It won't change anything and the atmosphere will still resemble Davis Library, but I like that he at least publicly states that he's unimpressed with our home court "advantage."
I love that Roy criticized the Dean Dome atmosphere
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I couldn't agree more. With notable exception games, we have one of the most sedate home crowds in the country for a big time program. I think it's because we've had five and a half decades of sustained success and because of the seating arrangement of the Dean Dome. An apathetic sense of entitlement and poor seating arrangement don't make for a IU/KU/UK type of environment.
I can't help but SMH when some of our fans complain about empty seats in Kenan. Heck, even with 55 years of being a top 10 basketball program, we still have trouble filling the Dean Dome at times. And many of the fat cats sit on their hands for most of the game. But they financed the building so it is what it is.
Success has spoiled our fan base, pure and simple.
I can't help but SMH when some of our fans complain about empty seats in Kenan. Heck, even with 55 years of being a top 10 basketball program, we still have trouble filling the Dean Dome at times. And many of the fat cats sit on their hands for most of the game. But they financed the building so it is what it is.
Success has spoiled our fan base, pure and simple.
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^^ it's definitely mostly seating arrangement. You're on to something with the sense of entitlement though (but entitlement in general, not basketball entitlement). Kansas and Indiana's crowd is much more blue-collar than the Dean Dome's ever will be. Now, a big part of this is the student factor. But another part of it is those two schools and states produce more of a "blue collar" type of fan/alum who has season tickets than UNC does.
I disagree with your inclusion of Kentucky though. Their home atmosphere greatly resembles UNC. Similar stadium construction (i.e. too big) and seating arrangement with the students away from the floor.
I disagree with your inclusion of Kentucky though. Their home atmosphere greatly resembles UNC. Similar stadium construction (i.e. too big) and seating arrangement with the students away from the floor.
Please understand that this issue is more important than simply "looking good for TV." It can make a real difference in basketball. IU's crowd probably gave them an extra 5-6 points last night. You take those points away and when we go on our second half run last night, we would've taken the lead and that could have potentially changed everything.
Think of how many home games the past 10 years we would have won with an extra 5-6 points.
Think of how many home games the past 10 years we would have won with an extra 5-6 points.
I've been to a few IU games against some cupcakes & assembly hall isn't that loud all the time.
Roy needs to realize that UNC is circled on every teams schedule & the fans are going to be nuts when UNC shows up.
Have Roy go watch IU at home tomorrow night against SIU Edwardsville & see how loud & crazy they are.
Roy needs to realize that UNC is circled on every teams schedule & the fans are going to be nuts when UNC shows up.
Have Roy go watch IU at home tomorrow night against SIU Edwardsville & see how loud & crazy they are.
No one is claiming Assembly Hall is super loud and crazy for cupcake games. And yes, UNC is circled on every team's schedule.
The main point he was making is the Dean Dome is never as raucous or loud as Assembly Hall was last night, unless we're playing Duke. Assembly Hall gets loud for many games besides last night's. Also, look at places like Iowa State. Iowa friggin State is a crazy, raucous atmosphere. They can manage to do it, but we can't and we are the elite of elite in basketball royalty.
The DESC just doesn't get loud, even for big games, save very brief stints if we are making a big run or something and it's in a big game, and both teams are ranked highly. Our "atmosphere" can't hold a candle to Kansas. I'd love for the Dean Dome to sound like Allen Field House .
Yeah, I agree, I miss the old days when our gym was smaller but it rocked with a real 6th man advantage, we rarely get that any more. There is some truth to the entitlement mindset that has crept in to our fan base and as much as we hate Sam Cassels for saying it there is way to much truth in the wine & cheese statement than many of us like to realize. I think it effects us in a lot of ways, I do think it can be a factor in recruiting. Kids see games like what happened at Assembly Hall last night and they want to be part of the fun.
I still say build a new arena for UNC ... put the students around courtside .. put in luxury boxes etc ... have seating capacity of say 17,000 ..... needs a big Carolina blue video/scoreboard hanging over center court .. hopefully most would be happy
We have lost 22 games at home in the last 10 years. Of those games, only 9 would have been a different outcome with an additional 6 points given to the Heels.
Hey Roy, quit whining and coach. You know what helps quiet a loud home crowd? A visiting team that plays hard from the start ... a time out in the middle of a run to give the visiting team a chance to breathe ... not having 3 freshmen on the court coming out of a timeout after you've cut the lead in half.
Oh, and also, do you care anymore when the refs miss a call against your team? Or is sarcastic laughter your way of making that point?
GO HEELS
Oh, and also, do you care anymore when the refs miss a call against your team? Or is sarcastic laughter your way of making that point?
GO HEELS
Yea, this is a weird one for me... It's extremely rare you see a coach just rip into his own fanbase and get away with it. And Roy does it somewhat routinely. Seems like this happens maybe 2 or 3 times a year.
I also think it's just a basketball thing. You have more games and each individual game doesn't mean a whole lot aside from rivalry games. It's different from football where each game can nearly decide your season. We drop a couple home games, we'll still be playing in the NCAA tournament.
