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We will also continue to have a hard time recruiting top talent and quality depth on the defensive side of the ball given our scheme on offense and how we consistently put our D in bad spots.
The D did NOT lose that game. The VT D scored more points than did our offense.

Let that sink in. Our D played well enough to win, against VT, in Lane. Our offense and special teams did not.

And it is that Fedora offense that is the reason for having Fedora as HC. So, if, as seems to me from the entire career cases of Vic Koenning and Gene Chizik, that Fedora's offense is extremely hard on DCs, then it may not be possible to make Fedora teams more than minimally better with a new DC, and even a new D staff. And if you ad that to the fact that the Fedora offense seems to have lost all its glow, at least under OC Kapilovic, then despair makes sense.

And that goes double because of all the mental errors every Fedora team makes, all season long.

Unless Fedora is caught in bed with a dead woman or live boy, we are stuck for at least 1 more year. Al of the above leads me to this as the best hope to jump start a program that has did, plain old died and begun to putrefy, in less than a 1 year: Fire Chris Kapilovic and hire a real OC.

My guess is that Fedora won't do that, because Kap is his longest tenured assistant. And he likes Kap as OC because he worships 'HIS' offense, and Kap will be his no-questions-asked Fed OC. But that is what Bubba should force on him - new OC and new OL coach.

I also do not like anything I've seen from RB recruiting and coaching - we need a new RB coach.

If we get those 3 positions replaced (with either 2 or 3 new coaches), and the new hires are tough as nails and demand discipline, and they work players to death to master fundamentals, then perhaps Fedora can get back to 8 wins at least by 2019.
 
i’ve been saying that since year one...fed spread at his pace when it doesn’t work is a time bomb...and forget about being physical in practice vs spread offenses.

clemson used to be about volume of plays, now they are more physical, and if the ground game is working, that’s where they punish you...not larry though, nope.
Larry has total faith in HIS offense. And that is a major problem.
 
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I don't know that I would consider Fed a top 15 coach as has been mentioned. But he was about the best option we had that would actually come here amidst all the NCAA crap.

Despite all the frustrations that we as Heels fans have, we all know that Fed will get a pass for this year (and in all honesty, he probably should). At best, most of us felt we were looking at 6-6 anyway. The ludicrous amount of injuries has to be factored in.

My $.02 regarding the most frequently mentioned frustrations...
1> QB
Playing devil's advocate here... I don't remember the preseason talk last year, but honestly did anyone think Mitch would ascend to become such a high draft pick and leave after one season as a starter? I don't think he was thought of as a first round pick before last season began. Regardless, if he was still here, our opponents would have to respect his ability and he would make our receivers better. But we've lost how many WR's now? Combined with the crappy QB's we have now and a weak OL, our offense is doomed.

2> Recruiting
We all know that the NCAA crap had a negative affect. Despite that, he's actually averaged getting the 5th best ACC class (30th nationally) during his tenure. Whether or not Fed can improve on that now that the cloud is lifted, remains to be seen. He can no longer use this as an excuse, so he's got no choice but to get better, especially since better talent might be the only way to offset the next 3 frustrations...

3> Poor fundamentals coaching
Again, I'll play devil' advocate for a minute here - but due to all the injuries, it's fair to say we have a bunch of guys on the field that weren't ready yet. I mean, there's a reason they weren't going to be starters, right? It's easy to say that they need to be "coached up" better, but I think you have to consider that they aren't as skilled (or are as quick of a learner) as the guys that were ahead of them on the depth chart. Hopefully the minutes they get this year can translate into improved play & depth next year. Hopefully. We've not seen much improvement in this area during Fed's tenure, so all we can do is hope.

4> In-game coaching
This one is hard to defend. I too am frustrated at the stupid penalties we see every year, usually at the worst possible moments of the game. I suppose that the dumb penalties falls into #3, but anyway, add to that his stubbornness in play calling (and clock management) that has cost us games, and again, it's hard to defend. Fed HAS GOT TO learn from his mistakes and get better in this area. Unfortunately these issues have been present from day one and I'm not sure if they'll ever change. Sad.

5> Defense
I saved the best for last, haha. There's not much I can say here. Our D usually sucks at historically bad levels. There are the occasional bright spots; we've actually seen some decent play this year at times but with next to no help from the offense, it doesn't really make much difference. Maybe we need yet another DC / staff? Maybe our recruiting will get better on D now and the results will show over the next few seasons? Wishful thinking, I suppose. I know I am tired of waiting for at least a respectable defense.

