That tells you all you need to know about how putrid this effort was. I think the players know better than to call out the fans like Roy did bc they know they can't come with it for any significant stretch of games. Crowd sounded like they were there and loud. Maybe they need to be quieter bc We had no problem at all vs GT
First loss to state in chapel hill under Roy
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I hate to admit it, but it does look like the trajectory is really pointing down. Williams' teams are rarely 2-5 over a stretch in this part of the season. The injuries have hurt, but I can't imagine those equate into the inconsistency and lack of ability to finish the games.
Oh well. If all our Juniors come back, maybe next year will be better.
Oh well. If all our Juniors come back, maybe next year will be better.
They are hard to understand - games where we score 50 pts with Meeks/Johnson/hicks alone, then this. If they don't get the job done we get very easy to beat, and they just aren't that consistent. And yup the recruiting needs to stop being a sad story too
We just scored 46 points in a 60 possession game against the 124th best defense in the country.
We're just not all that good.
5 losses in 7 games, 2 road games upcoming so we will probably be an underdog in at least 1 of them and Duke to finish the season.
This is a basketball disaster isn't it?
We're just not all that good.
5 losses in 7 games, 2 road games upcoming so we will probably be an underdog in at least 1 of them and Duke to finish the season.
This is a basketball disaster isn't it?
This team's really no better than last year's team and won't be better next year if no one can shoot the ball next year too.
It's the most important skill in today's game. Shooting from distance. And we have really 0 consistent perimeter shooters.
4 losses at home, 3 in conference, two against really mediocre teams (Iowa and NCSU) - and we should've been able to hand with ND and UVA at home, too. I just don't get how this team looks so much like 10 individuals at this point in the season. No talking, no help, no fire, no awareness, no toughness. Honestly I don't know how they step up and win another game. I'd say they have some soul searching to do but that should've come long ago.
Plenty of blame to go around, and I didn't see the game, but how does Marcus get like 1 or two shots in the first half and 2 points? Is Roy actually even coaching these guys? Do we even have a game plan? Does he tell them what to run, and where to look for shots? or are guys like Tokoto just incapable of listening?
Sorry for the incoherent ramble. Very frustrated / disappointed. This is an off year and we have no stars, and our good not great player is hurt, but still we are way underachieving. To me we look at about 40-60% of what our talent should be capable. To me, that's on Roy. I'm tired of the self deprecating speeches. Do something to fix it, or hand over the reins to someone who wants to.
Plenty of blame to go around, and I didn't see the game, but how does Marcus get like 1 or two shots in the first half and 2 points? Is Roy actually even coaching these guys? Do we even have a game plan? Does he tell them what to run, and where to look for shots? or are guys like Tokoto just incapable of listening?
Sorry for the incoherent ramble. Very frustrated / disappointed. This is an off year and we have no stars, and our good not great player is hurt, but still we are way underachieving. To me we look at about 40-60% of what our talent should be capable. To me, that's on Roy. I'm tired of the self deprecating speeches. Do something to fix it, or hand over the reins to someone who wants to.
This season, and the last month has really surprised me. I realize the death of Coach Smith has been a huge distraction and difficult aspect for Williams in particular. But, it seems like it's a bit more unsettling. Since the 2012 team, it's been sort of a let-down. And, from 2009-12 was kinda the same. Barnes, Hairston, Bullock were all shooters. Since they left, Paige has been the only shooter and he's not even on the level as the other three I mentioned, at least not this season. I hope the freshmen can find their shot. I don't even know any of the incoming kids' names!
The sky isn't falling but tonight showed us one real weakness of the Heels. Big, physical teams will swallow up Brice, Kennedy, and Isaiah and force Paige/Tokoto/Britt/Jackson to beat them from outside. Without a 2nd long range option (or a 1st with the way Paige has been chucking away because he's double teamed), the Heels will struggle to compete.
Thats pretty spot on. And if both Ingram and Brown choose to play somewhere else, I feel you're right.
ACC Tournament maybe, but Roy has never lost an opening round game so I don't see this team starting that now.
you also listed 3 guys that could have been either 1 or 2 and done guys. None of the guys since those core players have been that talented. On the current roster, IMO, none of those guys are 1st round picks after 1 or 2 seasons. Someone may draft them, but IMO, they're not that talented.
I don't think they will lose in the first round of either, but I don't expect them to go far in either. I think they will beat Miami and Ga Tech, but will lose to dook. I never thought this team had the weapons to make a deep run in the NCAA anyway. They could possibly win the ACC if UVa and/or dook lose before the championship game.
I'm not sure what to make of the team since Zeller and Company left. They have not replaced and replenished the positions with anywhere near the same talent as the 2012 team.
If this team can't come together and win 2 or 3 more games, I'm not so sure they belong in the NCAA Tournament! Who are the quality wins against...a not so great shooting Louisville and a mediocre Ohio State?
this is just not a very good Carolina team.i have said this all year.the few "big" games they have won they played above their heads and haven't since.never thought I would wish the season was over this quick like the NIT team a couple of years ago.at least that team had an excuse.they lost 4 starters to the NBA.maybe we can get a couple of the top 5's we are after. that surely couldn't hurt.it's looking more and more like a 7 seed team if we are lucky.
Jesus Christ guys, settle down. State had a hell of a game plan, we missed tons of easy shots, we made stupid turnovers at the end of the game.
This loss damn sure isn't Roys fault. Our guys showed signs of life, our crowd was great, our shots just didn't fall down low and we lost. The world isn't ending. a lot of you guys sound like a bunch of state fans.
