Ian Steere
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He's the #174 ranked player in 2018 and a 3 star. We just signed 3 bigs with an average rating of 163. Maybe it's just me but I would prefer we get some bigs a bit higher regarded.
I completely understand where you're coming from but I want to see how much Steere rises in the summer rankings. I do think he can be a scholly candidate and he will rise in the rankings, just not sure how much.
I would agree if we had the luxury of having commits/players on the roster that are ready to play. I like taking NC kids and seeing them develop. I would be more in board if he were a guy ranked around 70-80 and could potentially rise. He's a big body, but with an offense that showcases bigs.....we need talent/skill too.
Yeah. This kid may be good but before we start aiming at 100+ (or 200+) players, I'd like to see how the current experiment plays out.
My biggest complaint about our 2017 recruiting is not the low-ranked kids we got - I am optimistic about at least 2 of them - and not the top-ranked kids we whiffed on. No, my biggest complaint is that we didn't go after those in-between - the guys from, say, 30 to 120.
I'm sure part of the reason we didn't go after those 30-120 kids is that Roy really thought we would land 1 or 2 in the top tier. We all thought that. After all, it's Carolina and we have starting positions and lots of PT available in the front line. Seems like a no-brainer, right?
Basically, you don't want the available scholarships grabbed by #60 and # 95 if you think you're going to sign #15 and #20.
But we waited so long for those top-ranked guys that by the time they made the wrong decision, we had to scramble for what was left. And we even missed guys in the lower rankings like Stokes (and initially Brooks).
Agreed.
One would think so.
I think that's exactly what happened. We're simply not going to sign guys that consider themselves OAD. Both Roy and the fans should know and accept that. It has been demonstrated over and over again.
So I think Roy should concentrate on offering recruits in the 20-80 range and offer them early. Let UK/dook/Zona/KU offer the OAD's. We'll build our team with very good players who will stay for at least 2-3 years.
I agree.
By all means go hard after a top ranked guy or 2 but ALSO offer and cultivate some in the next tier. And don't hold out for those bigs - especially those who are convinced they are OAD.
Our appeal to those OADs may improve over time, but it isn't happening soon. So, sure, offer them if they fit our needs and program. But don't put all our recruiting eggs in that basket.
If we hadn't filled up on 3 * bigs in 2017, I'd be less worried. I think he climbs up the rankings, but 2019 has a plethora of talent and we're in a better position for bigs in that class than we've been in years. We're already starting to look like we have another logjam situation on our hands.
Oh, the irony. We're known for our inside/outside offense, yet we struggle to sign top 15 big men. I think the reason is that top 15 big men consider themselves OAD and we're simply not considered a "get to the NBA ASAP school". And I'm perfectly fine with that. But I hate to see us waste time on guys like Giles/Knox/Zion when we have very little real chance of signing them. An education and a NCAA Championship mean much less to them than cashing that first NBA paycheck as quickly as possible.
An offer from UNC looks great on their resume but that's about it. So let's quit wasting time on them.
An offer from UNC looks great on their resume but that's about it. So let's quit wasting time on them.
I worry that the Bradley episode will be used against us by other schools.
How? Other fanbases always whine about how we have no OADs and claim that you can't be OAD at UNC. If a recruit actually buys into the spin of playing >15 minutes a game and potentially ending up a late first rounder on a National Title team into a negative, they need their head examined.
They should just go take the SKJ route at UK. Ride the bench for half your career and end kill your chances of being a high draft pick until your Junior year, at best.
Actually, Tony wasn't considered a OAD recruit coming in. The fact that he is getting enough positive feedback from the NBA to make him declare after only one year is only positive for UNC IMO.
It could help us longer term if he and had Dad don't have negative things to say about his experience. Leaving after one year and going second round isn't exactly the same as "OAD" from a recruit standpoint.
It's just a question of how they spin it.
If Tony gets a nice draft pick, they say "see, he hardly played for UNC and had to leave for his talents to be recognized. Imagine how much higher he could have gone if he came here.)
If Tony slides to the 2nd round or worse, they say "see Carolina doesn't develop their players to give them their best chance or showcase their skills."
The problem is, that you add spin like that to the existing fog, and it might stick.
A lot of the recruiting services now have him as a 4 star. Starting to get offers from the big boys including Kansas. Kid will be a top 50 player when it's all said and done and he's a big Tar Heel fan. He's a kid that flew under the radar until he enrolled at Wesleyan Christian in high point, same school that Theo and Harry's Giles went to. He's better than all 3 of the kids we have coming in. If he becomes a Heel, trust me, I will tell you I told u so for those doubting him.
The concern with Tony's situation is that they already don't think he was able to showcase his strengths. If he falls to second round, I can see his dad blaming that on UNC.
I 100% agree with those in this thread that want Roy to focus on the kids ranked 20-80. There are some great 3-4 year players in this range that Roy can build experienced and talented rosters with. I have no problem with him offering and recruiting OAD players but countless examples show us he isn't going to get them. Let's get those Brice Johnson, Marcus Paige, Joel Berry type recruits. Great college players but certainly not OAD type talent. I believe Roy can cherry pick these kids each year if he prioritizes them.
I 100% agree with those in this thread that want Roy to focus on the kids ranked 20-80. There are some great 3-4 year players in this range that Roy can build experienced and talented rosters with. I have no problem with him offering and recruiting OAD players but countless examples show us he isn't going to get them. Let's get those Brice Johnson, Marcus Paige, Joel Berry type recruits. Great college players but certainly not OAD type talent. I believe Roy can cherry pick these kids each year if he prioritizes them.
Recruiting rankings can be misleading, especially early in high school. Roy can get kids that can do well here outside of the top 20. I would rather the focus be there with maybe one kid per class that Roy goes after (if you get him, great).
Steere may end up developing, it's just overly exciting to keep getting shut out of top ranked kids.
Steere may end up developing, it's just overly exciting to keep getting shut out of top ranked kids.
As opposed to going to Dook, riding the bench, transferring out after your 1st or 2nd year, and becoming a star at a different school?
Or going to Kentucky, having Cal actively recruit over you year in and year out, and end up the next Marcus Lee?
I stick by what I said. If you actually buy into that, but are willing to take the situations at Dook or UK for face value, you need your head examined.
Like the rest of you, I share the same feelings regarding recruiting the kids in the 20-80 range. I'd take securing a class like 2012 early over going all in on OADs in the late signing period. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Unfortunately, Roy hasn't done that much as of late.
OADs are welcome, but putting all the eggs in those basket gives us what we got in the 2017 class.
OADs are welcome, but putting all the eggs in those basket gives us what we got in the 2017 class.
Duke's failures may be catching up with them, if you look at 2018. Of course it's early yet. You can even see a little slippage in 2017. The got Carter early, but the guys who waited (Bamba, Knox) went elsewhere.
I'm confused whether you are being critical of players who buy the Duke Kool Aid or are being critical of fans who see how the Tony situation can be spun against us.
Rumor has it, Steere has dunked on Huffman around 5 times. Sign me up.
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And how many times did Huffman return the favor?
That is as meaningless statistic as any that exist.
And how many times did Huffman return the favor?
That is as meaningless statistic as any that exist.
It was a video from a charity game last week and he dunked on him one time. The kid is very strong and athletic but this dunking on Huff thing is WAY overblown.
The former.
It's fine to come up with these things, but the players actually buying into them is what's ridiculous. A bit of rational thought can easily see through that.
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