Regardless, with that high dollar buyout, I don't think Fed is going anywhere for at least another season; and that's only likely if we end up with 2-3 wins again next year.

Personally, I'm kind of on the fence at this point. If we don't have a clear cut better option then there's no reason to make a change just for change's sake. But it wouldn't bother me if Bubba did make a change if it was a definite upgrade.

Whew, I got blisters on my fingers... that's gotta be the longest rant I've ever poasted.
 
What alternative do you propose? There probably aren't any better options out there that would want the job.
I think many coaches would want the job. ACC football now is super coveted. And UNC is indeed positioned perfectly to be the next ACC team to rise into the Top 10 - with the right HC.
 
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I don't know that I would consider Fed a top 15 coach as has been mentioned. But he was about the best option we had that would actually come here amidst all the NCAA crap.

Despite all the frustrations that we as Heels fans have, we all know that Fed will get a pass for this year (and in all honesty, he probably should). At best, most of us felt we were looking at 6-6 anyway. The ludicrous amount of injuries has to be factored in.

My $.02 regarding the most frequently mentioned frustrations...
1> QB
Playing devil's advocate here... I don't remember the preseason talk last year, but honestly did anyone think Mitch would ascend to become such a high draft pick and leave after one season as a starter? I don't think he was thought of as a first round pick before last season began. Regardless, if he was still here, our opponents would have to respect his ability and he would make our receivers better. But we've lost how many WR's now? Combined with the crappy QB's we have now and a weak OL, our offense is doomed.

2> Recruiting
We all know that the NCAA crap had a negative affect. Despite that, he's actually averaged getting the 5th best ACC class (30th nationally) during his tenure. Whether or not Fed can improve on that now that the cloud is lifted, remains to be seen. He can no longer use this as an excuse, so he's got no choice but to get better, especially since better talent might be the only way to offset the next 3 frustrations...

3> Poor fundamentals coaching
Again, I'll play devil' advocate for a minute here - but due to all the injuries, it's fair to say we have a bunch of guys on the field that weren't ready yet. I mean, there's a reason they weren't going to be starters, right? It's easy to say that they need to be "coached up" better, but I think you have to consider that they aren't as skilled (or are as quick of a learner) as the guys that were ahead of them on the depth chart. Hopefully the minutes they get this year can translate into improved play & depth next year. Hopefully. We've not seen much improvement in this area during Fed's tenure, so all we can do is hope.

4> In-game coaching
This one is hard to defend. I too am frustrated at the stupid penalties we see every year, usually at the worst possible moments of the game. I suppose that the dumb penalties falls into #3, but anyway, add to that his stubbornness in play calling (and clock management) that has cost us games, and again, it's hard to defend. Fed HAS GOT TO learn from his mistakes and get better in this area. Unfortunately these issues have been present from day one and I'm not sure if they'll ever change. Sad.

5> Defense
I saved the best for last, haha. There's not much I can say here. Our D usually sucks at historically bad levels. There are the occasional bright spots; we've actually seen some decent play this year at times but with next to no help from the offense, it doesn't really make much difference. Maybe we need yet another DC / staff? Maybe our recruiting will get better on D now and the results will show over the next few seasons? Wishful thinking, I suppose. I know I am tired of waiting for at least a respectable defense.

Regardless, with that high dollar buyout, I don't think Fed is going anywhere for at least another season; and that's only likely if we end up with 2-3 wins again next year.

Personally, I'm kind of on the fence at this point. If we don't have a clear cut better option then there's no reason to make a change just for change's sake. But it wouldn't bother me if Bubba did make a change if it was a definite upgrade.

Whew, I got blisters on my fingers... that's gotta be the longest rant I've ever poasted.
When Trubisky was a redshirt freshman, a month or so before the season started, SI ran an article about freshmen who could be in the Heisman hunt. Trubisky made the list.

Only Fedora was dumb enough to think Trubisky would be a 5 year player.
 
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When Trubisky was a redshirt freshman, a month or so before the season started, SI ran an article about freshmen who could be in the Heisman hunt. Trubisky made the list.

Only Fedora was dumb enough to think Trubisky would be a 5 year player.
Thanks; I couldn't recall.. I was sure he was considered a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but didn't know that he was getting that much love before the season started.
 
