Jarred Vanderbilt commits to UK
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But I couldve sworn Cal was just recruiting him to push PJ to commit faster?
What is he offering that we aren't or can't?
He has only won one natty with his OAD way of coaching so it's not like he is killing us by doing it!
He has only won one natty with his OAD way of coaching so it's not like he is killing us by doing it!
Look at every draft since 2010. No one else can offer that.
Piss poor excuse!
Those kids can commit to Carolina and leave after one year if Roy is recruiting them just like they do at UK!
We've had this conversation 80 times on this board but you're being a complete homer if you think our track record for doing that vs. UK's is even remotely similar.
Can we at least be realists here and give Cal some credit, year in year out people want to play for him. Obliviously he is doing something right
Not surprised. Figured UK all along. I'll wait for the next disappointment when Knox picks dook.
Ky's run of top recruiting classes is unreal. Gotta give em props. All i'll say though is that if they dont get another title in the next couple years with all the nba talent going thru there then cal will deserve a lot of criticism for underachieving.
He can't and he doesn't. Sadly that's the point that flies past these kids. The used car salesman has created this circular logic that elite recruits should come to ky because they send players to the NBA... because, um, elite recruits come to uk.
Perception, perception, perception. Whether we think it's true or false makes no difference. It only matters what these recruits hear and believe. Right now UK and Dook are looked at as a fast track to the nba while Carolina is a place for 3-4 year players.
My feeling is Roy recruits with integrity and Cal tells them a story of great things even if he don't know if he can give them what he says he can!
I will take it Roy's way all day everyday Roy has one natty since Cal has been at UK and Cal has also one so I don't see that there is ano issue other than we don't get the banner of top recruiting class every year!
Roy's plan gives us a 2 to a 3 year window to win a natty with his recruits Cal only has that window for one season to develop player and then it's a starting over process!
I will take it our way!
I will take it Roy's way all day everyday Roy has one natty since Cal has been at UK and Cal has also one so I don't see that there is ano issue other than we don't get the banner of top recruiting class every year!
Roy's plan gives us a 2 to a 3 year window to win a natty with his recruits Cal only has that window for one season to develop player and then it's a starting over process!
I will take it our way!
What do they do so different and special that gets them into the league faster, other then Cal getting multiple top 20 players to go there? Specifics?
My question exactly, he is implying that Cal develops players fastest than Roy does!
It's a BS argument they can leave from Carolina just as easy after one season as they can from any where else Roy isn't tying them up in a basement to keep them from leaving after they freshman seasons?
Hi - I have not posted in a long time but this topic has been swirling in my mind for a few years.
When I place myself in the position of a blue-chip, 5-star recruit (top 20 national talent), I find myself unable to make a strong case to go to UNC over UK (NBA fast track with a high level of recent professional success) or Duke. What does Carolina offer that sets it apart?
Winning a Championship last year would have helped lessen the gap, but we may be sitting on the brink of some tough years ahead for Carolina.
When I place myself in the position of a blue-chip, 5-star recruit (top 20 national talent), I find myself unable to make a strong case to go to UNC over UK (NBA fast track with a high level of recent professional success) or Duke. What does Carolina offer that sets it apart?
Winning a Championship last year would have helped lessen the gap, but we may be sitting on the brink of some tough years ahead for Carolina.
There's no doubt that that is the perception. Know what? I'm fine with that. If a kid is looking for the fast track to the NBA, by all means go to d00k or UK. I know some of our fans want us to sell out and promote the OAD system like UK and dook. Winning is paramount to them. It isn't to me. AndI would be willing to bet that most UNC fans that feel that way are younger fans for whom instant gratification is all that counts. I'm all about tradition. If these kids don't value that, then I prefer they go elsewhere.
Pitt, you've hit the nail on the head... to understand the decisions of 17yr olds we should all look at the options objectively.
We should also look at perceptions, window dressing and the likelihood of garbage negative recruiting.
Lastly, you need to remove most of the logic you'd expect to use when making such a a decision.... eg, UNC's abundance of front court playing time next year.
All that makes it easy to see why top recruits are picking some of the other schools.
