Future schedules

[90sWoollenGymRat]

One reason for our terrible record is our crazy OOC schedule playing a handful of Top 10/25 teams. I believe Hubert admitted the schedule was plain stupid.

If we are stuck in the freaking Oh State, UCLA and UK "CBS" tournament every year, then get some creampuffs at home on the schedule early on to build depth and confidence for the team. Maybe get out of that stupid contract for starters.

Maybe play a home-away with a OOC blue blood program each year, but that is it. We get dook 2-3 times a year so we don't need to go find rivalry games.

How about doing a 4 team tournament in G-boro and Charlotte in rotating years vs in-state schools like UNCA, App State, Elon, UNCC, WCU, ECU, NC A&T, etc. Help the little NC schools while feasting on them in front of Tar Heels further west in the state. We get 2 easy wins to help the team get ready for the ACC and later ncaaT.

Don't give me the RPI/NET crap, a 20+ win UNC team is never being left out of the ncaaT. Now losing to Big 10, SEC and Big East schools in a tough schedule will keep us home during March madness like this year.

 

[TarHeelFanJ]

“lets water down our schedule so we can actually win”

no thanks. we are UNC. does Duke/Kansas/Kentucky need to do this to be successful?

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

“lets water down our schedule so we can actually win”

no thanks. we are UNC. does Duke/Kansas/Kentucky need to do this to be successful?

Also, quit inventing BS I did not type. I said we need to create a more manageable schedule with 1-3 tough OOC games. More OOC games in CH, Charlotte and G-boro is better than going to Hawaii against 3-4 Top 20 teams. I'd rather face those teams as the 1 seed in the ncaaT.

Our schedule looks pretty stupid vs the other blue blood given we had 7 tough OOC games with 1 freakin game at home. Plus 3 of our neutral games were crammed together in HI not some friendly Wednesday game in Chicago with prep time for that 1 game.

UK's OOC legit games...(3-2)
W over dook on neutral court
L at clempson
W over Gonzaga on neutral court
L to Oh State on neutral court
W over Louisville at home

dook's legit OOC games...(2-2)
L to UK on neutral court
W @ Zona
L vs Kansas on neutral court
W vs Auburn at home

Kansas...(4-2)
W over UNC at home
W over dook on neutral court
W over Mich State on neutral court
L @ Creighton
L @ Mizzou
W vs ncsu at home

UNC...(2-5)
L @ Kansas
W vs Dayton on neutral court
L vs Auburn on neutral court
L vs Mich State on neutral court
L vs Bama at home
L vs Florida on neutral court
W vs UCLA on neutral court

 

[sctarheel30]

Scheduling isn’t the issue. We have always played a tough ooc schedule which is better than playing the local YMCA. It’s just the way we have played in them can’t get down by 20 points and have to come back all the time.

 

[tarheels0015]

“lets water down our schedule so we can actually win”

no thanks. we are UNC. does Duke/Kansas/Kentucky need to do this to be successful?

That's what K done for years to blow up his win total ... let's dont be like K & be a dick !

 

[UNC-75]

Instead of watering down the schedule why don't we just get better players?

 

[sctarheel30]

Instead of watering down the schedule why don't we just get better players?

What an idea

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

dook has wisely played creampuffs at home with Top 10 games on neutral courts to fluff up their wins and ncaaT seeding each year. I am shocked they went to Zona this year so maybe Scheyer is different but we still played more tough OOC games than any of the other blue bloods listed above.

It is common sense to play easy games at home to get your team to build confidence, depth and rhythm to play 1-3 tough OOC games on neutral floors and to win the ACC which matters more than beating Kansas in November. You don't want your team to be beaten down like a shelter dog like our team is this year with Top 25 matchups every F-ng week before the ACC began.

Even Hubert said he is quitting the 3-game tournaments that wore them down. The only damn tournaments that matter are the ACCT and ncaaT.

