Some ABC guys at work believe there is. I told them that I did not believe it to be true. I don't have any inside knowledge of how boosters and admin feel about Roy right now. I am disappointed but always believe next yr will fix what is wrong with the team. What ya think? I am hearing people say now wait til next yr ! Everyone will be a yr old and luke Maye is coming in. who knows.
Is there any heat under the seat?
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I'm far from giving up on this year.
But yes, Maye will help.
Rumblings are there for sure, any time you lose it's there. Not privy to Boosters etc.
But yes, Maye will help.
Rumblings are there for sure, any time you lose it's there. Not privy to Boosters etc.
I'm not giving up on this year either, but can readily admit (hope?) that next year the team will have a better chance at going deep than it does this year.
As for Roy, I think whenever he leaves it will be on his own terms. Whether that means actually on his own terms, or told by the University that he needs to "retire", I'm not sure, but there's no way he'll be out and out fired.
Maye might help a little bit next year, but we better not be banking on him to save this team otherwise we'll be disappointed once again. He'll be a role player at best in his first season. Next year's success will depend on who stays from this team (hopefully everyone) and how they develop in the off season.
As for Roy, I think whenever he leaves it will be on his own terms. Whether that means actually on his own terms, or told by the University that he needs to "retire", I'm not sure, but there's no way he'll be out and out fired.
Maye might help a little bit next year, but we better not be banking on him to save this team otherwise we'll be disappointed once again. He'll be a role player at best in his first season. Next year's success will depend on who stays from this team (hopefully everyone) and how they develop in the off season.
Think about what you just posted. The "ABC" says it all.
Despite their wishful thinking, Roy Williams will coach at UNC as long as he wants.
Despite their wishful thinking, Roy Williams will coach at UNC as long as he wants.
No heat whatsoever. Definitely not his best coaching season but I give him a pass due to the injuries and, more important, the emotional toll of his two best friends passing away mid season --- a lesser man would have taken the rest of the season off and handed the losses to an Assistant Coach
Its gonna take consecutive top 5 recruiting classes with an okafor type thrown in to get this program where the fans expect it to be.
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Even if the University or boosters force him out, I don't think he's at the retirement stage. I think a series of things have Roy more physically, mentally and emotionally exhausted then he's ever been. You can see it on his face, win or lose. It doesn't help when your team isn't giving there best. I also remember Wanda is or was dealing with some health issues also. If he were to leave he will have a long list of schools calling him.
I don't think there are enough boosters in the world nor administrators to put an pressure on Ol'Roy that would compare to the pressure he puts on himself. He's had a tough go of it lately with the scandal, his wife's illness, the deaths of very close friends & his team's erratic play. I'm sure it has taken a huge toll on him and doubt any outside influences could and to that. Ol'Roy will retire when he decides. I'm sure he would like to go out on top or at least hand the reigns off with the program in great shape. Looks like he'll be around for a few more seasons!
Originally posted by bleeduncblue:
--- a lesser man would have taken the rest of the season off and handed the losses to an Assistant Coach
Excellent post. Sorry, but there is NO heat on Roy and likely won't be unless he pulls a couple of 8 win seasons, which ain't happening.
Bottom line is this "team" has some issues. It isn't talent, despite what some will say. We say Berry, Britt and even Tokoto light it up from outside more than once this season. Our big guys have had dominating games. And then there is Marcus. We even showed we could hang with dook without him being the man. No, we have more than enough talent to win it is just something that we fans can't see that is causing this team to fold. I believe there are some chemistry issues that are behind this. Look closely at the moo game and you will see they just weren't into the game. And don't believe for one minute it was because Roy didn't get them ready. He HATES moo as much as we do and even when we were playing like crap he could motivate them to get up for the pig fondlers. The other night they didn't communicate at all. No letting guys know about screens, no calling out defenses nothing.
I remember the '94 team having the exact same issues. With the guys returning from the NC team along with the guys they had come in we should have walked away with another title. Instead they imploded and even Montross admitted they didn't like each other much that season. If you see those guys together now, they still don't talk much.
Sorry, but I don't believe we are a worse team than the rest of these guys, I think there is something in the locker room that is causing this. Until/unless they figure it out, this slide won't change.
There is no hot seat, which is probably bad because Roy is so stubborn that only a truly hot seat could encourage him to re-look at what he has been doing and how he has been doing it. And only a serious and wide examination, with a willingness to make changes, can lead to total and lasting renewal of the program.
Only a truly hot seat under Bobby Bowden lead to him firing his son as OC and hiring Jimbo Fisher as OC and HC in waiting. If that had noit been done, FSU football today would still be muddling along with 7 and 8 win teams.
