And moving Kennedy up high would help to decongest the lane and open up driving lanes for our wings.
Its Time to Realize it...
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Welcome to the board. Enjoyed your post.
But nothing raises hackles and blows circuits in here more than comparing a recruit or player to a previous player. People cant grasp that you're not saying they're as good, justnplay similar roles or have similar styles. I compared seventh woods' game to vince carter's once....Dont remember a thing after that.
But nothing raises hackles and blows circuits in here more than comparing a recruit or player to a previous player. People cant grasp that you're not saying they're as good, justnplay similar roles or have similar styles. I compared seventh woods' game to vince carter's once....Dont remember a thing after that.
[Blue font] Seventh is nowhere near as good as Vince! What are you smoking?! [/Blue font]
OK I'll bite. We certainly need 2 shooters that are proficient out to 3pt depth. They don't have to be the 2G though. Name a team that has 3 3pt shooters not named Golden State. JB and JJ are perfectly capable of keeping the D honest which is all we need shooters to do. (JJ & TP prolly don't care who is called a 2) Theo at 2 adds slashing, length, D, rebounding,potential mid-range, and more playmaking. It is not conventional, but Roy doesn't feel the need to bow to convention if it keeps one of his 5 best off the floor!
KW. BRob, and 7th will all get the time needed to see who can step up, knock down their shots, D up, and provide that change of pace. None of them HAVE to take over though since I think we have it covered as is. When they are in, Theo can slide to 3 or 4 and teams will have to play entirely different D. This doesn't even account for Maye's potential shooting.
Meeks in the high post certainly SEEMS like a great idea, but we don't know if he, Isiah, or TB are particularly good at their part in it. A coach can't just insert something unless his peeps execute it well. This is why we can't suddenly start playing zone in the middle of a season!
KW. BRob, and 7th will all get the time needed to see who can step up, knock down their shots, D up, and provide that change of pace. None of them HAVE to take over though since I think we have it covered as is. When they are in, Theo can slide to 3 or 4 and teams will have to play entirely different D. This doesn't even account for Maye's potential shooting.
Meeks in the high post certainly SEEMS like a great idea, but we don't know if he, Isiah, or TB are particularly good at their part in it. A coach can't just insert something unless his peeps execute it well. This is why we can't suddenly start playing zone in the middle of a season!
I am not saying they have to dominate from the 2 guard spot, I am saying they have to be solid enough threats that defenders can not allow them the wide open shot and go double team someone else. To me Theo is a guy teams will allow to shoot as they either double someone else or establish rebounding position.
Perhaps, perhaps not. And as I said, I want to see both of them taking the ball to the basket more often, not just settling for perimeter shots. Like Dave, I think we'll see a significant amount of zone defense this year, with defenses daring us to prove we can drain the trey.
Can't hurt to try Kennedy in the high post, can it? He's struggled to finish through contact down low for 3 years, hasn't developed a hook shot to compensate for his lack of lift, and consistently establishes position so deep under the basket that it acts as another defender, causing him to lean back into the defender and making his shot very easy to block. He proved in high school that he is proficient at knocking down the 15-18 footer. He also established that he is a good passer for a big man. When you couple those factors with the additional space in the lane that would be provided by stationing him at the FT line, thereby creating more room for our forwards to slash to the basket, it makes a ton of sense to do so.
Putting Kennedy in the high post does move one of our better rebounders away from the basket, but it also moves opposing centers away from the basket. And remember, Kennedy's rebounding stats are skewed by him getting 2-3 OR's every game when his shot is blocked by a defender or by the rim/backboard when he gets too far beneath the basket. The additional room in the lane would allow JJ, Isaiah, and Theo to compensate on the boards. I see it as a win-win situation.
I really don't think we are actually disagreeing. And I hope teams zone us because I believe we have some devastating shooters this year and I'm including KW, Maye, and BRob + JB & JJ! I also think Meeks should be good in the high post, but Roy is too good a coach not to notice it too. Gotta be a reason it hasn't happened. Teams that back off Theo just give him a head of steam and he has a great midrange/distribution game! I don't see him as the hesitate or indecisive type.
Why do y'all think that Roy hasn't played a lot of high/low post?
Why do y'all think that Roy hasn't played a lot of high/low post?
I think he has actually. I remember countless times Brice fed Kennedy/Hicks from the foul line/elbow. Then going back, I remember Henson/Zeller/Hans doing the same.
Didn't Roy have a great year at Kansas with Drew Gooden and Nick Collison playing high/low post too?
I don't think Roy's adverse to it at all, it may depend on the bodies he has and what they're willing to play. We'll all see soon enough!
Roy has so many different options with this group. Gonna be a fun bunch to watch y'all!
That's what I see as well. The combinations he can put on the court are staggering. All of our peeps can run too and that can be devastating. It won't be long until peeps are complaining because Roy plays too many guys, but I think this year his rotations will be very fluid.
We have seen Roy use the high post before I agree, but I still think he sees more potential with Meeks closer to the basket for some reason. I was specifically talking about Meeks/Hicks/TB dynamics. Maybe it changes this season and maybe Meeks figures out how to use his body inside and explodes. I'm excited by the prospect either way.
