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How are opponents shooting more free throws than UNC

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Just not making any sense to me. With Meeks, Hicks and Bradley in the paint there should be a parade to the charity stripe. And with Berry and Jackson cutting to the basket so much I can not understand why they have not be rewarded with trips to the line.

Bradley and Meeks seem to get fouled every time they are in lane without a whistle.

What happened to the days where Carolina made more free throws then their opponents attempted. Maybe it is weak defensive play or just being lazy but whatever the reason this trend of not even shooting 10 free throws has to stop.
 
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IDUNK4HEELS said:
Just not making any sense to me. With Meeks, Hicks and Bradley in the paint there should be a parade to the charity stripe. And with Berry and Jackson cutting to the basket so much I can not understand why they have not be rewarded with trips to the line.

Bradley and Meeks seem to get fouled every time they are in lane without a whistle.

What happened to the days where Carolina made more free throws then their opponents attempted. Maybe it is weak defensive play or just being lazy but whatever the reason this trend of not even shooting 10 free throws has to stop.
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Well, it sure as hell wasn't for lack of attacking....
 
They don't call fouls down low like they used to. Even with Hicks, many of his fouls are not when he is fouling a shooter. They call more fouls off the ball and from guys driving and creating contact as they go up. With two bigs we aren't going to drive as much as a lot of teams. That isn't the only reason but is part of it. What is called has just changed. They let bigs kill each other a lot of times.
 
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The only way Klempsum is still in this thing near the end is the shiteshow officiating that kept them in it. Well over half of the tiggers "forced" TO's were uncalled fouls. We would make similar contact on a loose ball or steal attempt and THERE goes the whistle! As a team Klempsum committed at least 128 (slight exaggeration) uncalled fouls. Number 50 for Klempsum would have fouled out of a properly officiated game at least 17 (slight exaggeration) times. Meanwhile it is Hicks instead sitting at the end for 5 ticky-tack calls.

Joel Berry, who alone was fouled over 40 (slight exaggeration) times tonight shot exactly ZERO FTS for THE ENTIRE GAME!

And Klempsum with their hockey team defense still shooting 15 (slight exaggeration) more FTs than us for the game?? To quote Ralph Wiggums, "that's unpossible!"
 
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coryfly said:
They don't call fouls down low like they used to. Even with Hicks, many of his fouls are not when he is fouling a shooter. They call more fouls off the ball and from guys driving and creating contact as they go up. With two bigs we aren't going to drive as much as a lot of teams. That isn't the only reason but is part of it. What is called has just changed. They let bigs kill each other a lot of times.
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JJ was clearly fouled on a drive to the basket late in the game. In fact, his arm was grabbed, 2 zebras looking right at it........no call. To me, that equals an agenda, but I'm a conspiracy theorist anyway. JJ even stopped playing because he knew it was a foul & was going to be called, & was shocked when it wasn't. I think Roy needs to go Spurrier & send some tapes to some people.
 
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2DDIMOND said:
JJ was clearly fouled on a drive to the basket late in the game. In fact, his arm was grabbed, 2 zebras looking right at it........no call. To me, that equals an agenda, but I'm a conspiracy theorist anyway. JJ even stopped playing because he knew it was a foul & was going to be called, & was shocked when it wasn't. I think Roy needs to go Spurrier & send some tapes to some people.
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Not picking on you but if you're gonna go that route: in the first half Meeks was clearly blocked while attempting a shot and they whistled a foul on Clemson. If you go back and watch there were SEVERAL calls that went our way in the first half. Shit happens. You are correct as the JJ one was more obvious and should have been called.
 
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TarHeelNation11 said:
Carolina got A LOT of calls last night, especially in the first half. A lot. To say we didn't, you just don't have the ability to watch a game objectively.
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I agree we got some calls too, but the only way you miss that call on JJ is if you want to
 
NCAAUCoach said:
I think because the guys are fairly soft. None of our bigs truly attack the rim. We passively throw up a hook or baby jumper.
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I agree, especially with our big men, Hicks is a classic example, lot of fade aways, not a lot of power drives. maybe we need to have our guys take some acting classes, the refs tend to call it when the drama is added, meeks can get fouled multiple times but he plays thru it and does not add the drama but he as well does a lot of the finesse shots rather than attacking a defender. Some times you have to sell the foul or it is not called.

But as someone else mentioned, you are not going to get a lot of fouls when you pump up so many outside jumpers and don't look to pound the ball inside, we fall in love with the jumper to much folks, great when they are dropping but we have as well seen what happens when they don't and jumpers just do not always fall.

Teams tend to want to spread us out because we play so much man, they spread us out and take driving lanes that do pick up a lot of fouls. They do a lot of high screen action on us to also create driving lanes, the drive our pressure with angles. They deny that from us on the other end by packing things in and clogging up the lanes, so we pump up outside jumpers to counter.
 
mikeirbyusa said:
Uhhhhh................. a "lot" of calls = a lot of freethrows.
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No, it doesn't. You can be the recipient of an incorrect foul call in your favor and not have it lead to free throws. Could be simply a foul on the floor or on a rebound (both of which we received in our favor, incorrectly, several times).