Does that mean they're making good choices? Hard to say. I don't think Humphries made a good choice, nor did SKJ, delaurier will ride pine in derm all this year too and there's a bunch of good players who're probably not getting the promised riches (PT). Now the "top talent" they'll start anywhere they go - be it dook, kensuck or anywhere else so how they come to their decisions is well above my pay grade.
As for Vanderbilt, he's made his choice, doesn't want to be a Heel, just another college player as far as I'm concerned.
We should also look at perceptions, window dressing and the likelihood of garbage negative recruiting.
Lastly, you need to remove most of the logic you'd expect to use when making such a a decision.... eg, UNC's abundance of front court playing time next year.
All that makes it easy to see why top recruits are picking some of the other schools.
Does that mean they're making good choices? Hard to say. I don't think Humphries made a good choice, nor did SKJ, delaurier will ride pine in derm all this year too and there's a bunch of good players who're probably not getting the promised riches (PT). Now the "top talent" they'll start anywhere they go - be it dook, kensuck or anywhere else so how they come to their decisions is well above my pay grade.
As for Vanderbilt, he's made his choice, doesn't want to be a Heel, just another college player as far as I'm concerned.
I have been a huge Carolina fan since 1985. Carolina pioneered the early entry player (Worthy, Jordan, and JR Reid over a 7 year period when it was rare to ever leave before exhausting eligibility).
To quote you, "winning is paramount" to me now, as much as it was in the 80's and 90's. We should have won more championships but were the perennial Sweet 16/Elite 8 bridesmaids. We were the Kentucky/Dook/"we don't recruit, we just anoint" program of that era. It's always been about winning for me.
If not instant gratification and winning, what is "paramount" to you?
Who is to say what a "good choice" is? Is it what gets you to the NBA? Is it what gets you better education and better job if the NBA is not in the cards?
For whatever reason, I used to think Dook could not develop bigmen. The NBA is littered with Dook bigmen right now and one of my favorite all time players (Hansbrough) may have a shorter NBA career than Cherokee Parks.
Perhaps my "perception" was off.
If the worse decision a 17 yr. old kid makes is picking the wrong scholly to take then he's probably going to be fine. Life is a learning experience.
Winning basketball or football games has never been the most important thing to me, nor was it to Dean. If it is of paramount(per Webster, superior to all others) importance to you, you're rooting for the wrong program.
My goals for our athletic teams:
Graduate our players.
Run a clean program.
Represent the university with class and distinction.
Achieve at a high level.
IOW, the same goals basic goals I have for every UNC student. If all you care about is keeping players eligible long enough to possibly win a title, you need to root for UK or d00k.
I bet you're tons of fun to hang out with.
False!!! I know people hate Cal but every recruit will tell you that he promises nothing! He's straight up with them and tells them they will have to earn everything, compete their ass off and go to class. That's why they love him!!!!
Yeah, realists usually are really depressing to optimists. However, realists are the ones who do not get blindsided and depressed when their fairyland world is no longer revealed to be all sunshine and rainbows.
Every considered other people are realists and you, dare I say, are a pessimist?
After all, a realist might say: "considering the bad news, UNC are going to do it tough to land another player for 2017"
Instead, you wrote: "we aren't getting Knox or any other recruit after the new noa"
I dunno, I'd say that's a healthy serving of pessimism. Hey, you might be right, but for now I'm calling it pessimism.
So basically, you just want him to candy coat it? Because both those statements are nearly synonymous. One just doesn't beat around the bush like some here prefer.
In my defense, I said we are not getting another recruit this class. (Knox is the only one we are going after to my knowledge)
And, I said we are more likely to have decommits than to get a top 5* recruit right now. I do not know exactly how far off a decommit from a lot of future recruit classes versus snagging a top 10 5* is without the noa to even say so compared to with it looming overhead again.
So, that is not exactly what I said.
Optimism vs Realism vs Pessimism
Everyone wants to think they're a 'realist'.but truth be told we're all some of the way to the left or right of centre.
Me personally, I like to wait until everything is over rather than making sweeping negative or positive statements.
(I also like a nip of optimism before bed - gives me a reason to get up in the morning)
Yep, apologies for the misquote.
Still worth having 1% of hope for a Knox miracle.
And, I'd still like to see Roy go after a grad transfer bruiser next April/May.
Well, you're 1 for 4 there big guy thanks to the academic scandal from the last 20+ years. Better invest yourself more in winning.
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