Is Roy Packing the Court?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Shades of FDR?

I know that few here think the men's basketball program should be hit with penalties from the NCAA. But just because we believe penalties are inappropriate doesn't mean they won't happen. Likewise, just because we think any penalties that might be handed down should be fought doesn't mean they will be fought.

I figure Roy knows that. And he knows that if there are penalties, they could include loss of scholarships. But he also has to figure that any scholarships already awarded will be safe.

So . . . what I think I see is 2 things Roy is doing to try to protect the program if that happens.

First, he's going after players to commit early. Then they'll be safely on board.

Second, he's bringing in quality walk-ons. Guys like Kenny Smith and Walker Miller. Guys who, by the time the restrictions might start to hurt, could step in and be good for us. And if we aren't hit with scholarship losses, maybe those guys earn scholarships.

Obviously I don't know if that's Roy's thinking. Maybe he would have made all these same moves anyway. Either way, I like it. Seems smart.

 

[imajericho]

You have to reduce scholarships if taken. You don't get to keep what you used.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

You have to reduce scholarships if taken. You don't get to keep what you used.

Really?

Doesn't seem fair.

 

[imajericho]

Tell that to Syracuse the one year they had to bounce a bunch of players.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

Timing is everything. No matter why he has changed his strategy, it seems to be a perfect fit with current recruits and UNC's status!
Roy is too smart to trust the NCAA to anything predictable. I think Miller will contribute soon!

 

[mikeirbyusa]

NCAA clowns touch UNC Basketball this will be court bound and the NCAA knows it.

 

[CarolinaMagic]

NCAA clowns touch UNC Basketball this will be court bound and the NCAA knows it.

As we've seen in the Ezekiel Elliott case you can't just make it up as you go along and do what you want. It will cost Carolina big money but they could get a court to issue a injunction and take this case to federal court. I don't think the NCAA wants that because it will cost them big money when a ruling comes out.

 

[imajericho]

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske...yracuse_basketballs_pursuit_of_high-impa.html

So if they agree to the same thing they did with Syracuse, anyone alrdy signed can play in 18 if they have financial agreements can stay and retain a scholarship.

So, let's say we are reduced 3 a year for 4 years. We have white and black coming in. Is francis 18? And maybe francis.

They would be allowed to come and the penalty would be able to start next year. No one in 19 would be allowed to sign a scholly if we didn't have a scholarship available which if we were at 13 and lost less than 4 players we would not have a scholarship available. No one signed for 19 would be honored despite whether they priorly signed or not.

I am not even sure if the 18s would count if they haven't signed financial packages yet. If not, we might not even have scholarships for them either.

 

[gary-7]

Shades of FDR?

I know that few here think the men's basketball program should be hit with penalties from the NCAA. But just because we believe penalties are inappropriate doesn't mean they won't happen. Likewise, just because we think any penalties that might be handed down should be fought doesn't mean they will be fought.

No.

 

[Heelswin]

As we've seen in the Ezekiel Elliott case you can't just make it up as you go along and do what you want. It will cost Carolina big money but they could get a court to issue a injunction and take this case to federal court. I don't think the NCAA wants that because it will cost them big money when a ruling comes out.

We will sue and others will sue, we and they will appeal, and they will be in court forever ... we will bankrupt the NCAA with legal fees if they touch Carolina ...NCAA will learn we play hardball at UNC! Bring your lunch, Emmert, and plan on staying a long, long time in court! I

 

[Littlejon]

If this were about football or women's basketball, we would've rolled over, taken what the NCAA wanted to give us and dealt with it. When the rumors started swirling about taking banners down and hitting the MBB team with scholarship losses, etc., then the pit bulls were brought in. Now that the real lawyers are in the mix, the NCAA's case against us has been picked apart to the point the best the NCAA can hope for is a settlement of some sort. II have no doubt, however, that the NCAA and Emert are too damn stoopid and arrogant to realize that they have no leg to stand on in court and WILL try to hammer us anyway.