The '94 team showed that Dean was nearing the end, because he could not make 2 egotistical freshmen behave enough so that the team could reach its potential. I think that littlejon is correct: there is something amiss in the locker room with this UNC team.
This post was edited on 2/26 1:43 PM by WoadBlue
Only a truly hot seat under Bobby Bowden lead to him firing his son as OC and hiring Jimbo Fisher as OC and HC in waiting. If that had noit been done, FSU football today would still be muddling along with 7 and 8 win teams.
The '94 team showed that Dean was nearing the end, because he could not make 2 egotistical freshmen behave enough so that the team could reach its potential. I think that littlejon is correct: there is something amiss in the locker room with this UNC team.
This post was edited on 2/26 1:43 PM by WoadBlue
wonder if roy feels any heat himself...meaning, he's got an ego just like any other coach that's won...think he feels any pressure himself to produce better?...some of you act like this is a one year deal...it's been trending down before any significant loss of life, any significant loss of recruits, and any injury.
imo, he's got one of securest jobs in america...i get the feeling he feels safe.
imo, he's got one of securest jobs in america...i get the feeling he feels safe.
The only heat out there is coming from the ABC fools. As for this year I'm not giving up on this team because I believe we can do some big things.
I doubt there is any heat but I am not optimistic about next season. It'll basically be the same team with the possibility of Brice being gone. Without a shooter coming in, we'll see the same problems and ultimately will have a similar season as this year or last year. Things won't improve until we have perimeter threats outside of paige. If Brice leaves and everything else stays the same, we may be worse next year. Depth down low will become an issue.
ALL college basketball programs go through trends ... upward and downward - it's only natural.
Coach K has not gotten past the round of 64 2 out of the last 3 years ... with players who were lottery picks. Was he ever on the "hot seat" ?? Of course not, nor should he have been. Arizona disappeared for several years ... Florida and Michigan have had ups and downs ... same with Ohio State, UConn, Kentucky and UCLA. The most consistent program in the last decade from November to April has been Michigan State - I believe Izzo is the best current coach in the game for that reason, consistency.
The AFAM crap has been taking a toll on recruiting for the last 2 years and will continue to do so for a very long time - NOTHING that Roy or anyone else can do about that. Perception is reality, unfortunately. Go ahead and get rid of Roy and let someone else come in and try to recruit against the AFAM conversation ... that person won't beat the game either.
No no .. don't try facts or logic ... our program is in the gutter, our coach is washed up and we're unlikely to make the NCAA tournament at this point.
With all of the snow we got last night which made the morning commute a little tough I needed some real humor to make it thru the day and this thread was SO SILLY and FUNNY that it made me feel better. Roy is as good as there is so ONLY he will decide when the time is right for him to retire to his beach house
The majority of fans seem to expect us to be in there fighting for a title every single year and think that somehow that is possible. It isn't- not anymore. We are outgunned by coaches who go after the one and dones- two that comes to mind: Calipari- won one in 2012 and is odds on to win this year- but if you want that kind of coach leading our young men- you clearly lost the plot a long time ago. Coach K- well, we see how DOOK's been doing these last few years even with one and dones- not exactly making deep runs and everyone not seeing through royal DOOK blue glasses knows that DOOK's best days are behind them as well and that when K's contract with the devil(s) ends- DOOK will not be the same and you can kiss the prospect of even sniffing a title goodbye.
We need to be honest if we indeed are putting our priorities in order. I was lucky as hell to have grown up with DES as the larger than life figure he was to me as a young kid who watched or at least listened via Woody (and when I watched- I listened to Woody) every Carolina game from the day I got hooked- the 1982 Championship. We are fortunate that Roy came back- and he never had to. He could have stayed at Kansas avoided the comparisons to DES and living in the shadow. He would have won titles and forged his brand of basketball and likely never have been questioned the way that some from this greedy fan base question his leadership.
I won't hold my breath and wait for the glory days to come back- they won't be back. I have matured to the point that a UNC loss doesn't kill my day or weekend as it used to. UNC is my team and I will always support them however I will not stand by quietly as all of the armchair point guards and out of shape wanna be has beens throw Roy under the bus. If not for Roy- we'd be 2 titles fewer and all the kids who have come through the doors of the program would be lesser men without what he has passed on to them. Roy is a humble man- he has lived in the shadow of DES for his career and he would never admit that he has his own brand of special that he imparts to the kids- he'd have you know anything he does that is positive is a by product of DES. We are lucky- and if you need to latch on to a team that makes the final four every year on the back of a shady coach who would beg borrow and steal to get whatever kid he could to sign on for a year- this team would be better off and this fanbase would instantly be more credible and respected without you. All of the ABC fans have been smiling and laughing a lot these last few years- and I will admit my Tar Heel pride has been tested but I know that with Roy at the helm, the worst is over and he will steer us forward. I'll gladly take and appreciate Roy as our coach as long as he feels motivated as I know he wouldn't go a day beyond that.
