While I agree that noone in the pipeline is currently ready to take the head chair today, I do feel that Hubert Davis is being groomed to take over when Roy decides to hang it up. My only concern there is lack of head coaching experience.
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Regarding Hubert I posted a few months ago that in watching the pre game warmups of a December game that it hit me... that yeah Hubert LOOKED like a Carolina head coach to me. Maybe not now of course but say 5-8 years down the road IF ROY stays for another 5 or so years that puts G Hubert as an asst for about 10 years,enough time for him to learn and mature and gain in game bench experience
To me what COULD REALLY help Hubert is to be THE guy in recruiting ...THE KEY that brings in a haul of studs and big time talent. IF he can develop that reputation that VALUE as a recruiter first and foremost the he would really have a leg up IMO
To me what COULD REALLY help Hubert is to be THE guy in recruiting ...THE KEY that brings in a haul of studs and big time talent. IF he can develop that reputation that VALUE as a recruiter first and foremost the he would really have a leg up IMO
I couldn't agree more with 71-00. As I've stated several times, Roy just doesn't know what to say and when to say it. He did apologize, but why should we pat him on the back for that? If he hadn't shot off his mouth in the first place, he wouldn't have had to apologize. But that's Roy's MO. Say something suspect, then explain it away and try to apologize. "I don't give a **** about North Carolina", "this season is like the Haiti disaster", criticizing fans, talking about Devlon Roe in his book, referring to himself in third person and using "ol' Roy" when he does it...all these things seem trivial. And they are. And like 71-00, I could overlook them if he was getting us to the FF every year. But when he's struggling, these irritants are magnified immensely.
No doubt slinger, he has stuck his foot in his mouth several times over the years, but who hasn't?
Still exactly who I want coaching our team at this time.
Still exactly who I want coaching our team at this time.
I'm glad we can all agree on this. Ugh, the Bunting hire set UNC football back 10+ years and I will never forgive DB for that. Dumbest, dumbest, dumbest thing ever (it even edges out the hire/fire/re-fire disaster before hiring JB).
The Doherty hiring would've set UNC basketball back years and years if we hadn't been lucky enough to have Roy out there ready to come home.
Yep! That's what many of our fans have to realize, we can't simply pick-choose who we want to coach. Matt wasn't even 1st choice, we had to "settle". Let's not do that again! moou knows all about "settling".
I'm glad we have Bubba and hope he is still around when Roy does decide to hang it up. We have a much better chance of getting a great coach than when DB was around. And DB didn't get Roy to come home, Dean did.
All I know is UNC better have the next coach's contract signed before Roy leaves to avoid another potential 8-20 season.
I stood behind Doherty and I stand behind Roy now, and glad UNC does too.
I hope he's here another 10 years
I stood behind Doherty and I stand behind Roy now, and glad UNC does too.
I hope he's here another 10 years
As usual the weak sisters and professional pessimists, especially the OP, are in full force.
Glad these guys don't have my back.
Glad these guys don't have my back.
That is one thing with which you certainly need not concern yourself.
Anyone who thinks Roy has done an acceptable job with this year's team is delusional. If you want to give him a pass for his best friend's death in Dec and DES in February, then I have no problem with that.
I don't have much of a problem with Roy. Do I think he can do a better job with this group? Sure I do, and I think he would actually agree. I just don't think this is a very good team. I'm not being pessimistic, I'm being honest. Why is my outlook on this team's future so grim? We're returning the exact same team next year (I assume) that can't shoot and score consistently, unless Brandon Ingram comes and saves the day, and that's certainly no guarantee if he does come to UNC. Sure, players will get better, but how much? Will guys learn how to shoot? I have my doubts and for good reason. I'm not going to say positive things just for the sake of saying them. I hope to God this group proves me wrong in the long run, but I'm just not seeing it right now.
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No, no I don't. Life is hard but he is paid (lavishly) to coach and to win, often. Especially against Duke. He isn't doing that.
This is my first and last post in this thread.
I personally like Roy. That doesn't mean I agree with him on everything, but he is a good coach and a good steward of the program. I hope he leaves on his terms, not because the ancillary issues around the program force him to want to quit. We've been spoiled by success, and much of that success was of Roy's making. All but a handful of programs would love to have the success he has provided during his tenure.
The thread began after the NCSU loss. It was revived after the dook loss. This, too, shall pass.
I personally like Roy. That doesn't mean I agree with him on everything, but he is a good coach and a good steward of the program. I hope he leaves on his terms, not because the ancillary issues around the program force him to want to quit. We've been spoiled by success, and much of that success was of Roy's making. All but a handful of programs would love to have the success he has provided during his tenure.