Bottom line is UNC's administration screwed themselves early on because they let the pointed head, anti-ANYTHINGSPORTSRELATED academia whackos try to lay the blame for all of this at the feet of athletics while covering for AFAM and it's politically correct faculty. They wanted so bad to nail athletics, they didn't bother to look at the academics side and where the "studies"-type majors might not look so good when under scrutiny. Had they done so, they would've realized the shiite storm they were about to cause for themselves and left it alone. Since they didn't, they opened up a Pandora's box for themselves and the ONE athletic program not even the academic elites would dare go after - men's basketball. Now the University has no choice but to align itself with athletics to defend against the NCAA anal probe and I believe the athletics department basically told the academics to sit down, shut up and let the big boys handle it.

 

[Heelswin]

NCAA anal probe? You mean the NCAA wants to give UNC a colonoscopy?

Hope they get schyzt in their face!!!

 

[truetarheelraider0806]

To the op... It was a good point but this is not why Roy is recruiting the way he is now. What is really happening is kids just aren't as patient as they used to be. Where as before UNC could walk into akids house or school during senior yr and offer a scholly and be almost guaranteed to get started least an official kids now want you to show them love in some cases as early as freshman year of highschool. Also the one and done phenomenon changed recruiting for UNC even though we were the originators of the one and done or two and done other coaches like k and cal have said look UNC tries to keep the elite players down you go there and you will be there for a minimum of three yrs. Tony Bradley helps with that but Roy offering earlier has paid dividends as well especially when a guy like Coby commits and then blows up. I don't discount the NCAA but I think Roy is changing philosophy to fit the changing times more than to stock the cupboard before the NCAA ruling comes down

 

[DSouthr]

Shades of FDR?

I know that few here think the men's basketball program should be hit with penalties from the NCAA. But just because we believe penalties are inappropriate doesn't mean they won't happen. Likewise, just because we think any penalties that might be handed down should be fought doesn't mean they will be fought.

I figure Roy knows that. And he knows that if there are penalties, they could include loss of scholarships. But he also has to figure that any scholarships already awarded will be safe.

So . . . what I think I see is 2 things Roy is doing to try to protect the program if that happens.

First, he's going after players to commit early. Then they'll be safely on board.

Second, he's bringing in quality walk-ons. Guys like Kenny Smith and Walker Miller. Guys who, by the time the restrictions might start to hurt, could step in and be good for us. And if we aren't hit with scholarship losses, maybe those guys earn scholarships.

Obviously I don't know if that's Roy's thinking. Maybe he would have made all these same moves anyway. Either way, I like it. Seems smart.

I think you would be hard pressed to find those here that truly understand what the NCAA is alleging that really believe men's basketball and football for that matter should be hit, womens basketball I think they have a stronger case for and could get hit.

This is a posturing point, where each side wants to see how strong the opposition is willing to stand. Knock this piece of wood off my shoulder, step in to this circle and the fight is on. So far I would suggest UNC has kinda allowed the bully NCAA to run over them so why not pound them in to the dirt if they are not going to fight back. UNC has to stand up strong, draw that line in the sand and in a resolute voice say this is as far as we go, from this point on we fight and we fight to win. I really do not think the NCAA wants any piece of this going to court and I think UNC should realize that, the only down side for us is that it continues to not be resolved but so what, what else is new.

UNC should not accept the NCAA taking down banners, reducing scholarships to men's basketball or football, post season bans, or any admonishment to its coaching staffs in any way. Matter of fact if the NCAA wants to take this to court, get off the defensive and go to full guns, sue the NCAA for several million for stretching this out for so long, in itself an unwarranted punishment we have now endured for over 5yrs and continue to suffer from.

It is time that the school does what we expect from our sports programs and athletes, fight, refuse to lose, play strong and play together because the ceiling is the roof!

 

[Heelswin]

Teach the NCAA that we play hardball at UNC!!!

Sue them until they are bankrupt!!!

 

[Heels5150]

This case is quite simple. My friend who is one of the top criminal attorney's in the nation recently talked to me about this situation . He said he has gone over it multiple times and one thing is for certain. The NCAA will lose in Federal Court ( he said it shouldn't get there anyway) 100%. Academics and Athletes . No advantage to the athletes. The NCAA is trying to keep their reputation in order and are digging themselves a even bigger hole. Perception is the key here most people who are giving opinions do not have a clue of the facts of the case. The NCAA can just keep handing us National Championships but we will not lose ANY over this charade.