Harrison Barnes...

[gary-7]

...seems to be particularly relishing situations that put Kyrie guarding him (or attempting to) and vice versa. And give the Warriors credit, they find the mismatch.

Speaking of which, I remember reading somewhere that he and Kyrie were supposed to go to dook together --- or at least that was what Kyrie thought. Guess you can't always count on those 'cruitin' package deals...

 

[DSouthr]

Read and article late last week about GS and some within that organization that were not happy about Irving and Love being out for last years series for the title. It was felt that Irving & Love were much weaker defenders and had to make up for what they allowed on defense by great scoring on the other end. GS felt the guys that replaced Irving and Love last title series were stronger defenders that made it harder for GS to exploit them.

 

[HeelFan58]

Read and article late last week about GS and some within that organization that were not happy about Irving and Love being out for last years series for the title. It was felt that Irving & Love were much weaker defenders and had to make up for what they allowed on defense by great scoring on the other end. GS felt the guys that replaced Irving and Love last title series were stronger defenders that made it harder for GS to exploit them.

It doesn't appear any of it has made much of a difference for the Cavs.

 

[Tom79]

Its the PB&J's baby, PB&J all the way!

Noticed last night that Wimpy (Love) took an elbow (courtesy of Mr. Barns) on a rebound, fell and was grievously injured. LOL
Replay showed it to not be nearly as serious as it appeared. Concussion? Naw, just your team isn't as good as the other guys.
Wrap it up in 4 games.

 

[Spacegrass]

He has been up and down this post season. I still think he should of signed that 4 year 64 mill offer sheet he got from GSW before the season.

 

[jah420]

He has been up and down this post season. I still think he should of signed that 4 year 64 mill offer sheet he got from GSW before the season.

He definitely made a mistake not taking that offer. He has not played nearly as well this season, and that is going to cost him money in free agency. Barnes however is a brilliant kid, so whatever money he makes is going to be more than enough to set up him and his family (future and present) for life. I hope he just takes less money and resigns with the Warriors regardless. They are going to be in the title hunt for years to come, so why not stay with a winner.

 

[gary-7]

He definitely made a mistake not taking that offer. He has not played nearly as well this season, and that is going to cost him money in free agency. Barnes however is a brilliant kid, so whatever money he makes is going to be more than enough to set up him and his family (future and present) for life. I hope he just takes less money and resigns with the Warriors regardless. They are going to be in the title hunt for years to come, so why not stay with a winner.

The knee injury set him back more than anything. He is playing quite well now, including doing the dirty work on the glass and the defensive end. He will get paid.

 

[Bur-Heel]

The knee injury set him back more than anything. He is playing quite well now, including doing the dirty work on the glass and the defensive end. He will get paid.

Exactly!!

 

[Mistercvr4]

I think Barnes did the right thing by not signing that extension. Lets say GWS wins it, what's left now? Win it again and not get paid? Go somewhere so he can get the max deal? It's all about the Benjamin's baby. Right now there's a few teams with Playoff hopes that can signed HB for the max. Plus, he's looking to be that MAN. Show that he can be the 1 or 2 scoring option. Place where he can be marketable. That's place is Charlotte Hornet. HB will get max pay it's all about his brand now and that mean getting paid. Don't be surprise HB ends up in a Hornet uniform where he will start and be a much needed upgrade at the SF spot.

 

[Sk1310]

I think Barnes did the right thing by not signing that extension. Lets say GWS wins it, what's left now? Win it again and not get paid? Go somewhere so he can get the max deal? It's all about the Benjamin's baby. Right now there's a few teams with Playoff hopes that can signed HB for the max. Plus, he's looking to be that MAN. Show that he can be the 1 or 2 scoring option. Place where he can be marketable. That's place is Charlotte Hornet. HB will get max pay it's all about his brand now and that mean getting paid. Don't be surprise HB ends up in a Hornet uniform where he will start and be a much needed upgrade at the SF spot.

That would be awesome

 

[gunslingerdick]

I think Barnes did the right thing by not signing that extension. Lets say GWS wins it, what's left now? Win it again and not get paid? Go somewhere so he can get the max deal? It's all about the Benjamin's baby. Right now there's a few teams with Playoff hopes that can signed HB for the max. Plus, he's looking to be that MAN. Show that he can be the 1 or 2 scoring option. Place where he can be marketable. That's place is Charlotte Hornet. HB will get max pay it's all about his brand now and that mean getting paid. Don't be surprise HB ends up in a Hornet uniform where he will start and be a much needed upgrade at the SF spot.