Also, UNC doesn't really have a UNC vs the world mentality. There's only one school that really has that culture and that's Duke. So it's probably more in Duke's culture to be more crazy each game because of that. The vast majority of other schools don't have that culture because it isn't our school against the world.
I think it's a much bigger problem if Roy's players weren't ready and were a little stunned by that atmosphere. Every returning player played for a national championship last year. And if a big atmosphere in the regular season shocks you a bit, you better sack up. The main question for Roy's teams through the years is usually are they soft? It's early, but they were soft last night.
Hard to be tough when your head coach acts like a surly cry baby all the time
Okay so you cut your number of home losses nearly in half. It's basically one less home loss a year (which means a lot, given how infrequently we lose each season). I'll take it.
I agree with Roy to a large extent about our home environment, I really do. However, I also find it "interesting" that any time a reporter asks him why he didn't call a time out to stop a run like last night when down 17 in the first half, he usually gets all bent out of shape. Roy picks and chooses when he wants to be critical, but almost never is willing to take it from the other side. Dish it out Roy, but be able to take it when you shit the bed as well.
I love what Roy said. It may ruffle a few fans' feathers but I couldn't care less. Sometimes the truth is painful. As a fan base, we are spoiled rotten.
Absolutely. What he said rings true, regardless of whatever he may or may not say about his own coaching and decisions. That's a completely separate thing from him (correctly) pointing out that the Dean Dome atmosphere is awful.
In all fairness, Roy routinely takes the blame for his team when they don't play well, much like Dean did. I can't count the number of times he's said "I need to do a better job of getting my team prepared." Ever heard the LOM say that?
Oh BTW, y'all should check out Brice Johnson's Twitter timeline. He went off on the Dean Dome crowd, echoing Roy's post-game comments. He should. He's earned that right. I'm not the type to do this and never have before, but I actually think I'm going to email Bubba about this issue.
And I'm glad Roy's comments are causing such squirming for a lot of the fanbase (referencing the thread on TOS). A lot of folks are saying stuff like "Oh our coach can't say that kind of stuff publicly!" Bullcrap. He has every right in the world to say it. Larry Fedora has every right in the world to call out Kenan attendance too, but he doesn't and is a saint for that.
Roy has every right to say what he said. A post-game presser after a huge nationally televised game is the perfect time to make the statement he made. That, plus the natural juxtaposition of Assembly Hall to the Dean Dome's stale atmosphere is the perfect way to effect change.
And I'm glad Roy's comments are causing such squirming for a lot of the fanbase (referencing the thread on TOS). A lot of folks are saying stuff like "Oh our coach can't say that kind of stuff publicly!" Bullcrap. He has every right in the world to say it. Larry Fedora has every right in the world to call out Kenan attendance too, but he doesn't and is a saint for that.
Roy has every right to say what he said. A post-game presser after a huge nationally televised game is the perfect time to make the statement he made. That, plus the natural juxtaposition of Assembly Hall to the Dean Dome's stale atmosphere is the perfect way to effect change.
Ya, the Dean Dome crowd gets bumping for Duke, but even a highly ranked Louisville or Virginia team won't get that treatment. I think a lot has to do with the seating arrangement. Some also has to do with the asinine student ticket policy (assuming its the same as when I was there 6 years ago) - where they make the kids that want risers and lower level seats (Phase 1 and 2) come in 2.5 hours before the game. They make them come in so early they bring in homework to do in their seats before the game even starts. Talk about a recipe for a snoozefest.
I like that Roy laid into the crowd/atmosphere. I like how the reporters lay into him about not using timeouts and using questionable rotations. He didn't coach to win that game last night - which is fine, I'd just like to see him admit that he was doing stuff "for the learning experience" we all know he does that anyways.
I like that Roy laid into the crowd/atmosphere. I like how the reporters lay into him about not using timeouts and using questionable rotations. He didn't coach to win that game last night - which is fine, I'd just like to see him admit that he was doing stuff "for the learning experience" we all know he does that anyways.
Brice also got on Roy for not calling time outs on his twitter page... guess the players notice it also.
Roy is right. I texted my dad about 5 minutes into last night that I wish we still played in Carmichael.
Not calling a timeout is ridiculous and no good comes from it but Roy has been that way for so long, I have come to expect no different therefore I don't get as ticked about it. Actually, I would've been shocked if he had called a timeout.
Roy has the right to complain about the DES atmosphere - just like we have the right to tell him to shut up and coach.
Somebody responded to Brice's tweet and said something to the effect of "I remember Stilman telling me about how loud it use to be in Carmichael during his freshman season in 1985" ..I understand the fallicies but found it chuckle worthy
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wow
people criticizing roy and the crowd at the dean dome?...in one single thread?...on raidar?
@Raising Heel was right...world is ending
people criticizing roy and the crowd at the dean dome?...in one single thread?...on raidar?