5> Defense

This is why UNC will never be very good under Fedora. The teams that really dominate are teams with a good defense... period. Until we have a coaching staff that can field a dominant defense, we'll be sporadic and mediocre.

Mack Brown's best teams were comprised of beastly defensive teams!
 
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1> QB
Playing devil's advocate here... I don't remember the preseason talk last year, but honestly did anyone think Mitch would ascend to become such a high draft pick and leave after one season as a starter? I don't think he was thought of as a first round pick before last season began. Regardless, if he was still here, our opponents would have to respect his ability and he would make our receivers better. But we've lost how many WR's now? Combined with the crappy QB's we have now and a weak OL, our offense is doomed.

2> Recruiting
We all know that the NCAA crap had a negative affect. Despite that, he's actually averaged getting the 5th best ACC class (30th nationally) during his tenure. Whether or not Fed can improve on that now that the cloud is lifted, remains to be seen. He can no longer use this as an excuse, so he's got no choice but to get better, especially since better talent might be the only way to offset the next 3 frustrations...

3> Poor fundamentals coaching
Again, I'll play devil' advocate for a minute here - but due to all the injuries, it's fair to say we have a bunch of guys on the field that weren't ready yet. I mean, there's a reason they weren't going to be starters, right? It's easy to say that they need to be "coached up" better, but I think you have to consider that they aren't as skilled (or are as quick of a learner) as the guys that were ahead of them on the depth chart. Hopefully the minutes they get this year can translate into improved play & depth next year. Hopefully. We've not seen much improvement in this area during Fed's tenure, so all we can do is hope.

4> In-game coaching
This one is hard to defend. I too am frustrated at the stupid penalties we see every year, usually at the worst possible moments of the game. I suppose that the dumb penalties falls into #3, but anyway, add to that his stubbornness in play calling (and clock management) that has cost us games, and again, it's hard to defend. Fed HAS GOT TO learn from his mistakes and get better in this area. Unfortunately these issues have been present from day one and I'm not sure if they'll ever change. Sad.

5> Defense
I saved the best for last, haha. There's not much I can say here. Our D usually sucks at historically bad levels. There are the occasional bright spots; we've actually seen some decent play this year at times but with next to no help from the offense, it doesn't really make much difference. Maybe we need yet another DC / staff? Maybe our recruiting will get better on D now and the results will show over the next few seasons? Wishful thinking, I suppose. I know I am tired of waiting for at least a respectable defense.

1. Before the season he was not thought of as a first rounder, but after the Florida State game he was like top 10 for the Heisman. After that the writing was on the wall. His accuracy from the pocket is off the charts, he's mobile, and he's accurate on the run. And our opponents would not have to respect his ability to throw because he would barely have time to throw. Have you seen this O line? Even if we still had our starting wide receivers he would have a worst year than last year. No one on this team is capable of stretching defense like Mack was. Hell look at how we preformed after we lost him for the season and that was with another eventually drafted WR and another one who is being given a chance to prove himself at the NFL level. If he came back after doing what he did last season he would've had so much hype around him that he would have never been able to live up to because he doesn't have the help around him. He would be in the same position Sam Darnold is in now on a WORST team.

2. So he has more talent than NC State, Duke, Virginia and Cal but has lost against all of them. He has a losing record to Duke with more talent. That's all coaching. Doesn't Fedora undersign recruiting classes every year? That's on him. He continues to play people out of position and try to make them into something they're not. Dalton is a defensive end.

3. On defense we still can't tackle, we have little to no knowledge of angles and we let the offensive player come to us instead of going to him. Myles Dorn got his ass ran over because he stood there and took the hit instead of going and delivering the hit. VTech should have been 2-4 yards behind the first instead it was a first down. On offense we have so many penalties that it's ridiculous. Yesterday we had 9 false starts. We have so many holding penalties. They might gain experience this year, but I don't see it helping much if at all for next year. We act like this is the first year we've had problem with penalties. 2015 is the only outlier every other year has been basically just like this. They lack discipline and that's all on Fedora and the coaching staff.

4. I wish people would realize he keeps doing the exact same thing he's done since he's been here. He is NEVER going to learn and as fans we either need to accept that and run him out of town or just bend over and take it.

