaching? In general, experience will trump talent given an even playing field but all systems have outliers!
Totally agree and frankly, fit (another way of saying chemistry but as well wraps in your first point about being the right pieces) may be the most important consideration of all. Example, 2 guys came to us season before last via the portal. Most folks were extremely excited when Garcia committed to us, when Manek committed there was not nearly the same level of excitement but Manek fit, like hand to glove and Garcia just didn't. I hope you didn't buy the "sick relative" deal, that was a smoke screen, I didn't buy that for a second, Garcia was just mad that he was not going to start ahead of Manek when he came back from that "injury". Really talented player but a really bad fit, Nance to me was also a really talented player but he didn't fit our area of need.Hit the nail on the head Dave.
Experience + Talent.
But I'd add:
1. the right pieces in the right places (see our back court last yr vs this year)
2. Chemistry - this years team has it in bucket loads
I disagree on the excitement between Garcia and Manek coming in. Garcia was young and had the bigger upside. Manek was already a ALL big 12, all- conference Big 12 STAR, and THE ELITE stretch 4 shooter big available, BAR NONE in the nation. Look back at the posts if you think otherwise. Old vet already established/ young buck more versatile.Totally agree and frankly, fit (another way of saying chemistry but as well wraps in your first point about being the right pieces) may be the most important consideration of all. Example, 2 guys came to us season before last via the portal. Most folks were extremely excited when Garcia committed to us, when Manek committed there was not nearly the same level of excitement but Manek fit, like hand to glove and Garcia just didn't. I hope you didn't buy the "sick relative" deal, that was a smoke screen, I didn't buy that for a second, Garcia was just mad that he was not going to start ahead of Manek when he came back from that "injury". Really talented player but a really bad fit, Nance to me was also a really talented player but he didn't fit our area of need.
I stated my opinion as to the excitement level between our getting Garcia and Manek and I 1000% believe the excitement level was a good bit less for Manek. I never said Garcia was not talented, he is very talented. This has nothing to do with how the kid is playing today for the team he now plays for. But there were chemistry issues with him at UNC and he was very upset that he was not going to get his starting role back from Manek after missing a couple games. I gave this very opinion of Garcia directly after that official announcement was made and got a ton of push back for saying it. It was smoke then and it still is and I get why they treated it this way because it allowed for there to be no bad guy, it glossed over the chemistry issues that had popped up and allowed everyone to move on.I disagree on the excitement between Garcia and Manek coming in. Garcia was young and had the bigger upside. Manek was already a ALL big 12, all- conference Big 12 STAR, and THE ELITE stretch 4 shooter big available, BAR NONE in the nation. Look back at the posts if you think otherwise. Old vet already established/ young buck more versatile.
The trepidation was he is joining after Garcia. Similar position, how do they mesh. Garcia is a top 10 finalist along with Bacot for the Jabbar award this year. Young talent/old vet comparison. They were splitting time, with similar numbers, not a good situation
I do not get personal, but screw you doubting his families health and deaths. Ya, you know how the deaths hit him. Bad hot take buddy!
I simply recall it differently but it really doesn't matter at this point, I do and very likely always will see Garcia about the same as I do the Ware twins or larry Drew. Doesn't really matter how either of us see it, all that matters is UNC and the players ended up in a better situation.He had plenty of options of where to go to. He went back home, to a not strong team. The 'bullshit' call of the deaths and illnesses in his family and doubting his belief to be there for them seems reckless and in poor judgement.
To the point of their portal commits, Manek and Garcia, it is there to see in real time. Go back and look at the reactions. Manek was the proven veteran star player, ALL BIG 12, THE ELITE SHOOTING BIG . Garcia was the young buck, 3 years to play, with potential. Garcia was first to commit. The trepidation was with bringing in a 5th year 1 year guy with the young transfer you just sold on at that spot. Not on Garcia being the better as is player at that point. Manek was a known All- conference as is vet.
Garcia was a priority recruit the year before, his last 3 were UNC, IU, Marquette coming out of high school. Look back st the comments when Manek transferred, it does not fit your recollection.