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Harrison was a nasty dog amid the finals mayhem. Big shots, big boards.

Also good to see JMM get early and important run in both halves. Comported himself very well. Lebron got him once one-on-one, but he does that to a lotta people. Other than that JMac played very well. Brought some solid Carolina help-D to the table.
 
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It was nice to see JMM get on the floor and contribute. Also good to see HB perform well enabling him to pad and polish his resume as he most likely will follow Luke to L.A.
 
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Love to see the Falcon in Chicago with Jimmy Butler. I did however read earlier today that the Warriors were prepared to match any offer sheet for Barnes. Makes me think Durant to Golden State is off the table.
 
Tru Blu Tar Heel said:
Love to see the Falcon in Chicago with Jimmy Butler. I did however read earlier today that the Warriors were prepared to match any offer sheet for Barnes. Makes me think Durant to Golden State is off the table.
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Me too, I think with cap space are going to focus on Durant, Bulls will swoop in on Barnes. Remember, have that Ames Iowa connection with Hoiberg. I just dont see how GS cam match, Curry is up after next year. If they resign Barnes, that could be near 4 max guys on a team. (Curry,Thompson,Green,Barnes), but you never know with the new salary cap.
 
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Me too, I think with cap space are going to focus on Durant, Bulls will swoop in on Barnes. Remember, have that Ames Iowa connection with Hoiberg. I just dont see how GS cam match, Curry is up after next year. If they resign Barnes, that could be near 4 max guys on a team. (Curry,Thompson,Green,Barnes), but you never know with the new salary cap.
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Talk down here is the Hawks may try to go all-in on Durant as well.
 
Durant isn't going anywhere! He is going to take the money, convince Westbrook to play more team ball, and try to convince one more good player to join them; possibly a 3 point specialist. This would chap the arses of millions and I think it will be the funniest outcome!
 
TPFKAPFS said:
Durant isn't going anywhere! He is going to take the money, convince Westbrook to play more team ball, and try to convince one more good player to join them; possibly a 3 point specialist. This would chap the arses of millions and I think it will be the funniest outcome!
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Good luck with that second part ;)
 
Heh. The second part IS the hardest! Westbrook has the physical gifts and game to challenge Bron and Steph for best in the game. He is missing a key mental piece, however. One thing in Durant's favor is that he showed flashes of figuring it out during the playoffs until pressure made him revert. Question: Is he smart OR reflective enough to see how it would be in his best interest for the team to be successful?

OR they could get a true PG and let him be the un-guardable scorer he is naturally.
 
TPFKAPFS said:
Heh. The second part IS the hardest! Westbrook has the physical gifts and game to challenge Bron and Steph for best in the game. He is missing a key mental piece, however. One thing in Durant's favor is that he showed flashes of figuring it out during the playoffs until pressure made him revert. Question: Is he smart OR reflective enough to see how it would be in his best interest for the team to be successful?

OR they could get a true PG and let him be the un-guardable scorer he is naturally.
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Yeah. Westbrook actually upped his offensive game this season as an individual scorer --- and of course he's a sick athlete --- but his play-making comes as an afterthought, to be kind.
 
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As I have shared many times, I am not a fan of the NBA but hey, it is basketball and it is the off season so sometimes ya just have to take what ya can get! LOL

But this playoffs have been pretty interesting, it is kinda hard not to be drawn in to what Golden State has done this season as well as just the way they play. Enjoyed watching them come back vs OKC and really enjoying watching them turn Believeland in to gonna-leave-land! I am sorry but I am just not a Lebron fan, I mean the guy ties to be likeable, strikes me as his trying to hard to be likeable and then he whines when someone else gets honors he wants.

That stepping over Green nonsense just showed me that he may want to be known as today's Jordan but Jordan didn't let the other team get in to his head, he got in to theirs. Once again, lebron's team falls apart at the end, Jordan's teams closed you out, he was an ice cold assassin, Lebron gets you close and then doesn't finish the deal. MJ knew when to take over and when to gets others going and lebron doesn't seem to grasp that. And Kyrie Irving, much like Westbrook seems to come from the "I am gonna get mine" world, at least Westbrook at times tries to get his team mates going and tries to play defense...Not one doubt in my mind, MJ would have got Irving in check, he would have made sure irving understood who the lead dawg in that pack was.