- Not running the ball with Hood against South Carolina in 2015.
- Mitch's first start he throws the ball 40 times in what is a basically a home game for Georgia when we were having success running the ball.
-The screen he or Kap called in the end zone against Georgia that gave up a safety.
- The safety we gave up against Pitt with Switzer running parallel to the endzone in the endzone.
- Losing to Duke and NC State last year with all the talent we had.
- Cal we should've tried for the endzone a couple of times then went ahead and kicked the field and tried to recover the onside kick. Instead we keep trying to punch it in wasting ALL of the clock and score a meaningless TD.
- Duke the very same thing happens. We even get to 4th down in what was around a 36 yard field goal if remember correctly and instead we still try to score a TD and we turn it over on downs.
- We were lucky to be down only 7 against Notre Dame and instead of just qb sneaking a few times to run out the clock and go into half time with confidence we throw the ball into double coverage and very little time runs off the clock. Then we follow that up with handing the ball off what 4-5 yards in the endzone. Don't give me the right side missed blocks. You, I and the rest of the fan base knows this isn't a good running line. All that was needed was for the center and the right guard or left guard, which ever side Chazz was going, to push the D linemen back a little and him fall forward.
- We passed the ball on 3rd and a foot. Why? Did the coaching staff have that little faith in the O line? Then why hand the ball off out of your own endzone.

5. Defense is the only reason we had chances to beat Cal, Louisville, Duke and Virginia and they played good-great in the first half against ND and Georgia Tech. And exactly there in lies the problem. The offense has repeatedly let the defense down by either turning the ball over, not scoring, or not moving the ball at all. We have to be close if not leading the P5 in most three and outs. The only way we'll have a respectable defense while Fedora is here is if he completely changes his offensive philosophy. He wants a hurry up offense that goes as quickly as possible. That means if the offense goes 3 and out like 40 seconds have ticked off the clock unless we get a TV timeout and the defense has to go back on the field. Repeatedly doing that I don't blame them for being exhausted by half time or halfway through the third. I also think going up against a spread offense in practice all the time also hurts them.
 
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i’ve seen this movie before...it’s more about him hoping and realizing.

If it would really cost 15 million to buy out his contract then we might as well let him try to dig us out of this hole. That's more than it would cost to hire a top tier coach
 
Bingo. Even if we shore up damn near everything we’ve mentioned, the one thing that has been consistent under Fedora is our defense has been absolute garbage. Literally last or among the 3 worst power 5 defenses damn near every year. There is NO excuse for that. My biggest concern is that if we aren’t putting feelers out for other HC’s right now, we miss the boat. Look at our recruiting and what we lose even this year from a terrible football team and there is NO reason to be optimistic that things will improve in the next year or 2 at a level that is acceptable. By not making a change after this season, the runway for our programs over the next 3-5 years looks like this, and even this is a perfect case scenario.

2017-2 wins (hopefully we can beat WCU but if not Fed should be gone immediately)
2018-4 wins (Fed gets fired with another bad year next season)
2019-first year coach wins 4-5 games with what’s left over and trying to makeover the program
2020-year 2 under new HC we win 6-7 games and beat most everybody we should and play in the tire bowl
2021-we win 8 games and maybe upset a better team somewhere along the way and play in another 2nd tier bowl

All that in a perfect world and as you can see results and the product on the field still won’t generate any excitement for the football program. Kenan 75% full at best, and half empty after half time most week still in this scenario.
 
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Bingo. Even if we shore up damn near everything we’ve mentioned, the one thing that has been consistent under Fedora is our defense has been absolute garbage. Literally last or among the 3 worst power 5 defenses damn near every year. There is NO excuse for that. My biggest concern is that if we aren’t putting feelers out for other HC’s right now, we miss the boat. Look at our recruiting and what we lose even this year from a terrible football team and there is NO reason to be optimistic that things will improve in the next year or 2 at a level that is acceptable. By not making a change after this season, the runway for our programs over the next 3-5 years looks like this, and even this is a perfect case scenario.