The real reason has already been identified.
 
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2DDIMOND said:
JJ was clearly fouled on a drive to the basket late in the game. In fact, his arm was grabbed, 2 zebras looking right at it........no call. To me, that equals an agenda, but I'm a conspiracy theorist anyway. JJ even stopped playing because he knew it was a foul & was going to be called, & was shocked when it wasn't. I think Roy needs to go Spurrier & send some tapes to some people.
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As I recall that exchange was at the end of regulation and to top it off they missed an obvious foul on JJ, then proceeded to miss 3-4 fouls all the way down the court the other way, and fouls on both teams. Those refs won't sniff the ACC Tourney games or NCAA's following review. They let the game get out of control for a minute...
 
IDUNK4HEELS said:
Stats don't lie GT and Clemson both shot more from the line
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And? Please don't tell me you're one of the simpletons who thinks FT attempts should be exactly the same for both teams in every game. This is one of the most absurd reasonings in all of basketball, but it is still widely used by fans as some barometer of referee aptitude.
 
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mikeirbyusa said:
And we wonder why we can't discuss things we see differently. smh
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Why can't we? It seems like we are right now. I've seen a lot of basketball fans -- not just on this board and not just UNC fans -- cite the discrepancy in FT attempts between Team A and Team B in a particular game as evidence for the refereeing being one sided. That is absurd logic. Where is it written in the rules that both teams must shoot the same number of FTs? I'll never understand this line of thinking. It totally ignores in-game strategy, offensive efficiency, whether a team is more interior-based or perimeter-based, etc.

I think the current lack of Tar Heel FT attempts can be directly attributed to our lack of aggressiveness in going to the basket, as well as our careless defensive movement (Hicks, for example) away from the basket.
 
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Imo they attack the paint but they don't attack the rim everything at the rim is done with finesse and not with power and muscle!

There is never a time where the bigs catch the ball on the block and turn and body to rim leaning to contact everything is done as to avoid contact!
 
While I agree that less focus on post play in general seems to have decreased the fouls called on post contact, I think the bigger factor for this team is a return to a couple problems, one new and one not.

1) Our post play from Meeks and Brice in Brice's soph and jr seasons was very inconsistent. When we played tougher, bigger, more talented or all of the above teams one or both of our bigs would often disappear, leading to the "soft" conversations. Last year Brice was so much more consistent and often at his best against the best competition.

2) Outside shooting. This one has been inconsistent (or consistently bad) for a long time obviously and this year is no different. If we're hitting from 3 the post problems don't look so bad against those tougher teams who can't pack it in, but when we aren't it magnifies our inconsistency despite tons of talent up front.
 
Coach hit the nail on the head. Our bigs are passive on the offensive end. They don't attack the rim like a hansbrough or even Brice Johnson did last year. We settle for jump hooks and fall aways as opposed to taking an extra step or power dribble and slamming it down somebody's throat. Best way to put officiating in the paint in college and NBA is perception is reality. Guys are so big and athletic that fouls could be called damn near every play. At this point the aggressors get the benefit of the doubt.
 
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I think he was referring to the use of simpleton(I know it was not a direct shot), but otherwise this has been a good discussion. A lot of fouls would get you to the line, but I think the reffing was pretty fair for the most part. It was also pretty bad at times. My issue is the refs seemed to seize up in crunch time. That one bad no call against JJ could easily have changed the outcome of the game. The body checks that lead directly to turnovers should also have been called.

We won the game, but I believe our struggles were more on us not being efficient than anything the refs did. For example, the refs did NOT make Meeks miss all those 2 foot shots; I think that was tired legs. I absolutely hate blaming a loss on the refs unless it is at HIS!
 
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2DDIMOND said:
In general I agree, but the non call on JJ was a head scratcher for sure, I just don't know how a competent official misses that call.
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I wonder if two officials saw the play, and each thought the other was going to call the foul, but neither did?!
Shouldn't happen at this level, but maybe it did.

Or maybe it's the old "The hand is quicker than the eye" ! :p
 
As the simpleton here I am sure everyone who read my two replies here clearly noticed I NEVER ONCE pointed a finger at the refs but instead was asking and inquiring why it seems of LATE that opponents are indeed getting to the line more than Carolina and what might be the reason for that...

That has been some great responses and observations to this inquiry which means to me there just is no one answer to the question but a multitude of reasons.
 
IDUNK4HEELS said:
As the simpleton here I am sure everyone who read my two replies here clearly noticed I NEVER ONCE pointed a finger at the refs but instead was asking and inquiring why it seems of LATE that opponents are indeed getting to the line more than Carolina and what might be the reason for that...

That has been some great responses and observations to this inquiry which means to me there just is no one answer to the question but a multitude of reasons.
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No one in this thread is the simpleton. Only those who insist the presence of FT attempt disparity automatically means incompetent / biased officiating are simple minded.
 
the officials are incompotent. Hicks gets tagged with the most ticky tack fouls every game, but same play on the other side is always a no call. Meeks can't jump more than 2 inches off the ground so refs awesome he can't get fouled. Refs call what they think they are going to see, not what they actually see. Swofford is an embarrassment and should have gone away a long time ago.
 
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