Enjoying 2 more rings looking like they are going to Tar Heels and 2 more dukies crying I wanted one!
 
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Idk the writing may be on the wall in OKC and KD may bolt for what appears to be greener pastures. There was just an enormous amount of inner bickering and finger pointing going on as Choklahoma squandered a 3-1 lead in the west finals. From the eye test alone the issues within that organization may be insurmountable. I just don't think they like each other anymore.
 
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Jordan refused to lose..that guy was the best ever but didn't want/allow other players to do the majority of the work, although he knew he could have--he let Scottie, TK, BJ, Paxson, Dennis, Ronnie, Kerr, Bill, Grant play D and chip in..GOAT
 
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Barring something drastic, the Warriors are getting that ring. Draymond being out won't stop the Warriors from clinching game 5.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Curry and Thompson haven't played particularly well this Finals series. They are both due and with Draymond out, I would look for one or both of them to absolutely go off.
 
Harrison goes for 20+ tonight with Green out. He is option 3 now.
 
Well McAdoo 2x his playing time tonight for the series , Barnes well .........................struggled.
 
Ouch. Barnes played like a dog. JMM didn't show well in his minutes either. This series just got interesting. I think the Cavs will win game 6 and then who the hell knows what will happen in game 7. If Irving can play like that again, the Cavs could be the first team to come back from 3-1.

On Irving - and I don't want the duke fans to think I'm dogging him because he went to duke (I mean he barely even went to duke) - but for as good as he is, last night was one of the first times when I think his play made other players better. And his ability to make other players better wasn't even a huge effect last night; he was just on fire. I mean, that guy is a ridiculous offensive talent (he's a terrible defender but was as good defensively last night as I've ever seen him) but for some reason, he just doesn't have that special ability to make others guys better. It's weird. I guess the best comparison I can make is to Allen Iverson (Irving's not quite on his level though). But even Iverson made guys around him better sometimes. Honestly, last night was the first time I got the feeling that other guys were stepping up because of Irving's play. I don't know how to describe it but it's odd for a PG to say the least. But he couldn't miss last night. And LeBron had it going as well. Hard to see how they don't always play like that.
 
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Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Was there any doubt the Cavs would win game 5? The league suspended Green, and desperately wanted the series to go more than 5 games - so much money on the line in getting an additional game or two.
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I hated to go there because I hate the conspiracy theory stuff. But man it does seem peculiar that no one thought that Green's incident was worthy of suspension. James Worthy was very vocal about it being a terrible move by the NBA (Worthy went on to say that he doesn't feel anything except a major blow to the head deserves a suspension in the playoffs). James went on to say the fans have been cheated. And then to have LeBron come out and play like he did - it's almost like he was just waiting for some NBA exec to give him the go ahead. Weird.
 
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I hated to go there because I hate the conspiracy theory stuff. But man it does seem peculiar that no one thought that Green's incident was worthy of suspension. James Worthy was very vocal about it being a terrible move by the NBA (Worthy went on to say that he doesn't feel anything except a major blow to the head deserves a suspension in the playoffs). James went on to say the fans have been cheated. And then to have LeBron come out and play like he did - it's almost like he was just waiting for some NBA exec to give him the go ahead. Weird.
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I think people forget that he wasn't suspended for that shot alone. It was because he had 5 flagrants in the playoffs. I don't think that shot alone should get anyone suspended but the other 4 added to it. Also it should be pointed out Dantay Jones got suspended for the same thing but just for the 1 shot. Now I think Lebron should have gotten a T for it, but that doesn't change the fact that Green has made a large number of plays just like this in the last few series. Worthy certainly is entitled to his opinion, but if he felt that strongly why not say something when its not a big name guy?

Also to people who are saying this is the NBA extending the series for $...why not give him a flagrant 2 and then he would have been out 5 and 6....almost assures a game 7.
 