2017-2 wins (hopefully we can beat WCU but if not Fed should be gone immediately)
2018-4 wins (Fed gets fired with another bad year next season)
2019-first year coach wins 4-5 games with what’s left over and trying to makeover the program
2020-year 2 under new HC we win 6-7 games and beat most everybody we should and play in the tire bowl
2021-we win 8 games and maybe upset a better team somewhere along the way and play in another 2nd tier bowl
You just described unc football history in a nutshell
 
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If it would really cost 15 million to buy out his contract then we might as well let him try to dig us out of this hole. That's more than it would cost to hire a top tier coach

have no problem giving him another year, but the philosophy will recruit more of this...he’s not going to learn from this year other than making sure more guys get more reps in the spring and summer.

if he’s bowl eligible next season it’s probably also on a national radar which could mean him atm’ing the university again and either extending or adding to a buyout.

think about this, if he goes 8-4 next year and a&m comes open, whoa...sumlin might have saved his job this year, who knows about next.
 
get rid of schemes .. I'm not a fan of hurry up offense if you cant move the ball . Our D spends to much time on field
 
honestly, how can recruiting be considered a strength when they are either not developing year to year or they weren't evaluated properly to begin with?

taking small classes, signing receivers that aren't playing, linemen seemingly not getting better, linebackers unable to play consistently, and the secondary getting individual accolades but unable to play well as a unit.

this offense isn't difficult for a receiver.
Why would u say this offense isn’t that hard for a receiver. I think it’s just the opposite. Even though a spread concept. It is concerned a pro style offense. That’s why MT was tacked so high. U have to have it between the ears. You don’t just line up and have to run The a called route. The route they run depends on what defense they are running. A lot goes on before the ball is snapped
 
Why would u say this offense isn’t that hard for a receiver. I think it’s just the opposite. Even though a spread concept. It is concerned a pro style offense. That’s why MT was tacked so high. U have to have it between the ears. You don’t just line up and have to run The a called route. The route they run depends on what defense they are running. A lot goes on before the ball is snapped
So if what you assert is true, then Fedora was a damned fool for playing Marquise Williams, who aint got a snowball's chance in Hell of playing QB in the NFL.
This is why UNC will never be very good under Fedora. The teams that really dominate are teams with a good defense... period. Until we have a coaching staff that can field a dominant defense, we'll be sporadic and mediocre.

Mack Brown's best teams were comprised of beastly defensive teams!
Beastly D and tough, top notch RBs.
 
The hurry up no huddle offense attracts high level offensive talent. And plenty of teams run this style offense and also have dominant defenses. Its about getting top level talent on both sides of the ball. We need for Fed to prove that he can take the recruiting to the next level with the NCAA cloud finally blown over.

We need some serious talent on the D-line so that we can control the line of scrimmage. If you can move the ball quickly with the high power offense, and the other team can't run the ball, then you can put up some serious points very fast. I don't know how Fed can build any kind of hype to sell recruits right now though.
 
The hurry up no huddle offense attracts high level offensive talent. And plenty of teams run this style offense and also have dominant defenses. Its about getting top level talent on both sides of the ball. We need for Fed to prove that he can take the recruiting to the next level with the NCAA cloud finally blown over.

We need some serious talent on the D-line so that we can control the line of scrimmage. If you can move the ball quickly with the high power offense, and the other team can't run the ball, then you can put up some serious points very fast. I don't know how Fed can build any kind of hype to sell recruits right now though.
If he's a good recruiter he can!

Sell them on what our school has to offer, the NCAA is gone, we have great facilities, a beautiful city, and we wanna build a great football program
 
I also do not like anything I've seen from RB recruiting and coaching - we need a new RB coach.
If that's true why do you always complain that he doesn't give the ball to our talented running backs enough? Does his recruiting suck or does he waste the talent. Can't have it both ways.
 
If that's true why do you always complain that he doesn't give the ball to our talented running backs enough? Does his recruiting suck or does he waste the talent. Can't have it both ways.
What? I assume your math skills stop at simple addition and subtraction.

If we do not have a sound, and tough, RB game, we will never get over the hump. We will never have that RB game we need unless we sign enough talented RBs and properly develop them and use them during games.

Fedora and his RB coaches and OCs have failed at all the above. Fedora's offense will remain a hit or miss patchwork that often makes certain that our D is gassed fairly early and that is a liability inside the 10 until such time as he revises his thinking regarding RBs.
 
What? I assume your math skills stop at simple addition and subtraction.

If we do not have a sound, and tough, RB game, we will never get over the hump. We will never have that RB game we need unless we sign enough talented RBs and properly develop them and use them during games.