The ACC will always screw us in the Big 10/SEC BS match-ups, while dook gets favorable treatment each year so why make things worse scheduling other Top 10 teams for no reason. We will get the SEC's #1 team next year again.....

 

[RoseHeel]

It only "looks stupid" to you because Hubert lost them.

Our strength of schedule was the only thing that kept us on the bubble until February. Tough opponents and quality losses are huge resume boosters come tourney time. Or at least they would be if Hubert was capable of winning Q1 games.

The fact you're suggesting we dilute our SOS really shows how far this program has fallen in 4 years. We use to laugh at K and Dook for playing creampuff OOC schedules. If our players and staff can't handle adversity anymore we need to find people who can. Unless we'd rather renounce our status as an elite program.

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

It only "looks stupid" to you because Hubert lost them.

Our strength of schedule was the only thing that kept us on the bubble until February. Tough opponents and quality losses are huge resume boosters come tourney time. Or at least they would be if Hubert was capable of winning Q1 games.

The fact you're suggesting we dilute our SOS really shows how far this program has fallen in 4 years. We use to laugh at K and Dook for playing creampuff OOC schedules. If our players and staff can't handle adversity anymore we need to find people who can. Unless we'd rather renounce our status as an elite program.

If we did not go to Kansas to lose, Hawaii to lose 2 games and only lost to Bama and Florida...we would not have been a bubble team in November. Do you think being called a bubble team based on OOC losses is a good thing going into the ACC???

Add 3-4 OOC wins before the ACC maybe this team has more confidence and momentum going into the ACC. Instead we limped into the ACC and lost key games to where the bubble is blown up.

This is 2025, not the 80, 90s, etc where we dominated anyone we played. Over-scheduling is a real thing and Davis almost lost his job over it....he ain't making that mistake again.

 

[sctarheel30]

UNC runs from nobody. Recruit better and coach better and we will be ok

 

[notashelbyfan]

Good teams are good teams so what does the schedule matter?

We have never heard of anyone saying we need to schedule worse teams until we hired a shitty coach.

The reason Carolina has always played a tough schedule is because we have always been preparing our teams to win national championships, not trying to rack up wins to just get into the tournament.

This way of thinking is just warming up to the fact that we will be UCLA or Indiana in the next 5 years if we don't fire Hubert and get a coach.

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

Good teams are good teams so what does the schedule matter?

We have never heard of anyone saying we need to schedule worse teams until we hired a shitty coach.

The reason Carolina has always played a tough schedule is because we have always been preparing our teams to win national championships, not trying to rack up wins to just get into the tournament.

This way of thinking is just warming up to the fact that we will be UCLA or Indiana in the next 5 years if we don't fire Hubert and get a coach.

Uh going to #2 Kansas for game 2 with a team full of new players in true FR Jackson and Powell and transfers Lubin, Tyson and Claude is pretty stupid. I don't think Dean or Roy did that with experienced Top 10 teams. How about going to Kansas 6-7 games later in the season? Skip the Maui trip and play a Top 10 team instead or just do Maui and no road game at Kansas.

 

[RoseHeel]

If we did not go to Kansas to lose, Hawaii to lose 2 games and only lost to Bama and Florida...we would not have been a bubble team in November. Do you think being called a bubble team based on OOC losses is a good thing going into the ACC???

And if he had won those games he wouldn't be on the hotseat or the bubble. But he didn't, and so he is. Coulda woulda shoulda.

This is 2025, not the 80, 90s, etc where we dominated anyone we played. Over-scheduling is a real thing and Davis almost lost his job over it.

Probably would've been better for everyone if he had, but I digress.

What you call "overscheduling" is just playing a tough schedule. Maybe you're new, but UNC has always played top teams and there were no complaints. In fact, most people enjoyed it back then. Even during the scandal years Roy had no problem playing elite teams and making the tournament consistently. More often than not, we were the elite team.