This loss damn sure isn't Roys fault. Our guys showed signs of life, our crowd was great, our shots just didn't fall down low and we lost. The world isn't ending. a lot of you guys sound like a bunch of state fans.
um, yup...this isn't getting easier from what i'm being told.
carolina should've been a lean for dozier...was a lean for woods....it's not happening now.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but the post makes it sounds like this was some great confluence of events that caused us to lose - state's game plan, us missing easy shots, TOs. The problem is we have read this story too many times this year - Iowa, butler, etc. that and the added fact that we have blown huge leads in wins (OSU, state the first time, v tech) and losses (Louisville and dook) causes me at least to think that second round is a realistic ncaa projection for the third straight year. Not exactly unc standards. The weak recruiting (not even some four star peeps who can shoot) doesn't make the picture look much more bright. Things can change and I hope they do. it's just hard to be very optimistic right now. Would love to hear some reasons we should be - I can use some
Hard to lay this on Roy. He always has his team ready for State. I mean, we got a bunch of good looks close to the basket early on. They just sucked on offense all night long. Hell, State only shot 35% and beat us by 12!! It is all on offense, which is where we know we have issues. The one thing that is 100% on Roy is the late game execution, which continues to be awful. They need to take practice time and work specifically on what to do late, what plays to run to get specific shots, who needs to shoot it, etc... I can't imagine there has been a worse team in late game situations except for maybe Georgis Tech that I've seen all year.
This one wasn't. I didn't see Roy missing all those shots point blank at the basket. We held them to 35% shooting just gotta make shots.
Maybe you guys are right Lets Fire Roy. Better yet lets go hang him in effigy.
Maybe you guys are right Lets Fire Roy. Better yet lets go hang him in effigy.
Its hard to be able to coach a team when you dont have the pieces to run the team like you want to. Every team Roy has excelled with had a star PG, talented wing scorers that were all capable of 20 any given night, and a dominant low post scorer. The only thing we have that even resembles those things is Brice Johnson. Roy is over 60 years old, you cant expect him to become something that he isnt or do something different than what hes been doing for 25 years. Its like expecting Nick Saban to win without a star running back and poweful O-Line. Roy has never been the coach to take 3/4 star players and mold them into his system and be a powerhouse, why would you expect him to be able to do that in the twighlight of his career. We were the undisputed kingpin of college basketball from 2005-2010, but thats history. These last 5 years have been middle of the pack production and thats not acceptable. The game has passed Roy by, and its time to accept it
Well you have to give the credit to state, they OUTPLAYED UNC last night and they OUTCOACHED UNC last night. No doubt. The truth is, this is one of the worst UNC teams in history looking at it from a talent perspective. It is going to be a few bad years in chapel hill until the scandal passes and UNC starts getting elite recruits again.
well, the offense isn't changing unless you change the entire staff...he doesn't have the right team to run and he obviously doesn't care to adjust much because he's too stubborn and as mentioned countless times, the bball iq on this team is awful.
other than that, it looks like another first weekend exit in dance...if people can live with these results, then i guess we shouldn't expect more.
other than that, it looks like another first weekend exit in dance...if people can live with these results, then i guess we shouldn't expect more.
I'm not real sure how people want him to adjust. Technically, with our frontcourt we should be ok in the halfcourt running our sets. Even last night they got good shots. The spacing issue is not really relevant since our guys don't drive much anyway. Then, without shooters none of that really matters since when they pack it down we won't make them. Running with this team makes more sense than ever, which is what we try and do. I mean, lineup wise what do people suggest? More of who? Britt and Berry? Last night they killed us. Hicks? Last night, in a halfcourt game, he was not at all composed. Roy has missed on some guys. If you want to put that on him, which is reasonable, then fine. What else can he do with the talent he has.
I've posted what I think, which is run more sets and less freelance and shoot more. I know they can't shoot but if it is a halfcourt game that is the only way to get the defense out of packing it in. So it is shoot open jumpers or grind against what the defense is collapsing to. My philosophy would be to shoot the open jumpers and tell the guys 'hit them or lose'. I mean, at some point college players should be expected to make open shots. I love the guys on this team but the talent is just ok. They are fun to watch at times but still, just ok talent wise. Add to that the parts that are missing (penetration and shooting) are huge aspects of the college game. Tough to win without good guards who can penetrate and shoot. You just can't hardly do it.
I've posted what I think, which is run more sets and less freelance and shoot more. I know they can't shoot but if it is a halfcourt game that is the only way to get the defense out of packing it in. So it is shoot open jumpers or grind against what the defense is collapsing to. My philosophy would be to shoot the open jumpers and tell the guys 'hit them or lose'. I mean, at some point college players should be expected to make open shots. I love the guys on this team but the talent is just ok. They are fun to watch at times but still, just ok talent wise. Add to that the parts that are missing (penetration and shooting) are huge aspects of the college game. Tough to win without good guards who can penetrate and shoot. You just can't hardly do it.
Yes it is. All losses are Roy's fault. And all wins are credited to the players. Coach Smith would agree.
Seriously. That's ONE home loss to state in TWELVE years. It was a dumpster fire and it sucked to watch, but the overreacting is crazy. Roy is only 5 years out from a national championship, and there's no reason to think we can't get there again. It takes everything going right plus a bit of luck to have that kind of season. I think it's far more likely to happen with Roy and his excellent staff in place than it is without him.
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... and only 3 seasons ago we would've been playing for the Natty if not for total thuggery from the team-who-must-not-be-named.
This board is so ammusing after a loss, isn't it?