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DevilBlue said:
I think people forget that he wasn't suspended for that shot alone. It was because he had 5 flagrants in the playoffs. I don't think that shot alone should get anyone suspended but the other 4 added to it. Also it should be pointed out Dantay Jones got suspended for the same thing but just for the 1 shot. Now I think Lebron should have gotten a T for it, but that doesn't change the fact that Green has made a large number of plays just like this in the last few series. Worthy certainly is entitled to his opinion, but if he felt that strongly why not say something when its not a big name guy?
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I think Worthy's statement was more to emphasize that he doesn't like what the game has become - soft. Because when he played, that fracas that Green and LeBron got into would have brought nothing more than a warning from the refs. And you know ol' timers, the game was always harder/better in their day. I happen to agree with Worthy that the game is really soft now and it's not nearly as exciting because of it. Say what you want about "free flowing basketball" and whatnot but the chippiness of the 80s and 90s NBA playoff series was riveting television.

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Also to people who are saying this is the NBA extending the series for $...why not give him a flagrant 2 and then he would have been out 5 and 6....almost assures a game 7.
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Agreed. And wouldn't it behoove the NBA to have the Cavs win which would strengthen your point. Sometimes conspiracy theories are fun to think about but when you take a step back, they often don't make a lot of sense.
 
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I agree the game has become a lot less physical. There are times I like that and honesty I feel like there were times where that play did really effect the game. My issue with it is that now instead of a really hard physical rivalry like you use to get, its become this trash talking cheap shot rivalry. I remember Jordan would get pushed around on one end and then would throw one down and stand over the guy...and that was it. Little trashing talking, that arrogant look, and a really hard physical play and then when that guy threw one down on the Bulls it was the same in reverse. Use to love the Knicks Bulls series with Ewing, Starks, Houston vs Jordan and Pippen. Now its Draymon Green kicking Steve Adams in the junk and then whining to the media...[/QUOTE]
 
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DevilBlue said:
I agree the game has become a lot less physical. There are times I like that and honesty I feel like there were times where that play did really effect the game. My issue with it is that now instead of a really hard physical rivalry like you use to get, its become this trash talking cheap shot rivalry. I remember Jordan would get pushed around on one end and then would throw one down and stand over the guy...and that was it. Little trashing talking, that arrogant look, and a really hard physical play and then when that guy threw one down on the Bulls it was the same in reverse. Use to love the Knicks Bulls series with Ewing, Starks, Houston vs Jordan and Pippen. Now its Draymon Green kicking Steve Adams in the junk and then whining to the media...
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Agreed. Those rivalries of the 80s and 90s were special. Lakers/Celtics, Celtics/Pistons, Bulls/Pistons, Bulls/Pacers, 76ers/anyone. The East was far more physical than the west in those days but even then, you had Lakers/Rockets, Rockets/Spurs and a couple other rivalries that battled hard. And it appeared that the NBA wanted badly to move the game to more of a speed and skill based game of the west teams because that's essentially what we have now.

I just always appreciated that Ewing would get dunked on and then the next time down the court, he or Oakley or Charles smith would literally throw someone to the floor as a way of saying, "you got me once, but it won't happen again". That was a way of keeping guys in check. Even average players of the 80s and 90s could go for 40 in today's game because there is nothing to fear. You know that you're not going to get clubbed when you go into the lane. And that's a big deal for guys with shaky confidence.

I don't really like the NBA anymore. I mean it's alright but I don't really watch anythjing other than the playoffs (I also don't have as much time to devote to my sports watching). But even with all the time in the world, it's just not as riveting. The lack of physical play has enabled stars to show off easier and has kind of "dumbed it down" for me.
 
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gunslingerdick said:
Agreed. Those rivalries of the 80s and 90s were special. Lakers/Celtics, Celtics/Pistons, Bulls/Pistons, Bulls/Pacers, 76ers/anyone. The East was far more physical than the west in those days but even then, you had Lakers/Rockets, Rockets/Spurs and a couple other rivalries that battled hard. And it appeared that the NBA wanted badly to move the game to more of a speed and skill based game of the west teams because that's essentially what we have now.