We need to be honest if we indeed are putting our priorities in order. I was lucky as hell to have grown up with DES as the larger than life figure he was to me as a young kid who watched or at least listened via Woody (and when I watched- I listened to Woody) every Carolina game from the day I got hooked- the 1982 Championship. We are fortunate that Roy came back- and he never had to. He could have stayed at Kansas avoided the comparisons to DES and living in the shadow. He would have won titles and forged his brand of basketball and likely never have been questioned the way that some from this greedy fan base question his leadership.
I won't hold my breath and wait for the glory days to come back- they won't be back. I have matured to the point that a UNC loss doesn't kill my day or weekend as it used to. UNC is my team and I will always support them however I will not stand by quietly as all of the armchair point guards and out of shape wanna be has beens throw Roy under the bus. If not for Roy- we'd be 2 titles fewer and all the kids who have come through the doors of the program would be lesser men without what he has passed on to them. Roy is a humble man- he has lived in the shadow of DES for his career and he would never admit that he has his own brand of special that he imparts to the kids- he'd have you know anything he does that is positive is a by product of DES. We are lucky- and if you need to latch on to a team that makes the final four every year on the back of a shady coach who would beg borrow and steal to get whatever kid he could to sign on for a year- this team would be better off and this fanbase would instantly be more credible and respected without you. All of the ABC fans have been smiling and laughing a lot these last few years- and I will admit my Tar Heel pride has been tested but I know that with Roy at the helm, the worst is over and he will steer us forward. I'll gladly take and appreciate Roy as our coach as long as he feels motivated as I know he wouldn't go a day beyond that.
Absolutely ZERO heat. Look, Roy is partly to blame, no doubt about it. However, the major problem is recruiting and this 100% on UNC's horrible administration who have bent over backwards over this scandal. Of course the NCAA is taking their sweet time on purpose. They know they aren't going to do anything to UNC and they know the delay is hurting UNC so they are doing it on purpose.
Thanks bleed.Originally posted by bleeduncblue:
No heat whatsoever. Definitely not his best coaching season but I give him a pass due to the injuries and, more important, the emotional toll of his two best friends passing away mid season --- a lesser man [/B]would have taken the rest of the season off and handed the losses to an Assistant Coach
You're one of the good guys around here.
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he knows his job security is fine...hmmm, not the real world at all...he's not getting fired.
it's okay to expect to be great...it's unrealistic to expect a title every year...to be in contention for a title is not unrealistic for this program...if you disagree, then you're okay with being mediocre.
this is not a top 10 college bball program...i expect that!
it's okay to expect to be great...it's unrealistic to expect a title every year...to be in contention for a title is not unrealistic for this program...if you disagree, then you're okay with being mediocre.
this is not a top 10 college bball program...i expect that!
Dang Geth, not much more needs to be said!
I was turned on to he 'Heels a little sooner than you (Phil Ford's first year), but feel blessed to have been a part of some dang good rides over the years. You are right, times have changed and we are dang lucky to have Roy leading this program. I really don't know who will replace him when he does call it quits, but I would be willing to bet we fans will wish we had another Roy.
I was turned on to he 'Heels a little sooner than you (Phil Ford's first year), but feel blessed to have been a part of some dang good rides over the years. You are right, times have changed and we are dang lucky to have Roy leading this program. I really don't know who will replace him when he does call it quits, but I would be willing to bet we fans will wish we had another Roy.
Don't think there's Any heat in Roy that he doesn't already put on himself. And for the record, Luke Maye is not the type of recruit that will add instant fire power to this team. He's a 4 year player and likely won't be much more than a role player for 2 years at best. To think he will turn the tide is beyond ambitious.
Don't think I've read where anybody said he would "turn the tide". but he is a lot nicer plaayer than many realize and he has a high BBALL IQ! That is something we desperately need!
Here is what Clint says about him......................
"Maye is a skilled, fundamentally sound PF who can face up and shoot
the ball. He's also a bull inside with a back-to-the-basket game. He
can score in a lot of ways from jump-hooks, up and unders and short
shots to mid range strikes and three-pointers. Defensively, he'll
rebound his area and give you a strong presence inside the lane who
can body up his man."
AND he LOVES UNC!
We don't have a bull on the whole dern team! And the fact he has a jump hook NOW is something else we don't have and how about a Big who can shoot from the outside? Lot to like in Maye, he will help us couple that with our 3 freshmen becoming sophomores and now Meeks can work on lift vs just getting weight off. We will be very much improved next season in spite of all the naysayers.