But now that the programs is in the toilet and the new head coach can't handle tough games we have to water down our expectations to suit his needs? Fk that.

Like I said, if hubcap is too afraid of getting exposed by competition four years in we should just let him go now. A GM isn't going to fix s**t.

 

[sctarheel30]

And if he had won those games he wouldn't be on the hotseat or the bubble. But he didn't, and so he is. Coulda woulda shoulda.

Probably would've been better for everyone if he had, but I digress.

What you call "overscheduling" is just playing a tough schedule. Maybe you're new, but UNC has always played top teams and there were no complaints. In fact, most people enjoyed it back then. Even during the scandal years Roy had no problem playing elite teams and making the tournament consistently. More often than not, we were the elite team.

But now that the programs is in the toilet and the new head coach can't handle tough games we have to water down our expectations to suit his needs? Fk that.

Like I said, if hubcap is too afraid of getting exposed by competition four years in we should just let him go now. A GM isn't going to fix s**t.

Can I get an amen!!

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

And if he had won those games he wouldn't be on the hotseat or the bubble. But he didn't, and so he is. Coulda woulda shoulda.

Probably would've been better for everyone if he had, but I digress.

What you call "overscheduling" is just playing a tough schedule. Maybe you're new, but UNC has always played top teams and there were no complaints. In fact, most people enjoyed it back then. Even during the scandal years Roy had no problem playing elite teams and making the tournament consistently. More often than not, we were the elite team.

But now that the programs is in the toilet and the new head coach can't handle tough games we have to water down our expectations to suit his needs? Fk that.

Like I said, if hubcap is too afraid of getting exposed by competition four years in we should just let him go now. A GM isn't going to fix s**t.

I am not new to UNC BBall. Don't try to tell me I don't know squat about UNC BBall. Going to Kansas for game 2 is F-ng stupid. How about getting some experience with the team playing together with 5 brand new players? If we were a legit Top 10 team coming off a Final 4/Elite 8 with 80% of that team back, then a road game to Kansas would be ok if about 7-8 games into the freakin season.

The Maui tournament put this team in a tailspin, again this team never got synched together with reliance on Jackson and Powell as true FR getting major minutes without a bunch of creampuff games to grow up. Davis said he is not doing those 3 game tournaments anymore since it wore down the team.

The better model is to win 4-5 home games vs creampuff city then schedule some Top 10 match-up for primetime in NYC or Chicago then some middle of the road teams at home/away/neutral before the ACC. The ACC season should be our focus every damn year, not trying to play 4-5 Top 25 teams OOC that leads to nothing. Win the ACC we are a 1 seed every damn year.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Also, quit inventing BS I did not type. I said we need to create a more manageable schedule with 1-3 tough OOC games. More OOC games in CH, Charlotte and G-boro is better than going to Hawaii against 3-4 Top 20 teams. I'd rather face those teams as the 1 seed in the ncaaT.

Our schedule looks pretty stupid vs the other blue blood given we had 7 tough OOC games with 1 freakin game at home. Plus 3 of our neutral games were crammed together in HI not some friendly Wednesday game in Chicago with prep time for that 1 game.

UK's OOC legit games...(3-2)
W over dook on neutral court
L at clempson
W over Gonzaga on neutral court
L to Oh State on neutral court
W over Louisville at home

dook's legit OOC games...(2-2)
L to UK on neutral court
W @ Zona
L vs Kansas on neutral court
W vs Auburn at home

Kansas...(4-2)
W over UNC at home
W over dook on neutral court
W over Mich State on neutral court
L @ Creighton
L @ Mizzou
W vs ncsu at home

UNC...(2-5)
L @ Kansas
W vs Dayton on neutral court
L vs Auburn on neutral court
L vs Mich State on neutral court
L vs Bama at home
L vs Florida on neutral court
W vs UCLA on neutral court

Duke has an OOC game w/ Illinois on Saturday..neutral site...they just recently dropped out of the top25.....did you include Dayton?