The thread began after the NCSU loss. It was revived after the dook loss. This, too, shall pass.
please tell me we're not excusing this season's ineptitude on two tragedies in roy's life?...hey, if that were the case and he's not making the dance, it's a pass...thing is, the team is in the dance, as they have been the last three years...that does not excuse the performance on the court since the nit year...seems like decades ago, but roy and doherty took teams to an nit...sorry, but an nit is inexcusable for this program barring some sort of disease that infected the entire roster or the kids quit...that's not being spoiled, that's called expectations...there is no reason why carolina fans shouldn't expect to be competing for the league title every year...that's what dean did, instilled, and accomplished...being proud of the team competing to win is what i want...i don't feel a lot of proud moments from folks.
like i've said before, roy has the most job security on the planet...think about that for a moment...the reasons have grown the last five years.
like i've said before, roy has the most job security on the planet...think about that for a moment...the reasons have grown the last five years.
This is the case because of recruiting, which is a part of being a college basketball coach. Not buying that as an excuse.
Exactly. And what Roy does best is recruit. He is a marginal bench coach at best, when compared to the other blue bloods.
If someone wanted to argue that Roy has been handcuffed by the NCAA troubles, then ok. But that leads to a follow up question- will he be able to start successfully recruiting again once this has all been settled? And if we get sanctioned, then he won't be able to hit his stride until after sanctions end.
My whole point is that we need a bench coach now- an X and Os guy. Plus, can't just about anyone recruit for UNC when we aren't under investigation?
I'm not going to say Roy should be fired, because I don't think that should ever happen. But I do hope he has the grace to retire when he can no longer be effective.
Not buying this either. UNC Football, who's been mediocre (with a couple 2-3 year blips of greatness) for darn near 40 years, STILL churns out Top 25 recruiting classes more often than not. If Carolina Football can do that still, even under this aforementioned "black cloud," then there's no reason Carolina Basketball can't recruit at its usual elite level.
Furthermore, I'm not buying the NCAA troubles excuse because it would appear to me that elite level college basketball players are way, way less affected by potential NCAA sanctions than elite level athletes in other sports. In basketball you can leave after a year. Why would elite level recruits (who are only going to stay for 2 years max) care about future penalties that may or may not come down the pipe? This ain't football or baseball where you're locked in for 3 years, or a non-revenue sport where you're going to exhaust your eligibility and not "go pro" early.
Nope, just not buying that one.
I agree for the most part with the both of you on Roy in general. But to say the Great Unplesantness is not impacting Roy's ability to recruit is silly. It clearly has. He's said as much.
The point about UNC football still getting good recruiting classes is valid but here's the difference. You can get 25 3 star recruits in football and that might be a top 25 class. Football recruiting is about quantity as much as it's about quality. That's not the case in basketball. Four 3 star recruits in basketball wouldn't sniff the top 50. The talent pool for football is much deeper. In basketball, sure, you only need one or two studs. But everyone wants those 1 or 2 studs. Those 1 or 2 studs have scholarship offers from pretty much every program nationwide. The studs in football are usually more regionally recruited - meaning you're not battling it out with as many teams. With more teams involved, there's a higher likelihood of negative recruiting tactics. And there's just more competition.
Y'all name the 5 star football recruits Larry got....................................................
Recruits themselves have said it has affected their decisions.
But if beating up on Roy makes you feel good and you think we can do so much better-carry on.
Recruits themselves have said it has affected their decisions.
But if beating up on Roy makes you feel good and you think we can do so much better-carry on.
If saying that Roy is a mediocre bench coach when compared to the other blue bloods is "beating up on Roy" then we best just avoid talking about him at all.
I have said the NCAA mess affects recruiting. But the fact is that Roy's strength is his ability to recruit, and if he can't do it now for whatever reason, then what else is he bringing to the table?
I kind of agree. But I think many of our own underestimate Roy's ability as a strategist and bench coach. He's not the best. But he's not mediocre. He's a B to B+ IMO as a preparation and gameday coach. And that's pretty good. But your point remains that his best trait is that of a recruiter. And if that suffers, then yeah, we're kind of behind the 8 ball. At that point, we need lower rated ballers to come out of nowhere and be big time. Roy's ability to develop players plays a role there, but so does the mental make up of said player. I can't put that all on Roy.
The fact that Roy can bring a team with NO NBA talent to the brink of beating one loaded with it tells me the man can coach. Give him NBA talent and you talking final 4. Hate to tell you haters but the man can coach PERIOD!
Just because you don't agree with what he does has no bearing on his coaching ability. I didn't always agree with Dean either, guess who was the better coach?
Roy makes mistakes, but at the end of the day he's still pretty dern good.
Just because you don't agree with what he does has no bearing on his coaching ability. I didn't always agree with Dean either, guess who was the better coach?
Roy makes mistakes, but at the end of the day he's still pretty dern good.
you mean like butler this year beating carolna...what about belmot and uab from year's past?...they coached their teams to beat carolina.
coaching is everything, recruiting, adjustments, system, etc...he excels, or did, at recruiting guys to run up and down, or volume possession bball...he would much rather do that than play zone, run half-court offense, drive and dish, whatever...but like what's been said, when he's not landing nba talent, his deficiencies show...and guess what, it's glaring.