I agree with that and I said it in another thread. He will have won 2 championships with the warriors. I would think that's enough of the "winning" and now he'll look to be a part of his own "Big 3" instead of the 4th wheel for the warriors. Personally, I don't really want to see him go to Charlotte. I just don't have much faith in that organization. I would like to see him in Boston or Memphis. I think he would do well in either spot. Also, the Lakers seem to be after him and the Clippers want him just to take him away from GS. I wouldn't really get too excited at him joining either of the L.A.teams. OKC might also pursue him if they lose Durant.

 

[Heelicious]

he's played okay defense and can shoot fairly well including from three, but recently he's been sort of a turnover machine when having to dribble or try to post up and take his man one on one from the post entry.

And he pretty much gets owned when needing to defend guys like Lebron or KD.... but you could say that about most anyone against those two.

Even when the splash brothers have had down games, it hasn't been TBF who has markedly stepped up his game. Its been guys like Iguadala, Barbosa, Draymond.

I want as much as anyone does for TBF to be one of a "big Three" somewhere, but I'm just not sure he has the NBA skill set and size, speed, etc. to be that kind of guy.

Maybe he can thrive as the third guy. But not #1 or #2, where you're good enough to excel even when the other team focuses their best defender, and defensive game plan around stopping you.

I sure don't see him as a max contract guy.

 

[Sk1310]

he's played okay defense and can shoot fairly well including from three, but recently he's been sort of a turnover machine when having to dribble or try to post up and take his man one on one from the post entry.

And he pretty much gets owned when needing to defend guys like Lebron or KD.... but you could say that about most anyone against those two.

Even when the splash brothers have had down games, it hasn't been TBF who has markedly stepped up his game. Its been guys like Iguadala, Barbosa, Draymond.

I want as much as anyone does for TBF to be one of a "big Three" somewhere, but I'm just not sure he has the NBA skill set and size, speed, etc. to be that kind of guy.

Maybe he can thrive as the third guy. But not #1 or #2, where you're good enough to excel even when the other team focuses their best defender, and defensive game plan around stopping you.

I sure don't see him as a max contract guy.

You know, I was thinking man I want to see more out of HB. I don't think it's the skill set, size and speed you mention, he has plenty of that. I think it's more getting aggressive. When he is aggressive, you see the untapped potential.

 

[Spacegrass]

I think Barnes did the right thing by not signing that extension. Lets say GWS wins it, what's left now? Win it again and not get paid? Go somewhere so he can get the max deal? It's all about the Benjamin's baby. Right now there's a few teams with Playoff hopes that can signed HB for the max. Plus, he's looking to be that MAN. Show that he can be the 1 or 2 scoring option. Place where he can be marketable. That's place is Charlotte Hornet. HB will get max pay it's all about his brand now and that mean getting paid. Don't be surprise HB ends up in a Hornet uniform where he will start and be a much needed upgrade at the SF spot.

I don't think he is that guy though.

 

[superstar57]

I like the thought of Barnes in Charlotte, but definitely not at max. Barnes versatility on defense is exciting, but his handles and passing are ummm.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

The way the NBA is structured, I'd be surprised if Barnes doesn't get a max deal.

 

[gary-7]

he's played okay defense and can shoot fairly well including from three, but recently he's been sort of a turnover machine when having to dribble or try to post up and take his man one on one from the post entry.

And he pretty much gets owned when needing to defend guys like Lebron or KD.... but you could say that about most anyone against those two.

Even when the splash brothers have had down games, it hasn't been TBF who has markedly stepped up his game. Its been guys like Iguadala, Barbosa, Draymond.

I want as much as anyone does for TBF to be one of a "big Three" somewhere, but I'm just not sure he has the NBA skill set and size, speed, etc. to be that kind of guy.

Maybe he can thrive as the third guy. But not #1 or #2, where you're good enough to excel even when the other team focuses their best defender, and defensive game plan around stopping you.

I sure don't see him as a max contract guy.

With all due respect that is not a fair assessment at all. He had a couple of rough TO games vs OKC but he has held his own on both ends and been quite efficient when it counted.

 

[gteeitup]

he'll be a laker, mark it down.

also, love seeing his grill on the gmc commercial...it's subtle, but it's him, not the splash brothers or green.

 

[Mistercvr4]

The way the NBA is structured, I'd be surprised if Barnes doesn't get a max deal.

