TarHeelIllustrated - Frosh Camaign Gave Cadeau Fuel for His Next Step
To many, a lasting image of Elliot Cadeau’s freshman season is him sitting on the bench over the final 15:30 of North
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I firmly disagree that the bulk of his scoring coming from the mid-range is a good thing. But hopefully he drastically improves on the 32.8% he shot on non-rim 2s last year (per BartTorvik). But if he turns out to be a plus mid-range shooter, then great.I believe EC will put in some ALL-ACC type work this season! To be clear, I mean 1st Team ALL ACC. This means he will find ways to score, he will play good D, and he will shoot with confidence and effectiveness. I believe the bulk of his scoring will be in the mid-range, however and this is a great thing!
Well, I didn't say Cadeau being a plus mid-range shooter would be a bad thing. I said "But if he turns out to be a plus mid-range shooter, then great."Why would him being a + mid range scorer possibly be a bad thing??? It seems obvious to me that scoring from the point is always good and if he is dangerous in the Mid range the defense has to react much more than before! This means multiple peeps collapsing on him and providing drop off and kick outs for more.open opportunities. Hubs spent time bringing in and developing shooters so EC skewing the D is great! I don't see a single connection between mid range and freethrow shooting. But it does mean he will get more opportunities so I'm sure he is working on that.
If RJ and Tyson are north of 40% from 3, yes I want them shooting 3s over Cadeau mid range 2s.You said this:
" firmly disagree that the bulk of his scoring coming from the mid-range is a good thing"
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"I would much rather have UNC's best shooters shooting a 3."
So since we agree that EC hasn't been one of the best 3 point shooters and we know he needs to score; why wouldn't we want him to get better at the mid-range? Floaters, turnarounds, shorter jumpers are all mid-range and he can hit them. Once our new look bigs open up the lane, don't you expect him to shoot a better % at the rim??? FT and 3 pt shots are more confidence based than mid-range or at the rim finishes! I expect him to become way more proficient at finishing at the rim and floaters/short shots. I also feel he will shoot better from 3 too, but as long as he shoots with confidence and scores more we are golden!
"And no kidding if he makes a shot it’s better than a missed shot. Who’s arguing the other way???" Answer to your question is YOU !!!If RJ and Tyson are north of 40% from 3, yes I want them shooting 3s over Cadeau mid range 2s.
His floater game was horrendous last year. And I’ve mentioned that getting a floater game could be a game changer from him. I’m not all that worried about his finishing. While I think his layup game needs quite a bit of work, that’s not an area that’s a problem for him.
Also, I’ve never said you should avoid shots at the rim. I do think your offense should avoid mid range and long 2s. I don’t think an offense should only shoot 3s, lol. I know mid range shots will happen during the flow of a game. What I don’t want is Cadeau being left wide ass open from 3 and being afraid to shoot the open 3.
And no kidding if he makes a shot it’s better than a missed shot. Who’s arguing the other way??? Lol. I want UNC to win games. I don’t want them only winning games if they make a ton of 3s, lol.
Entirely false premise!If RJ and Tyson are north of 40% from 3, yes I want them shooting 3s over Cadeau mid range 2s.
His floater game was horrendous last year. And I’ve mentioned that getting a floater game could be a game changer from him. I’m not all that worried about his finishing. While I think his layup game needs quite a bit of work, that’s not an area that’s a problem for him.
Also, I’ve never said you should avoid shots at the rim. I do think your offense should avoid mid range and long 2s. I don’t think an offense should only shoot 3s, lol. I know mid range shots will happen during the flow of a game. What I don’t want is Cadeau being left wide ass open from 3 and being afraid to shoot the open 3.
And no kidding if he makes a shot it’s better than a missed shot. Who’s arguing the other way??? Lol. I want UNC to win games. I don’t want them only winning games if they make a ton of 3s, lol.