We've discussed this. There are times when Roy doesn't coach just to win a game. He coaches with a "bigger picture" mentality. Meaning, he's willing to sacrifice a game here and there if he believes it will help development and be more beneficial in the long run. That's why you see Roy not call timeouts. That's why you see odd substitution patterns and that's why you see odd line ups. Roy's just seeing what works and what doesn't in specific circumstances. And if he loses a game he shouldn't because of it, he can live with that. When we're winning 25-30 games per year, a throwaway game here or there isn't that big of a deal. But in the more lean years, those throwaway games hurt a bit more.
Yeah, how I view Roy as a coach is pretty clear from what I have said on the Radar & 4Cs threads, I don't need to re-write that here. I like much of what slinger says in the quoted post.
I think slinger hit on something that I don't think is discussed nearly as much as it may merit. WE fuss because we all feel something is off in recruiting and yet we don't really ever try to offer anything more than it is because of the NCAA investigation. I personally do not buy the NCAA stuff as the major point of concern, maybe with a recruit or 2 but to me there is a larger issue that slinger hints to and that I have spoken of before as well.
I think it is more a problem of our system being considered as difficult for freshmen to grasp and to excel with and it is a bit on the complicated side. These kids now days and especially those that think themselves really able to be one & done, they are looking for the course of least resistance to their goal of spending no more than 1 season in the college game. Kal caters to that by using a version of street ball he nick names the dribble drive, basically who ever as the ball drive with it, not so unlike what you see in a lot of AAU games or in most black tops in the country. What he does is not nearly as complicated and that is really important to these kids. That gets reinforced when they see a JMM, PJ, Jackson, THeo, Reggie, ect struggle as freshmen and yet Kal stocks the NBA lotto with his one & doners. Perception becomes reality and all the sudden the program they all first look to is the one that is stocking the NBA lotto with on & done players.
These kids don't want the hard path, they want the easy road, they don't want anything in their way to those milions and the perception of UNC is that you don't go there as a one & done, you go to UNC and you will be there for awhile. FYI, do not expect to see Bennet get many one & done stars either.
But ya know what, they said the same thing about Dean or have you forgot the needles of the only person that could keep Jordan under 20pts a game was Dean Smith? LOL
One thing we can ALL agree on, Roy sticks his foot in his mouth more than we would like! Always has and I guess he always will.
Honestly, last year we had a final 4 team with PJ and Lmac playing all season, but alas, we all know what happened there.
Honestly, last year we had a final 4 team with PJ and Lmac playing all season, but alas, we all know what happened there.
Roy told art chansky he's lost SEVEN OF LAST NINE recruits specefically due to af am and the fall out. Thats prob 3 or 4 recruiting classes being affected with losing 2 per class. Makes u wonder where we would be had those 7 come.
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sorry, but i have a hard time believing either one of them...while that might be what roy believes, that's not really true and he certainly wouldn't tell someone like that something like that.
i know he didn't lose curry, parker, and dozier because of it...and woods isn't going to chapel hill because of it.
i give roy and the players a lot of credit for today's win...they really had to nut up and do different things to get this one...and i think they can beat virginia if they guard and rebound.
I don't buy this for a second. Just don't buy that the NCAA threat has disrupted recruiting that much. Basketball players don't stay long enough for it to seriously affect recruiting. Plus, I wouldn't trust Art Chansky even if he said the sky was blue.
Great win today though. The team showed perseverance and determination. I'm glad Louisville missed a lot of open shots too!
Enjoy the win fellows. TWO great wins in the ACC tourney is worth celebrating, get on board and have fun!
Roy actually did some pretty nice coaching yesterday I thought. Nice substitution pattern and nice calls going to the zone. Hell, he even called a timeout with 8 mins left in the first half.
That was the first higher seeded team we have beaten in a tourney in a long, long time.
That was the first higher seeded team we have beaten in a tourney in a long, long time.
I agree! He did well yesterday with the subs. It never felt like we had a "bad" lineup in the game for any stretch. Really fun win. The only thing I didn't understand -- and I'm not sure if Roy called for this or not -- is when we jumped out to a 7-point lead with like 3:30 left and we get the defensive board on a Louisville missed shot..........we go for the "kill the clock" offense which resulted in a shot clock violation. We then tried the same thing on the next -- I think -- two possessions and they were also empty possessions.
JMHO, but in modern basketball, you can't "kill the clock" unless you're up by >8 and there's less than 2:00 minutes left. The 3-point shot just prevents you from doing it. Only team I've ever seen do it really effectively on a consistent basis is Duke. They'll go up by ~5 points and when it gets around the 5:00 mark, they'll start holding the ball til under :08 on the shot clock each possession. They're good at it though because they always have someone who can make a jump shot at the end of the shot clock more often than not.
Anyway.....good win! I enjoyed that one.
^ Yes, we were very fortunate that Louisville couldn't make shots. Otherwise that prevent offense we ran for the last few minutes would've prevented us from winning. That, plus we made all our FT's at the end.
Of the remaining teams, UVA is the worst match-up for us, but if we play focused and smart, Heels can win.
Of the remaining teams, UVA is the worst match-up for us, but if we play focused and smart, Heels can win.