Fedora and his RB coaches and OCs have failed at all the above. Fedora's offense will remain a hit or miss patchwork that often makes certain that our D is gassed fairly early and that is a liability inside the 10 until such time as he revises his thinking regarding RBs.
But you've said countless times that the staff has wasted the talented backs we have/had. You can't say we have wasted talent and claim that he doesn't do well recruiting the RB position. Either we have talent or we don't.
 
The hurry up no huddle offense attracts high level offensive talent. And plenty of teams run this style offense and also have dominant defenses. Its about getting top level talent on both sides of the ball. We need for Fed to prove that he can take the recruiting to the next level with the NCAA cloud finally blown over.

We need some serious talent on the D-line so that we can control the line of scrimmage. If you can move the ball quickly with the high power offense, and the other team can't run the ball, then you can put up some serious points very fast. I don't know how Fed can build any kind of hype to sell recruits right now though.
It's more than just getting more talent on D. In fact, that approach will not get the program under Fedora to become a consistent winner. There are inherent flaws in the Fedora offense.

As others have noted, Dabo saved his career at Clemson by making major changes on both sides of the ball. On offense, the changes included increased focus on a somewhat traditional RB game from a shotgun spread. Without that, Clemson could not have beaten Bama.

If Fedora does not make such changes to the way his offense recruits and practices and game plans, then Fedora will remain the type coach who will average 6.5 - 7.5 Ws over the next 4-6 years, with the growing probability that he will become seen by HS coaches and recruits as a boring mediocre coach, which will make our recruiting much harder, which will mean Fedora's career at UNC will end with as much ugly rancor, and as little hope for the immediate future, as did Bunting's..
 
But you've said countless times that the staff has wasted the talented backs we have/had. You can't say we have wasted talent and claim that he doesn't do well recruiting the RB position. Either we have talent or we don't.
We did waste Hood's talent. And we wasted the potential of Ty'Son Williams. And we have failed to land another truly top RB recruit after Hood. It is all true. One true does not make the other two false.

Of course, the underlying issue for many in denying any of this is that I stressed throughout late 2013 and 2014 and into 2015 that playing Marquise Williams at QB made no sense unless he ran the ball all the time, because that was all he was truly good at, and that if we did that, then we would ruin our RB game, and not just while Williams was playing.

I was correct - including in that it would make signing any RBs as highly ranked as Hood a near impossibility.

My gut tells me that the odds of Fedora ever correcting those things at UNC are slim and nearly none. I think that his arrogance about his offense is such that even in the midst of this debacle he is dreaming of how Chazz Surratt will blossom into such a great athlete running the ball that there will be no more worries about RBs.
 
We did waste Hood's talent. And we wasted the potential of Ty'Son Williams. And we have failed to land another truly top RB recruit after Hood. It is all true. One true does not make the other two false.
If he sucks at recruiting RB's why was someone like Hood and Logan on the team? You say we waste talent, but don't do a good job getting talent. That makes no sense. You are leaning too much on recruiting rankings apparently. It's obvious to anyone who has watched UNC play that Carter is a really good RB and much better than his ranking indicated. In other words, they did a good job recruiting him.
 
It's more than just getting more talent on D. In fact, that approach will not get the program under Fedora to become a consistent winner. There are inherent flaws in the Fedora offense.

As others have noted, Dabo saved his career at Clemson by making major changes on both sides of the ball. On offense, the changes included increased focus on a somewhat traditional RB game from a shotgun spread. Without that, Clemson could not have beaten Bama.

If Fedora does not make such changes to the way his offense recruits and practices and game plans, then Fedora will remain the type coach who will average 6.5 - 7.5 Ws over the next 4-6 years, with the growing probability that he will become seen by HS coaches and recruits as a boring mediocre coach, which will make our recruiting much harder, which will mean Fedora's career at UNC will end with as much ugly rancor, and as little hope for the immediate future, as did Bunting's..

Clemson runs the ball with the QB all the time. They run an offense that is extremely similar to what Fed runs.
 
Clemson runs the ball with the QB all the time. They run an offense that is extremely similar to what Fed runs.
Agreed. The issue is execution not the scheme. It doesn't matter what type of offense you run if you can't get a first down consistently.
 
What? I assume your math skills stop at simple addition and subtraction.

If we do not have a sound, and tough, RB game, we will never get over the hump. We will never have that RB game we need unless we sign enough talented RBs and properly develop them and use them during games.

