Johnson and Hicks would both be first team all-Americans. That Dbag should foul out every game.
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If our bigs were allowed to play like Plumlee...
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The problem was the UNC-W player didn't go flailing when he was pushed. How are the refs supposed to know what is or isn't a foul if the player doesn't flop and flail like the dook players do? They're just helping out the refs. They're the real victims.
Well, the point about flopping is legit. Officials too often won't call a foul unless they see a reaction. So players who try and hold their ground but get knocked or pushed out of the way are punished for not acting. The Plumlee brothers have always pushed in the back a lot but a lot of big guys do. It seems like it should be a relatively easy call and I assume an official is assigned to that but they miss it a lot against a lot of teams.
On one of his put-back dunks he pushed and bulldozed a much smaller guy all the way from the FT line area down to the goal, and then jumped up and dunked it. I thought all the guy had to do was fall down and throw his arms out or something and it would've been a foul.. Should have been a foul anyway.
Actually, I know I'm probably in the minority here, I think a 4 seed is about right for them. Remember, they did beat two teams that are now #1 seeds in the tourney in us and UVA. That's a pretty big deal. Not to mention with one of their starters in street clothes for the year in Jefferson. Not many teams have that on their resume. Just saying....
I'll just disagree! 5th in their conference, lost first round in the ACC. They didn't beat UVA in my mind due to the horrible non-travel call, which if injuries are taken into account, then that should be. Lost a lost down the stretch. They are not one of the top 16 teams in the county. Just my opinion.
I won't go into whether Duke deserved a #4 seed as I've discussed that in other threads, but the above situation should have no bearing on their seeding whatsoever. If Jefferson were coming back this year, then sure - seed them a little higher than they deserve because they'd most likely be a slightly better team (not remarkably better as a lot of the doochies have been saying) in the tourney compared to what they were all year without him. But since he's not coming back - the fact he has been out all year doesn't mean squat, because the team in the dance will be the team we saw all year.
Basically, they shouldn't give out sympathy points for teams that have had injuries or suspensions or whatever.
Hicks was called for that same play in our game. Announcer commented how the ref may not see the push but when a guy moves from inside the lane to out of bounds pretty easy to guess how he got there
they ended the season 22-9 ..3 games different than yall....that uva play with the naked eye and w/o replay no one knew he landed....they lost in the second round, they went 1-1 in the ACCT....unc last season got a 4 seed and finished 5th in the ACC...w/ 10 losses...
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Ya that would be nice to see sometimes. Of course, if he did is as much, or as vulgarly as K - UNC would soon be right there with dook for most hated team in America. So in moderation, that would be nice.
No... Remember "K" went 8-8 in Dukes last 17 games. Jeff Capel Coached one game and due to the "Pete Gaudet" Rule,( "K") I think "K" finished 8-8 (50%)...
Didn't UNC make a bit more noise in conf tourney last year than the whimper dook made this year? Guess the notion of "how you are playing at end of season" doesn't apply to dook.
You finished 6th in ACC if you count Louisville. We went to the acc championship games last year. Don't twist or obscure the facts. You should've been a 5 or 6 seed. You have anywhere from 2-4 legit contendor level players on the court at any time this year.
The one thing Plumlee does that Brice has learned to do better but the other guys are still trying to figure out is playing like you aren't in foul trouble. Plumlee even when in foul trouble doesn't change the way he plays.
So, what you could be stating is that Plumbob never worries about fouling out?? I would attribute that to Coaching, myself...
Plumlee has done it all year. I harped on it in our first matchup with them where he had a good number of putbacks. Almost all were a result of pushes in the back.
Overall, officiating is not very good in the NCAA, mostly because it's inconsistent. How many ticky tack fouls have we seen called on the perimeter this tournament, and yet plays like the one highlighted with Plumlee go uncalled. There's no excuse for it.
Overall, officiating is not very good in the NCAA, mostly because it's inconsistent. How many ticky tack fouls have we seen called on the perimeter this tournament, and yet plays like the one highlighted with Plumlee go uncalled. There's no excuse for it.
(1) Plumlee did foul out against UNC-W with 3-4 minutes to go, and collected 4 fouls against Yale. It's not as if he wasn't getting called for fouls this weekend.
(2) While there are obvious problems with comparing seeding across years (as seeding is relative to the teams around them), reality is that UNC entered last year's ACC tourney without many high quality wins to bolster the resume. In fact, if you go back, pre-ACC tourney, UNC's highest rated win was a home win against Louisville (a 4 seed I believe) and it's highest rated non-conference win was against an OSU team that got a 10 seed. Thus, what UNC did in that tourney was significantly add on a resume that was pretty baren of high-quality wins to that point. Duke, by contrast, entered this year's ACC tourney with home wins over Louisville (would have been a 3 or 4), UVA (1), and Indiana (5), and a road win against UNC (1). Like UNC, it also had a decent neutral cite win against VCU (10 seed) and a solid home win over Yale (12 seed).
(3) If anything, this tourney has proven that the ACC deserved the benefit of the doubt when it came to seeding. For instance, say what you want about Duke getting a 4, but Yale led the 5 seed in our region from wire to wire. Also, obviously a 10 loss Cal basketball team (4 seed) went down against Hawaii, an 8 loss Purdue basketball team (5 seed) lost to Arkansas-Little Rock, and even a 9 loss UK team had 5-6 losses against teams that didn't even make the tourney. And we did obviously beat one 5 seed (Indiana) by 20. This was not a strong year in the 4-5 range of the bracket, and that's been proven by how most of the teams in that seed range have performed. I wouldn't have been up in arms if they had given us a 5, but it certainly wasn't a crime against humanity that we did get that seeding.
(2) While there are obvious problems with comparing seeding across years (as seeding is relative to the teams around them), reality is that UNC entered last year's ACC tourney without many high quality wins to bolster the resume. In fact, if you go back, pre-ACC tourney, UNC's highest rated win was a home win against Louisville (a 4 seed I believe) and it's highest rated non-conference win was against an OSU team that got a 10 seed. Thus, what UNC did in that tourney was significantly add on a resume that was pretty baren of high-quality wins to that point. Duke, by contrast, entered this year's ACC tourney with home wins over Louisville (would have been a 3 or 4), UVA (1), and Indiana (5), and a road win against UNC (1). Like UNC, it also had a decent neutral cite win against VCU (10 seed) and a solid home win over Yale (12 seed).
(3) If anything, this tourney has proven that the ACC deserved the benefit of the doubt when it came to seeding. For instance, say what you want about Duke getting a 4, but Yale led the 5 seed in our region from wire to wire. Also, obviously a 10 loss Cal basketball team (4 seed) went down against Hawaii, an 8 loss Purdue basketball team (5 seed) lost to Arkansas-Little Rock, and even a 9 loss UK team had 5-6 losses against teams that didn't even make the tourney. And we did obviously beat one 5 seed (Indiana) by 20. This was not a strong year in the 4-5 range of the bracket, and that's been proven by how most of the teams in that seed range have performed. I wouldn't have been up in arms if they had given us a 5, but it certainly wasn't a crime against humanity that we did get that seeding.
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