Oh buddy, you can trust and believe HB is going get the max deal. Especially with the NBA salary cap going up this year too. As crazy as is sound Charlotte is the perfect spot for HB. Beside James and Wade with other top names you hear about from the Eastern conference? Then you have Jordan. You know MJ will add him to he label can come out with some Black Falcon J's. Again, the way it's looking with GSW winning it yet again, HB will be at that cross road, shouldn't stay and play for less or go and get mo?

 

[Spacegrass]

Oh buddy, you can trust and believe HB is going get the max deal. Especially with the NBA salary cap going up this year too. As crazy as is sound Charlotte is the perfect spot for HB. Beside James and Wade with other top names you hear about from the Eastern conference? Then you have Jordan. You know MJ will add him to he label can come out with some Black Falcon J's. Again, the way it's looking with GSW winning it yet again, HB will be at that cross road, shouldn't stay and play for less or go and get mo?

Can Harrison Barnes be a reasonably efficient 18-20 PPG scorer? I feel like if you are Charlotte and you are throwing a max deal out at anyone first that will be Kevin Durant.

 

[Mistercvr4]

Can Harrison Barnes be a reasonably efficient 18-20 PPG scorer? I feel like if you are Charlotte and you are throwing a max deal out at anyone first that will be Kevin Durant.

Yes he can. However when you state "efficient" that's something not many players can do because majority are high volume shooters, just like Curry, Thompson and Green. Heck you can add Durant to that list as well. I like to call it the Kobe effect. If you jack up 15-25 shoots anyone should score 15-20 ppg. Also, the one thing I like is how HB learn to attack the basket more. KD will never come to Charlotte. KD will either stay in OKC, Washington or LA.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

Can Hb get a max deal? Yes
Will be a 20 pot scorer? No

 

[Spacegrass]

Yes he can. However when you state "efficient" that's something not many players can do because majority are high volume shooters, just like Curry, Thompson and Green. Heck you can add Durant to that list as well. I like to call it the Kobe effect. If you jack up 15-25 shoots anyone should score 15-20 ppg. Also, the one thing I like is how HB learn to attack the basket more. KD will never come to Charlotte. KD will either stay in OKC, Washington or LA.

So he is going to be at best in reality a #3 option masquerading as #1 or #2 and the Hornets will overpay him and they won't get significantly better. I like HB but that is a bad move by the Hornets if they are looking for another scorer to go with Kemba. Kemba needs to be the #2 on that team.

 

[Mistercvr4]

So he is going to be at best in reality a #3 option masquerading as #1 or #2 and the Hornets will overpay him and they won't get significantly better. I like HB but that is a bad move by the Hornets if they are looking for another scorer to go with Kemba. Kemba needs to be the #2 on that team.

Again, if GSW win the title it's ALL about the Money now. Two rings? That's more than Ewing, Malone, Dr. J and a few others. I watch and go to a lot of the Hornet games and the SF spot is in badly need of a upgrade. MGK couldn't shoot in high school, college nor the pro's so say that would be "bad move by the Hornets" is a bit of a head scratcher. When you starting SF doesn't average more than 8 or 9 ppg then NASA we have a problem. Don't get me wrong I like MGK but this league is driven by offense. Today players are more of high volume shooters. In my best Wallace voice "stats don't lie". Yes, Kemba is more of a 2 than 1 and I have made that comment many times. I would start Jeremy Lin at the PG but that mean KW will be in the same role as Marcus Paige was this year. Undersize PG playing the SG spot.
But bad move was MJ not drafting HB in the first place. jmo.

 

[Spacegrass]

Again, if GSW win the title it's ALL about the Money now. Two rings? That's more than Ewing, Malone, Dr. J and a few others. I watch and go to a lot of the Hornet games and the SF spot is in badly need of a upgrade. MGK couldn't shoot in high school, college nor the pro's so say that would be "bad move by the Hornets" is a bit of a head scratcher. When you starting SF doesn't average more than 8 or 9 ppg then NASA we have a problem. Don't get me wrong I like MGK but this league is driven by offense. Today players are more of high volume shooters. In my best Wallace voice "stats don't lie". Yes, Kemba is more of a 2 than 1 and I have made that comment many times. I would start Jeremy Lin at the PG but that mean KW will be in the same role as Marcus Paige was this year. Undersize PG playing the SG spot.
But bad move was MJ not drafting HB in the first place. jmo.