Fedora and his RB coaches and OCs have failed at all the above. Fedora's offense will remain a hit or miss patchwork that often makes certain that our D is gassed fairly early and that is a liability inside the 10 until such time as he revises his thinking regarding RBs.
How would you know? A RB needs a hole to run through. And our OL has been average to bad since all of Butchs recruits left.
 
So if what you assert is true, then Fedora was a damned fool for playing Marquise Williams, who aint got a snowball's chance in Hell of playing QB in the NFL.

Beastly D and tough, top notch RBs.
Just because your not good enough to be a QB in the NFL. Doesn’t mean you're not smart enough to run a pro style offense. MWs biggest attributes were leadership toughness and his legs.
 
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How would you know? A RB needs a hole to run through. And our OL has been average to bad since all of Butchs recruits left.
Wrong. In 2015, our OL was healthy all year and very good.

However, you should be aware that claiming our OL has been bad all the time since Butch's recruits left is anything but a ringing endorsement of Fedora.
 
“I don’t question what we’re doing [or] how we’re going about doing it,” Fedora told reporters on Monday. “… I’m not shaky about my philosophy. I’m not questioning whether I can coach. I’m not questioning whether our coaches can coach. I’m not questioning those kinds of things. I know what we’re doing and the way we’re doing things is proven. You’ve just got to put your head down and you keep grinding and you keep doing it and keep doing it and eventually good things are going to happen.”

Bunting made statements just like that.
 
Wrong. In 2015, our OL was healthy all year and very good.

However, you should be aware that claiming our OL has been bad all the time since Butch's recruits left is anything but a ringing endorsement of Fedora.
Woad u can try to be right all u want. I just have a different viewpoint. To me the game is won or lost on the LOS. And the 15 OL was good or was made looo better because of MWs running abilities. Most years I think the OL pass blocks pretty well. But has not been physical enough to be a ground and pound offense. And with MW and a healthy Hood made the OL look better in the running game. It’s just my opinion. Like you have yours. Now play calling I do scratch my head. Like why run Hood outside on a 3rd and two or three. Ect. But it’s a team game and everyone has to do their job to be successful. I think the backs will be fine if the OL did a better job up front. That’s why I’m all for a fire Kap movement
 
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Fedora’s presser today is why people don’t trust him and don’t have confidence that he can right the ship. The best coaches are still prideful and have confidence to turn it around but when things aren’t going well, they are the first to say hey look this thing isn’t where we want to be and we need to make some changes and adjustments across the board to put ourselves in position to win. There’s accountability and willingness to change. If you aren’t evolving and growing, you are going backwards in this competitive athletic landscape. The used car salesman we have would rather spend his time defending himself because even he knows deep down that the cat is out of the bag and he’s not sure how to fix it. His commitment to continue and do the same things is alarming. Let’s not change the scheme because it’s proven yet we don’t have a QB that can throw the ball down field with any zip or hell even throw it to the right color jersey. Offensive line can’t block a shadow. We can’t convert third downs. Our poor defense plays entirely too many plays because of our offense is awful at this point. We can’t tackle. We have limited discipline and fundamentals. Play calling is questionable. Game management is awful. But other than that, keep doing what you’re doing Fed. At this point, I’m willing to eat a loss to Western if it means he gets the boot.
 
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Back in the Bunting days, one thing I noticed by his 3rd season about his defenders is that very few of them would go on record saying specifically what they thought Bunting should achieve in order to remain.

For those who do not remember, Bunting was 3-9 in his second season. All of us who felt he was a bad hire were calling for him to be fired if Year 3 went the same way. Year 3 opened with 5 consecutive Losses. That meant that many of us were calling for both Bunting and AD Dick Baddour to be fired ASAP. UNC would finish 2-10 in 2003, Bunting's 3rd season. We lost by 38 to Maryland and 37 to FSU. We lost to both Dook and Moo.

To compare, Carl Torbush, who was a terrible hire was fired after seasons of: 7-5, 3-8, 6-5. Torbush had 2 winning seasons, while Bunting had 2 really bad losing teams and only 1 winning team.

So when Baddour kept Bunting, many people became irate. What fascinated and stumped me then was that there were people who had wanted Torbush fired after his 2nd and only losing season who defended Bunting after his 2nd losing season. What that led me to do was start asking all Bunting defenders to state specifically what they felt was enough failure to fire Bunting. Some refused to answer at all. Most who gave an answer did so vaguely, with caveats. One I recall was that 3 losing seasons in a row would be enough to fire him, but that if we won 5 of 11 and had no blowouts and the recruiting seemed good, then he probably should be retained.