Here is what Clint says about him......................
"Maye is a skilled, fundamentally sound PF who can face up and shoot
the ball. He's also a bull inside with a back-to-the-basket game. He
can score in a lot of ways from jump-hooks, up and unders and short
shots to mid range strikes and three-pointers. Defensively, he'll
rebound his area and give you a strong presence inside the lane who
can body up his man."
AND he LOVES UNC!
We don't have a bull on the whole dern team! And the fact he has a jump hook NOW is something else we don't have and how about a Big who can shoot from the outside? Lot to like in Maye, he will help us couple that with our 3 freshmen becoming sophomores and now Meeks can work on lift vs just getting weight off. We will be very much improved next season in spite of all the naysayers.
Heat will be next season, if this team is at this same point next year. That's a real possibility considering that change is unlikely.
Originally posted by gteeitup:
he knows his job security is fine...hmmm, not the real world at all...he's not getting fired.
it's okay to expect to be great...it's unrealistic to expect a title every year...to be in contention for a title is not unrealistic for this program...if you disagree, then you're okay with being mediocre.
this is not a top 10 college bball program...i expect that![/QUOTE]Yea... I don't think Roy's job is nor should be in jeopardy. This kind of lull happened to Roy at KU for a 3 year stretch, but it's more frustrating when this happens to a team you root for.
I am disappointed with where the program is today. It's dropped significantly from 4 years ago. I do think it's a top 5-10 program still, but there's no question it's been passed up by several teams.
I don't think that will change much with Maye next year. He's probably going to struggle to get PT over Johnson, Meeks, James and Hicks. Our front court rotation is pretty deep and I don't think a freshman will pierce it unless one or two leave.
Health is random too. We can be just as injured next year.
Last year this core shot 33.6% from 3 and 62.6% from the FT line.
This year, the core is shooting 32.8% from 3 and 68.9% from the FT line.
I don't think another "down" year next year puts heat on Roy either. He'll choose when he's done and he's earned that right.
Although, I do hope the administration is considering who's next, because the next coach will be the most important decision that sets the foundation for the next 15-20 years. Can't afford to make a mistake.... Especially if the program is not back to the elite status it was in the beginning of this decade.
he knows his job security is fine...hmmm, not the real world at all...he's not getting fired.
it's okay to expect to be great...it's unrealistic to expect a title every year...to be in contention for a title is not unrealistic for this program...if you disagree, then you're okay with being mediocre.
this is not a top 10 college bball program...i expect that![/QUOTE]Yea... I don't think Roy's job is nor should be in jeopardy. This kind of lull happened to Roy at KU for a 3 year stretch, but it's more frustrating when this happens to a team you root for.
I am disappointed with where the program is today. It's dropped significantly from 4 years ago. I do think it's a top 5-10 program still, but there's no question it's been passed up by several teams.
This core for two years has pretty much been the same team. Team that can't shoot from 3.... A great offensive rebounding team and an average defensive rebounding team.
I don't think that will change much with Maye next year. He's probably going to struggle to get PT over Johnson, Meeks, James and Hicks. Our front court rotation is pretty deep and I don't think a freshman will pierce it unless one or two leave.
Health is random too. We can be just as injured next year.
Last year this core shot 33.6% from 3 and 62.6% from the FT line.
This year, the core is shooting 32.8% from 3 and 68.9% from the FT line.
I don't think another "down" year next year puts heat on Roy either. He'll choose when he's done and he's earned that right.
Although, I do hope the administration is considering who's next, because the next coach will be the most important decision that sets the foundation for the next 15-20 years. Can't afford to make a mistake.... Especially if the program is not back to the elite status it was in the beginning of this decade.
Maye should prove to be a combo F whose smart play and ability to shoot outside in the half court offense will help us a good deal, at least at times. But he is not going to help our perimeter D much if any. And if we do not see improved 3 point shooting from at least 2 of our guards, then we likely see nosignificant improvement in our half court offense even if Maye is really sound.
And then there is the matter of PT. If Roy decides that running up and down the court the fastest is the prime directive no matter the outcome, Maye coukld be easily the best perimeter shooter on the team and barely get PT. Maye is not going to out run many UNC players who don't play C.
great point by Woad. he will be a liability on defense, just as all freshman are to a degree, but think he has in between height and below average athleticism in the ACC which don't bode well. i also think that he will be a nice complimentary player for us and help us in stretches, but frankly, he just doesn't fit the mold for what Roy will continue to do with our team offensively. I also don't see him taking minutes from all the returners we'll have next year. We need an elite PG, a real scorer on the wing and a reliable center who can put the ball in the basket and hold his own on defense.
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