Grayson Allen back to Duke - quotes inside

[dadika13]

A Grayson Allen thread is dominating this board right now!!..who cares about those clowns..only reason they're giving us props is because we lost!!..they took a big sigh of relief and gave a big thank you to god after that game!!..take this thread over to whatever it's called!!

Dominating? One post dude. The other 99 are about the title game, the officials sucking, and next season's squad.

So relax.

 

[TRU CANE]

I don't put much stock into ratings. Greg Paulus was a five star guard and kyrie Irving was a five star guard. There isn't one person on earth who ever believed that those two were even in the same room in terms of talent. The same goes for Okafor and Jeter. REGARDLESS of what the kids at Carolina were rated out of high school, I saw them play the previous two to three years and they became proven guys who exhibited tremendous talent and ability. There was no question Carolina should have been the favorites. If this were the NBA Carolina wins every series easily.

 

[GoDukeDevils]

You confuse talent with team, we were ranked the best team based on experience and depth, we were not considered the most talented team. Actually duke, ky, and kansas were considered more talented. Going in to this past season we did not have a single player that was considered a lotto selection, we did not have a single player considered to be a NBA starter, not sure that has changed much since with the maybe exception of Brice and the lotto but even that depends on who you believe.

Example, look at Ky in 2015, amazing talent on that team but that talent was raw and they never really formed a great team, they were like a all star team playing and they lost to a team that played together but had far less talent.

Duke had how many 5 stars on this past team? Now I will be the first to say that star ratings don't mean squat, what matters is how a kid plays once he gets to this level. But my dukie buddy swears all you need to know is how they were rated coming in so in his honor I will add that your dukies had more star ratings than we had, than nova had, both your dukies and Ky (who was a swell loaded with star raters) caught plane rides back home after the sweet 16.

I'm just impressed that you considered a team that started Matt Jones, a high school senior and Marshall Plumlee as more talented than UNC who started a two-time ACC preseason POY (Paige) and a 1st Team AA (Johnson).

Based on Rivals final ratings:

Duke 32 stars: Thornton (5*), Plumlee (4*), Ingram (5*), Jeter (5*), Kennard (5*), Jones (4*), Allen (4*), Obi (NR), Vrankovic (NR).

UNC 38 stars: Hicks (5*), Pinson (5*), Jackson (5*), Britt (4*), Berry (4*), Meeks (4*), Paige (4*), Johnson (4*), James (4*), Kenny Williams (4*).

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Hey there's like nine names in that list, I thought K said he only had six.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Duke had like 7 AAs and two players who will probably be drafted higher than anyone on our entire team.

I'll grant you that Ingram will be drafted higher than Brice... but who else on that team is getting picked ahead of Brice?

 

[jah420]

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Hey there's like nine names in that list, I thought K said he only had six.

Duke math.

 

[DSouthr]

I'm just impressed that you considered a team that started Matt Jones, a high school senior and Marshall Plumlee as more talented than UNC who started a two-time ACC preseason POY (Paige) and a 1st Team AA (Johnson).

Based on Rivals final ratings:

Duke 32 stars: Thornton (5*), Plumlee (4*), Ingram (5*), Jeter (5*), Kennard (5*), Jones (4*), Allen (4*), Obi (NR), Vrankovic (NR).

UNC 38 stars: Hicks (5*), Pinson (5*), Jackson (5*), Britt (4*), Berry (4*), Meeks (4*), Paige (4*), Johnson (4*), James (4*), Kenny Williams (4*).

This below quote is from TRUcane and is the post just before this reply from goduke

"I don't put much stock into ratings. Greg Paulus was a five star guard and kyrie Irving was a five star guard. There isn't one person on earth who ever believed that those two were even in the same room in terms of talent. The same goes for Okafor and Jeter. REGARDLESS of what the kids at Carolina were rated out of high school, I saw them play the previous two to three years and they became proven guys who exhibited tremendous talent and ability. There was no question Carolina should have been the favorites. If this were the NBA Carolina wins every series easily.

42 TRU CANE, Apr 7, 2016"

Look at these 2 posts, both from duke fans and BOTH consecutive posts on this thread! One wants to point to the star ratings as recruits out of high school and the others says well ya can't look at the star rating because all 4 stars (for example) are not the same? I actually happen to totally agree with the point Tru cane is making because I as well do not put great stock in star ratings from so called experts.

I just think it is really really funny that these 2 duke fans in consecutive posts walk over each others points on a tar Heel message board? LOL

 

[DSouthr]

I'll grant you that Ingram will be drafted higher than Brice... but who else on that team is getting picked ahead of Brice?

I don't really care who is drafted before who, that is on the NBA and I am not a NBA fan, I am a fan of the college game.

What I do find funny is dukies that talk about how Roy holds his players back and K does not do that, that is why duke gets the better talents as of late? Funny isn't it, Justin Jackson a Jr if he comes back has entered his name in the draft to test the waters and yet Allen, also a Jr is not even testing the waters? Alen AKA whipper tripper, had the higher scoring numbers by a lot, All ACC and Justin wasn't, and yet it is Justin testing the NBA waters and Allen not giving it a look see. Who is holding who back now? LOL

Want another example, by all reports jefferson could have come back a few games at the end of the regular season, word is his doctors had released him to play. But for some reason he just didn't feel like he was ready, so he was saved to be able to play another season for K. So rather than the greatest players we have ever seen, the sure fire #1 over all pick in any draft, Jefferson was held back from further play this season, delaying his mega paydays, so he could play another season for K? The ONLY reason as we have been told so many times, that duke did not win it all this season as well, was held back by the very guy that duke fans want us to believe does not hold his players back from the NBA? Who is really holding who back again dukies?

 

[Steat]

I don't really care who is drafted before who, that is on the NBA and I am not a NBA fan, I am a fan of the college game.

What I do find funny is dukies that talk about how Roy holds his players back and K does not do that, that is why duke gets the better talents as of late? Funny isn't it, Justin Jackson a Jr if he comes back has entered his name in the draft to test the waters and yet Allen, also a Jr is not even testing the waters? Alen AKA whipper tripper, had the higher scoring numbers by a lot, All ACC and Justin wasn't, and yet it is Justin testing the NBA waters and Allen not giving it a look see. Who is holding who back now? LOL

Want another example, by all reports jefferson could have come back a few games at the end of the regular season, word is his doctors had released him to play. But for some reason he just didn't feel like he was ready, so he was saved to be able to play another season for K. So rather than the greatest players we have ever seen, the sure fire #1 over all pick in any draft, Jefferson was held back from further play this season, delaying his mega paydays, so he could play another season for K? The ONLY reason as we have been told so many times, that duke did not win it all this season as well, was held back by the very guy that duke fans want us to believe does not hold his players back from the NBA? Who is really holding who back again dukies?

The obvious conclusion is that K convinced Punkston Allen not to test the waters. Why? Because K is only thinking about his legacy. Every mock draft that I have seen projects Allen in the late first round. And the kid didn't at least test the waters? Punkston has no margin for error next year. He had couple of close calls in the Dance that could have easily been called as tripping. I don't think he can go the entire season next year without another tripping incident. You heard it here first. The ACC with suspend him for 5-10 games when that happens. If Bolden signs with Duke, I will bet anyone that Amile Jabbar Oneil Jefferson will be coming off the bench. Only K can convince a bogus medical redshirt senior to come back for another year to come off the bench. The kid went out with 3-4 week injury timeframe in early December and stays out the rest of the year. I blame Jefferson for his stupidity.