Here is what we know from history: Keeping Torbush after his 2nd season (3 Wins) hurt the program. Keeping Bunting after his 2nd season (3 Wins) and his 3rd season (2 wins) hurt the program even more than keeping Torbush another year. A third such coach within 20 years could derail us for another decade.

Again, I will note why I think Fedora should be fired.

1. We are 1-4 in post-season games (1-3 in bowls and 0-1 in ACC championship game: the one win against Cincy, which is not in a Power 5 league)

2. With the exception of 2012, his 1st season when he has SRs, JRs, and RS Sophs recruited and coached by Butch, Fedora ends the year with a limp wrist that puts a damper on the entire season and the upcoming Signing Day. In 2013, we lost to Dook to end the regular season. In 2014, we ended the season with losses to Moo and Rutgers (Rutgers - the biggest joke in all P5 football history). In 2015, we ended with losses to Clemson and, embarrassingly, to Baylor. In 2016, we lost 3 of the final 4 games, including to Dook and Moo.

3. Fedora is 2-9 versus non-ACC P5 teams. Both wins were against Illinois, and both Illinois teams finished with a losing record. In 6 seasons, Fedora will have produced 0 wins against non-ACC P-5 teams.

4. Over the previous 23 games, we are only 9-14: 5 games below .500. That is a huge Trending Down that is about much more than 1 season with multiple injuries. Worse, 2 of the ins came against 1AA (FCS) teams. So, over the past 23 games, Fedora has a grand total of 7 wins over 1A teams. One of the 7 Wins (the only 1 this year) is against Old Dominion, which is a brand new baby in 1A football.

5. Fedora's record against teams that were ranked when we played them: 4 and 13.

6. The 2015 season that must be the focus of any defense of Fedora is not that impressive when you look closely at it. We lost to SoCar, which finished 3-9. We beat 2 1AA teams. Of the 9 Wins vs. 1A teams, 4 had Losing records (Illinois, GT, Wake, UVA), 1 was 6-6 in regular season (VT), and 4 had winning records (Pitt, Miami, Dook, Moo). Only Pitt was ranked when we beat them.

To help get a handle on how weak our 2015 schedule was - that same year, Alabama played 6 ranked teams during its regular season.

7. Vic Koenning before Fedora was a good (not great) DC. Under Fedora, Koenning sucked to high heaven. After Fedora, Koenning has gone back to being a good DC. Before Fedora, Chizik produced the best D in the country at Auburn; won a National title as DC at Texas; won a National tittle as Auburn HC with a very good D. Under Fedora, Chizik looked like an average DC.

Perhaps Fedora makes all DCs worse than they would be otherwise.
 
More Fedora arrogance: "If they really, truly understand the game of football and they really, truly love this program they will understand what is going on."

Bunting and his biggest supporters said similar things. Most coaches who feel heat make such a statement, which means: The only people who dare voice any problems with what I am doing are people who do not understand the game, and all who truly love the program back me.
 
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Larry can say what Larry wants. I understand they have had injuries. What team hasn't? South Carolina has lost their standout wideout, best running back, and another starting wideout to the same injury that required surgery. Also have been playing without 2/3 of their starting offensive line. Are they going to the playoff? No. But they have soldiered on. As long as Fedora has been here, there should be more depth in place. Never was excited about this hire. This thing is going to end when the powers that be decide that they want to actually compete in the league, or is it enough to be decent and sneak into some non-descript bowl every year. Lots of candidates at lesser situations that where UNC would be a step up for them.
 
fedora will not be fired until he's had a couple years to recruit with no ncaa investigation. And the injuries this year are not just the usual attrition coaches are supposed to cope with. it's been a bizarre unprecedented epidemic of season ending injuries to key players. larry's huge buyout is a factor too -- it wasn't that long ago we paid millions to Butch and I can't imagine the powers that be want to dish out more of that kind of money for an ex-coach's extended vacation, not to mention the small fortune we've recently paid in attorney's fees. I've been critical of larry's coaching ability but the fact is he gets at least two years at unc with no ncaa investigation and a normal injured list. a case can be made for firing him now, but it won't happen.
 
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