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

It only "looks stupid" to you because Hubert lost them.

Our strength of schedule was the only thing that kept us on the bubble until February. Tough opponents and quality losses are huge resume boosters come tourney time. Or at least they would be if Hubert was capable of winning Q1 games.

The fact you're suggesting we dilute our SOS really shows how far this program has fallen in 4 years. We use to laugh at K and Dook for playing creampuff OOC schedules. If our players and staff can't handle adversity anymore we need to find people who can. Unless we'd rather renounce our status as an elite program.

disagree w/ the duke creampuff ooc schedule...duke has always played top teams in the ooc...now the home and homes fell away, but duke has always scheduled top teams in neutral site large venues for $ and ncaa tourney feels...ny/nj/chicago/vegas....arizona was the start of new home/homes and i believe scheyer will continue those

 

[RoseHeel]

I am not new to UNC BBall. Don't try to tell me I don't know squat about UNC BBall. Going to Kansas for game 2 is F-ng stupid. How about getting some experience with the team playing together with 5 brand new players? If we were a legit Top 10 team coming off a Final 4/Elite 8 with 80% of that team back, then a road game to Kansas would be ok if about 7-8 games into the freakin season.

So the issue is that instead of being a legit Top 10 program coming off a Final 4/Elite 8, we were...a legit top 10 program coming off a #1 Seed?

Roy beat 3 Top 5 teams in the first 9 Games with much less than what you just described. I don't want to hear jack about "Kansas in game 2". The home-and-home was scheduled a year and a half in advance. You act like we knew where they'd be ranked a season in the future.

The Maui tournament put this team in a tailspin, again this team never got synched together with reliance on Jackson and Powell as true FR getting major minutes without a bunch of creampuff games to grow up. Davis said he is not doing those 3 game tournaments anymore since it wore down the team.

Both these things reflect poorly on our coaching, not the result of playing a tough schedule. It's an excuse, and pathetic one.

The better model is to win 4-5 home games vs creampuff city then schedule some Top 10 match-up for primetime in NYC or Chicago then some middle of the road teams at home/away/neutral before the ACC. The ACC season should be our focus every damn year, not trying to play 4-5 Top 25 teams OOC that leads to nothing. Win the ACC we are a 1 seed every damn year.

We are in a bog water conference with its best days behind them. The ACC tournament winner last year was a 10 seed. If you can't win in this cakewalk conference with the resources we have, you shouldn't be here.

We are UNC, not some "middle of the road team". We belong with the Kansases and Kentuckys, not the Chicago and Chicago States. Anyone who knows and loves UNC Basketball should know this.

 

[90sWoollenGymRat]

So the issue is that instead of being a legit Top 10 program coming off a Final 4/Elite 8, we were...a legit top 10 program coming off a #1 Seed?

Roy beat 3 Top 5 teams in the first 9 Games with much less than what you just described. I don't want to hear jack about "Kansas in game 2". The home-and-home was scheduled a year and a half in advance. You act like we knew where they'd be ranked a season in the future.

Both these things reflect poorly on our coaching, not the result of playing a tough schedule. It's an excuse, and pathetic one.

We are in a bog water conference with its best days behind them. The ACC tournament winner last year was a 10 seed. If you can't win in this cakewalk conference with the resources we have, you shouldn't be here.

We are UNC, not some "middle of the road team". We belong with the Kansases and Kentuckys, not the Chicago and Chicago States. Anyone who knows and loves UNC Basketball should know this.

I guarantee Davis will not repeat that mistake going to a Top 5 team's court before we have a couple games under our belt.

I bet Self demands they get 3-4 games next year before they roll into CH. He ain't stupid...

If we beat a Top 10 dook each year for the ACC regular season champ, we will be a 1 seed....like last year.

 

[sctarheel30]

Kansas sucks btw they just lost to byu by 34 so that means we really suck idk