We have seen Roy use the high post before I agree, but I still think he sees more potential with Meeks closer to the basket for some reason. I was specifically talking about Meeks/Hicks/TB dynamics. Maybe it changes this season and maybe Meeks figures out how to use his body inside and explodes. I'm excited by the prospect either way.
We are blessed with several versatile players which indeed gives Roy many options regarding possible lineup combinations. Barring Kennedy showing that he's capable of playing 28-30 MPG, I really hope we'll see more small ball this year with Isaiah, Theo, JJ, player X, and Joel. It was very effective last year and I think could be again this year.
I'd also like to see Roy switch defenses a few times a game to keep offenses off balance. Not only was our zone effective on the few occasions we ran it last year, It could help with Isaiah's foul issues. I also think the small lineup could be an effective trapping team, something I'd like to see us spring on teams from time to time. But I know Roy doesn't like zone defense and I don't have much faith that he will use it much. Just as I don't have much faith that we'll ever see Kennedy in the high post, although he's perfectly suited to play there. Or I don't think we'll ever see Roy spread the floor an utilize the dribble drive motion offense, something many, many schools routinely employ to great effect(see d00k and UK for two prime examples). Joel and Theo could both live at the line in this offense, something Allen and d00k do every game.
Don't get me wrong, I love our motion offense. But the lane has been getting more congested every year, something that is exacerbated by our seeming inability to knock down treys and make teams pay for helping down(like they routinely do to us). I just think we're too predictable, both on offense and defense. If there's one thing I'd change about Roy, it would be to make him a little more flexible in managing games.
I agree to an extent, but I think we are seeing incremental changes in Roy's philosophy. He has been playing zone a bit, he has been experimenting with lineups, he has been showing different defensive sets and alternating between the scramble, switch on the perimeter, doubling down and across; zones (1-3-1, 3-2, 2-3, etc). He has tweaked our offense, but when you have Brice, it would be foolish not to make him the center piece. I bet this year, unless Hicks has a Brice-like explosion which is possible, we will see a more perimeter based O. We run a motion O off our secondary break and run our Freelance O and I don't see anything significant that is different between this and the Dribble Drive.
Well saw Brice doing a pretty good job last season on the high side, not that we don't run our version, just Brice tended to settle for the mid range jumpers. I want to see more high post pick and roll action, set that screen and roll directly down looking for the pass over the top, gimme some of that 2 man game action, some of that Stockton to Malone action! Meeks IMO has a great set of hands, I think he could be really work that well.
I couldn't agree more, Dave. I'm going to quit harping on it because it will have no bearing on Roy's game plan. But it is very frustrating to me.
In the final game, it was readily apparent that Villanova had no answer for Brice whatsoever in the post. I kept hoping Roy would isolate Brice inside and keep dumping the ball down to him, Brice would have finished with 40 points and we would have won. I've seen a guy score 6-8 points in quick succession and get subbed for more times than I can remember during Roy's tenure, and quite a few times during Dean's tenure as well. Personally, I think you ride the hot hand until he cools off or the opposing team makes adjustments to stop him. Villanova had no one who could cover Brice. Yet Kennedy took only 2 less shots, despite going 1 for 8, and Paige took 17 shots. Not good game management.
Yup. Roy has a swarm of long-limbed, athletic guys who could come on, trap for 2-3 min, cause havoc and then sub out for a breather.
I believe giving MP the ball in crunch time IS good game management! You don't shy away from a guy that has been a killer for years just because of a slump; you have to figure he will break out AND the should have been game winner proves it. I agree on the feeding the Brice monster idea and I wish that had happened, but Roy's style got us within 3 seconds of a Natty so I have to defer to him there. I want to see tweaks to our O based on what our coaches see in practice/games, not adoption of other systems just because they are successful TOO. We have been at the top of the college world in scoring for a few seasons. The dribble drive depends on one guy too much to me and we already play a motion O.
The thing about this is that they DID stop Brice by clogging the lane and forcing our guards to make perimeter plays and quit letting us play through our bigs. It doesn't matter how many times Brice scored the ball when he got it because the objective was to limit his touches and it worked...........
Ergo, why I said "isolate Brice down low" which is most easily done by spreading the court, thereby giving Brice room to take his man one on one. Teams do this all the time when they have a mismatch that the opposing team can't defend. We didn't make the changes necessary to continue to get the ball to our red hot player. I'm all for balanced scoring night in and night out, but when you have a hot horse, ride that sucker all the way to the finish line.
I dont see any combinations that put more than two decent scorers together. Maybe some players will have massively improved and change that. I hope so cause i dont see a lot of scoring. I think it'll be one ofnthe better defensive teams we've seen in a while though.
Couldn't disagree more. We have every reason to believe that Joel, JJ, and Isaiah will all be good scorers, not merely decent scorers. And Kennedy was already a decent scorer, albeit in limited minutes. I think we'll score pretty readily, and I agree we'll be quite good defensively, something that will key our running game. Our back court, in particular, should be right up there with the best defensive back courts.
I guess I was a little off, but they do have some Hint similar to the 05 and 09 teams now!
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