It is not ridiculous to say Cadeau's 3PT shooting will not be connected to his 2PT shooting. If he needs to be guarded out to 3, it will make the entire freaking team better, including Cadeau. If he isn't, you're hoping that he can make mid-range jumpers consistently because you're taking away a potential way for him to score. Watch teams defend Dillon Brooks or Marcus Smart. How far an opponent defends players plays a very important factor in everything.Entirely false premise!
It is ridiculous to say a 3-point shooter's usage is somehow connected to EC making 2s. They are two different things, obviously! 1. Tyson and RJ should take the vast majority of our 3s. 2. EC hitting a floater, or any mid-range shot has nothing to do with either of them getting theirs! 3. EC hitting mid-range or rim shits skews the D so RJ and Tyson get more shots and easier shots! 4. Not one soul advocated for it being good for EC to pass up wide open 3-point shots! 5. Confidence is the only thing wrong with his free-throws and his 3 pointers! 6. I want EC taking open shots every time 2 conditions are met: A. He is on balance and the shot flowed from the offense. & B. He doesn't see anybody with a better shot!
Can't remember how many times I tried to say it during the season:BTW: 97% of the above is either completely wrong or simply negative spin on what is really happening!
Cadeau said. "Something I never experienced in my life, not having the green light. So it just messed with me a little mentally, and I think I've adjusted well."
Bacot is not walking thru that door any longer with NCAA eligibility and I could go on for weeks on how that is a hard thing to deal thru for this coming season, I would not be telling anyone anything they don't already know. I believe it was Julie Andrews that said the amazing words "when God closes a door, some place he opens a window". The heck am I talking about, LOL? Give me a second to explain!BTW: 97% of the above is either completely wrong or simply negative spin on what is really happening!
EC has nothing wrong mechanically with his shot! EC suffered from the adjustment to college and confidence. IN his own words he said and it was confirmed by coaches and peeps who played with him in the past that:
"Cadeau said his shooting struggles weren't the result of any mechanical issues. Transitioning into a new role at the college level played more of a factor.
"It was just a big difference for me, a big adjustment," Cadeau said. "Something I never experienced in my life, not having the green light. So it just messed with me a little mentally, and I think I've adjusted well."
Case closed and expect him to take it personally if peeps want to sag off him this year! I truly wish they would!
LOL, so I would add to your counter and ask if it would have been better to pull Cadeau or pull Bacot and of course pulling Bacot would have been a harder decision. Clearly, if a kid is not getting it done on either end pulling him is not that bad a pill to swallow. But have to keep in mind, it wasn't just Cadeau that struggled to drive or jump shoot, RJ did as well. Just as clear is the fact that our back court was having to contend with a severe size mismatch that was just going to be a problem, a problem that I do feel using Seth more would have helped more in that second half. But don't really want to talk or re-argue that 1 game, it was one game after all, no matter the stakes.I counter with an alternate idea: EC was put on the bench because he was getting cooked trying to defend AND he was not contributing on O. It was crunch time and simply helping solve his offensive struggles wouldn't get us back in the game! It would also be debilitating for him to leave him out there to struggle!
Hubs' decision turned the game around and gave us a chance to win!
Let's celebrate the fact that this excellent young man used it as fuel to improve and didn't transfer or pout!
Sorry to disagree, but Eliot's role and psyche was simply not managed optimally by the staff from the get-go. I know you love Hubert (as do I) but this wasn't his best look. EC should have started from game-one and been encouraged to shoot. I told folks on here that not doing that would hurt his confidence and it sure as hell did.,I counter with an alternate idea: EC was put on the bench because he was getting cooked trying to defend AND he was not contributing on O. It was crunch time and simply helping solve his offensive struggles wouldn't get us back in the game! It would also be debilitating for him to leave him out there to struggle!
Hubs' decision turned the game around and gave us a chance to win!
Let's celebrate the fact that this excellent young man used it as fuel to improve and didn't transfer or pout!