@Raising Heel was right...world is ending
Roy gets plenty of criticism every year. But then, that's what fans do. We can't do what he or the players do but we can criticize their every move. I love this quote by Teddy Roosevelt.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
Is that the quote Nick Weiler sent the Moo kicker after he botched the game winner at Clemson?
i agree 100% with this post. blaming our fans is the favorite topic on these boards (hoops and football), but i have never agreed with it. roy's (and fed's) coaching errors have cost us more games than the fans not screaming. concentrate on that, roy.
Well, seems to be 2 hot button topics here and maybe each deserve their own thread but want to speak tho them in this one.
First the time out thing, Dean saved them and Roy learned the value of it from Dean. Beside the point that they may be needed at the end of a half for short clock situations, granted that was not the case in that first half vs IU. The main point is this is the time of the season where you need your players to learn, coaching can tell you what to do but it is up to the players to figure out how to execute.
The coach does not set a single screen in a game, coach does not defend a single high screen, coach does not take any bad shots in a game, and a coach does not miss a single block out in a game. Players do all that stuff, players find adversity due to poor execution and players have to learn from those mistakes and they have to learn to over come that adversity. That is why Roy does not call time outs to stem a lot of these runs, he wants his players to learn to over come it, those lessons learned now serve us well late season and in to the post season.
As for what Roy said about our home crowds, he may be right in what he said but personally I would rather he not stay off in to those kind of things, especially after a loss. Worry about how your team played Roy, don't worry so much about who they played in front of. Roy has a habit at times of straying off on tangents and personally I don't think it is a good look for him. I would as well prefer he not talk individually as much about a player struggling right after a game and talk more in terms of his team. Dean never really was the kind to dwell much on an individual player not playing well, he kept those things for the practice court and was very effective in having a kid understand what he needed to improve on.
As for the fans Roy, work with the AD and the chancellor on ideas on how to fix the home crowd issues, those things do not need to be aired in public. Worry about what you can control now and that is your team and how they play. If you really feel the energy is lacking for our home games then work on ideas behind the scenes that will amp the energy up with those can can maybe help get that energy up. While I agree with what he says, sniping at our fans all the way from Bloomington Indiana after we just took a tuff loss does not strike me as the best way to fix the problem. I love Roy as our coach but he does have a habit at times of going off in to the deep woods with some of the stuff he says out of frustration and he would not accept that coming from any of his players, hold the same standard for your own words. IMHO
First the time out thing, Dean saved them and Roy learned the value of it from Dean. Beside the point that they may be needed at the end of a half for short clock situations, granted that was not the case in that first half vs IU. The main point is this is the time of the season where you need your players to learn, coaching can tell you what to do but it is up to the players to figure out how to execute.
The coach does not set a single screen in a game, coach does not defend a single high screen, coach does not take any bad shots in a game, and a coach does not miss a single block out in a game. Players do all that stuff, players find adversity due to poor execution and players have to learn from those mistakes and they have to learn to over come that adversity. That is why Roy does not call time outs to stem a lot of these runs, he wants his players to learn to over come it, those lessons learned now serve us well late season and in to the post season.
As for what Roy said about our home crowds, he may be right in what he said but personally I would rather he not stay off in to those kind of things, especially after a loss. Worry about how your team played Roy, don't worry so much about who they played in front of. Roy has a habit at times of straying off on tangents and personally I don't think it is a good look for him. I would as well prefer he not talk individually as much about a player struggling right after a game and talk more in terms of his team. Dean never really was the kind to dwell much on an individual player not playing well, he kept those things for the practice court and was very effective in having a kid understand what he needed to improve on.
As for the fans Roy, work with the AD and the chancellor on ideas on how to fix the home crowd issues, those things do not need to be aired in public. Worry about what you can control now and that is your team and how they play. If you really feel the energy is lacking for our home games then work on ideas behind the scenes that will amp the energy up with those can can maybe help get that energy up. While I agree with what he says, sniping at our fans all the way from Bloomington Indiana after we just took a tuff loss does not strike me as the best way to fix the problem. I love Roy as our coach but he does have a habit at times of going off in to the deep woods with some of the stuff he says out of frustration and he would not accept that coming from any of his players, hold the same standard for your own words. IMHO
save them for what? roy often does not call time out in late game or short clock situations either. roy's teams usually win by fast breaking their way to a big lead. unlike dean smith roy rarely wins a game by brilliant late game play calling. on this particular issue roy needs to follow the accepted practice in coaching -- not coach smith's example. when your opponent is on a roll a time out is an opportunity to make adjustments, give encouragement, coach up the younger guys to keep their composure, and hit the pause button on the opponent's run. everybody does it for a reason.
Careful. That's borderline blasphemy to some of these folks around here. lol.
People rip on Roy while praising Dean ("Roy does [insert thing] and Dean NEVER did that..." etc.) like Dean was perfection.
Anyone who took that many teams -- supremely talented teams, mind you -- to the big dance and only won it twice, well...that's not really perfection.
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As annoying as fans comparing Roy to Dean can be, it doesn't annoy me near as much as when people say we should be fine with taking a lesser known coach with no head coaching experience for Roy's eventual replacement, because Dean was a lesser known coach with no head coaching experience before we hired him. As if 1961 and 2016 are even close to the same environment for college basketball.