I just always appreciated that Ewing would get dunked on and then the next time down the court, he or Oakley or Charles smith would literally throw someone to the floor as a way of saying, "you got me once, but it won't happen again". That was a way of keeping guys in check. Even average players of the 80s and 90s could go for 40 in today's game because there is nothing to fear. You know that you're not going to get clubbed when you go into the lane. And that's a big deal for guys with shaky confidence.

I don't really like the NBA anymore. I mean it's alright but I don't really watch anythjing other than the playoffs (I also don't have as much time to devote to my sports watching). But even with all the time in the world, it's just not as riveting. The lack of physical play has enabled stars to show off easier and has kind of "dumbed it down" for me.
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I feel the biggest issue is lack of physical play means more fouls for tighter D. Go through most teams and they only have a player or two who really play D every trip and usually those guys are known more for their D than their offense. I mean its ridiculous that teams average 102 points per game and give up 100 points per game. Take GS this year. 53 regular season games giving up 100+ points plus another 12 in the post season. To compare, the 96 Bulls gave up 100+ 23 times plus 2 in the post season.
 
gunslingerdick said:
I hated to go there because I hate the conspiracy theory stuff. But man it does seem peculiar that no one thought that Green's incident was worthy of suspension. James Worthy was very vocal about it being a terrible move by the NBA (Worthy went on to say that he doesn't feel anything except a major blow to the head deserves a suspension in the playoffs). James went on to say the fans have been cheated. And then to have LeBron come out and play like he did - it's almost like he was just waiting for some NBA exec to give him the go ahead. Weird.
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There was an attempt at a major blow to the head , the little head in which any blow is major.
 
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Also to people who are saying this is the NBA extending the series for $...why not give him a flagrant 2 and then he would have been out 5 and 6....almost assures a game 7.
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They're getting enough flack for giving him the flagrant 1, a flagrant 2 would be even more controversial. And to GSD's point - I don't think the NBA necessarily wants Cleveland to win the series - they just want it to go longer. Assuring a game 7 makes it more likely that the Cavs win.
 
I think the nba sees how guys are taking advantage of some star players and their hands being tied because they can not react to thugs. People know Lebron and others can not be replaced on their teams so they go at them. You can't honestly tell me that he doesn't take more contact than most. YES 100% HE FLOPS, but they all do it. They all expect fouls. You cant even breath on players these days. SICK. Last night for the first time in a long time he never flopped, but at the same time got a whole lot less calls. I liked it, but he does get hammered because he is so dang strong. Sorry for the soap box. My longest post that a lot of you will not agree with, but thats ok. Thats why it was MY post.
 
alabamaheel said:
I think the nba sees how guys are taking advantage of some star players and their hands being tied because they can not react to thugs. People know Lebron and others can not be replaced on their teams so they go at them. You can't honestly tell me that he doesn't take more contact than most. YES 100% HE FLOPS, but they all do it. They all expect fouls. You cant even breath on players these days. SICK. Last night for the first time in a long time he never flopped, but at the same time got a whole lot less calls. I liked it, but he does get hammered because he is so dang strong. Sorry for the soap box. My longest post that a lot of you will not agree with, but thats ok. Thats why it was MY post.
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MJ took far more of a beating than LeBron could ever claim. That's for sure. And he still toyed with the league. That's why I mentioned in an earlier poast that I believe average players from the 80s and 90s could score 40 or so in today's NBA game. And it's why I believe there is absolutely no comparison bewteen LeBron and MJ, Magic, Bird or other guys from yesteryear.
 
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MJ took far more of a beating than LeBron could ever claim. That's for sure. And he still toyed with the league. That's why I mentioned in an earlier poast that I believe average players from the 80s and 90s could score 40 or so in today's NBA game. And it's why I believe there is absolutely no comparison bewteen LeBron and MJ, Magic, Bird or other guys from yesteryear.
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I do agree with you gun on the part of many older players would have a hay day on todays no touch foul system. Some could have scored a ton more.
 
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