To me 4 yr 64 mill sounds like a lot for Barnes. Jeremy Lin is perfect in the 6th man role. Kemba is your PG. Barnes isn't a whole lot above an 8-9 PPG scorer playing 30 MPG. Yes he is a much better shooter though. I just don't see Barnes as more than a guy like Sean Elliot. Good player but not good enough to create his own offense off the dribble. If he is going to be a #1 or #2 option he has to do that.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I feel like if you are Charlotte and you are throwing a max deal out at anyone first that will be Kevin Durant.

I had to laugh at this. Durant will most likely stay in OKC, but if he went elsewhere, Charlotte is one of the last places he'd end up. People up here are holding out hope that he would choose the Celtics - which is probably only a 5-10% chance or so I'd estimate. Which is still 100x greater chance than KD (or really any Tier 1 free agent) electing to go to Charlotte.

So he is going to be at best in reality a #3 option masquerading as #1 or #2 and the Hornets will overpay him and they won't get significantly better. I like HB but that is a bad move by the Hornets if they are looking for another scorer to go with Kemba. Kemba needs to be the #2 on that team.

I agree with you here. HB will probably get a max deal (or at least close to it) but he's just not a #1/#2 type guy from what I've seen out of him so far. Does he have the talent to be that guy? Maybe. I just don't see the "want-to" that I see out of other guys that want to be the alpha dog wherever they go. He had no problem deferring to other players at UNC - and he has taken a back seat to Draymond Green who was drafted a full round after him. Kemba could probably function as a #2/#3 on a good team, so Charlotte should focus on getting a couple guys on #1/#2 fringe.

 

[Spacegrass]

I had to laugh at this. Durant will most likely stay in OKC, but if he went elsewhere, Charlotte is one of the last places he'd end up. People up here are holding out hope that he would choose the Celtics - which is probably only a 5-10% chance or so I'd estimate. Which is still 100x greater chance than KD (or really any Tier 1 free agent) electing to go to Charlotte.



I agree with you here. HB will probably get a max deal (or at least close to it) but he's just not a #1/#2 type guy from what I've seen out of him so far. Does he have the talent to be that guy? Maybe. I just don't see the "want-to" that I see out of other guys that want to be the alpha dog wherever they go. He had no problem deferring to other players at UNC - and he has taken a back seat to Draymond Green who was drafted a full round after him. Kemba could probably function as a #2/#3 on a good team, so Charlotte should focus on getting a couple guys on #1/#2 fringe.

In most instances I would agree with you on KD. But he doesn't come across as needing to be in a huge market. Lot of similarities with OKC and Charlotte as a placed to live. The front office and staff is respected and stable. The biggest void Charlotte has is the need for a go to guy. Maybe Jordan's franchise could be the one to put Durant over the top? I wouldn't call Charlotte a favorite but I would call them a dark horse imo.

 

[tarheel0910]

Will be a 20 pot scorer? No

He's got a chance if he goes to Denver.

 

[jah420]

Considering how salty KD has turned toward the media (can't say I blame him), I can't see why he would go to any of the big media markets (LA, NYC, Boston, etc). I see him staying in OKC most likely since they have the talent already. Other landing spots that might be better from a media stand point, but also give him a chance to win would be GS or Miami.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Considering how salty KD has turned toward the media (can't say I blame him), I can't see why he would go to any of the big media markets (LA, NYC, Boston, etc). I see him staying in OKC most likely since they have the talent already. Other landing spots that might be better from a media stand point, but also give him a chance to win would be GS or Miami.

Agreed. If he wanted to be marketable and get more/better endorsements I could see him going to a major market like LA, NY, Boston - but he seems more reserved, and quiet, and I could see him being perfectly content in a smaller market. I also think a smaller market better suits his personality as the media in the major markets listed above would have him under a microscope and be all over him if he falters (although to be fair they'd be praising him if he did well) - the media coverage in the smaller markets isn't as grueling. That has to appeal to someone who already has all the money they need.

 

[Sk1310]

Not sure if anyone is watching the game, but the 3 straight buckets by Harrison is an example of why a team will give him a max, the flashes he showes. Layup over LeBron to end the half (should have been an and 1), couple dripples and pull up J over Frye, then a post up turn around on Frye. He showes flashes of being able to take over when looking for his shot.

 

[Bubspub88]

Durant will take a one year deal and he and Westbrook will make their decision next summer. Barnes will likely move to the east if he gets another ring. West is loaded and the East is desperate for some new talent.