I have seen on Radar that we may add a juco or Grad transfer or some big from Europe. Do any of you guys know who specifically that the Heels are looking at?
Juco's and big men from Europe for Next season
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PLEASE PLEASE give me a TOUGH 6'9'" 235 lbs banger. I do not care if he is from Mars. WE NEED some interior depth , power and rebounding for next season.
While I would love another big, I believe we have enough now to handle next year fine. With a few tweaks in our style (more small ball for example) we can play fast and athletic and challenge more traditional teams by making them match up with us. I expect both Hicks and Meeks to improve tremendously next year as well. Meeks will be in better shape and uninjured; Hicks will know he has the coach's confidence and hopefully will foul less. Bradley is the unknown (he already played against Giles and Tatum), but I love his potential to contribute early. TP and LM can also add to interior depth at times too!
I'm excited to see us build on this year and I believe we can get to the EE next year!
I'm excited to see us build on this year and I believe we can get to the EE next year!
Sorry but I couldn't help but laugh, "PLEASE PLEASE give me a TOUGH 6'9'" 235 lbs banger", could you imagine being in London and saying that? They would have to bring your mash out in a wheel barrow! LOL
Basically Justin Knox 2.0. I'm sure there's a grad transfer out there who fits the bill.
I like Tilman but he is the next class not the incoming class, isn't he?
FYI, things are breaking as I type this but if they break the way I strongly suspect the will, Tillman is a name UNC fans need to get to know really really well...There is another name as well, kid I think is the best talent in that class by a looooooooooooot (and no, I am not talking about KNox) !
Note, if the NBA does open the door back for kids right out of high school then neither of those 2 will play college ball.
FYI, things are breaking as I type this but if they break the way I strongly suspect the will, Tillman is a name UNC fans need to get to know really really well...There is another name as well, kid I think is the best talent in that class by a looooooooooooot (and no, I am not talking about KNox) !
Note, if the NBA does open the door back for kids right out of high school then neither of those 2 will play college ball.
neither of which 2? Tillmon and Knox? or Knox and unnamed player(Bamba)? Is there a possibility that the NBA opens the door for "right out of HS players" that soon? I don't keep up with the NBA very closely.
Yeah, I was referring to Bamba and Tillman, I think we have a great shot at either and maybe BOTH. To me Bamba is the far and away best talent in that class, just an amazing talent IMHO.
Is this actually on the radar? Like, at all? The NBA seemed to have been very against it in the past.
Chance it happens in 2-3 years, perhaps?
I think it has been more the NBAPA that has been behind the one in college rule to keep the vets that are at the end of teams benchs in the league a little longer. But IMO to them it is more a bargining chip than anything else. For the owners, they want the best stars in their league as soon as they can get them, they funded the NBADL for development. I don't really think either side is really turned on about the prospect of having a talent blow up in college and have to wait 2 or 3yrs before they can draft him. Even if they do a modified baseball rule and say 2yrs they will have a path direct from high school to the NBA.
Yes, this has been on the table and I think most expect there to be some change from the one & done with the question being to roll back the clock and just do away with it (my preference) or modify it to a 2 or 3yr rule with a allowable straight out of high school rule. If they make a 2 or 3yr baseball like rule it would or at least could force more kids that are borderline to enter the draft and by pass college, kids that really need the college development that would occupy roster spots well before they could really help a team or even worse not be drafted and yet lose the college option.
The timing of things really makes a difference as well, it would take a early combine for the NBA to be honest with kids so the kid can make a good decision to enter out of high school or go to college, no matter what happens. College coaches need to know who they can recruit and who is a waste of time for them to recruit. You could well find steals late of kids that initially were strongly looking at the NBA but discover they do not like where they are being projected but you could as well see high school taking money as soon as they are done in high school and be locked out of the NCAA and you may not know that until it is to late and you have wasted recruiting time effort and expense on them and maybe ignored another kid.
Personally, I would roll the clock back and eliminate the rule and put it on the kid to make the decision about taking money and his future and put it on coaches to figure out who they should and should not recruit.
I would love to see a rule that would allow players to go straight to the NBA out of HS or sign with a college team and have to stay a minimum of 2-3 years. I think this would weed out a lot of the guys who have no business/interest in college anyway. The only drawback would be a coach recruiting a player for a year plus and then he blows up in an all star game and goes into the draft. The upside is coaches would be forced to recruit more selectively and not go after all what would have been one and dones under previous rules (a la dook and UK).
Not in these kid's mind it isn't. They all think they are the second coming of ___________ fill in the blank. But I agree with you 100%.If the kid is named Dawkins, Darrell or Malone, Moses the chances of "making it" straight out of HS are long...
I agree but the even larger problem is the thing most think in terms of now is GETTING to the league, it isn't as much about staying in the league as it is getting there ASAP. They figure once in the league not only will the rookie salary cap clock begin to tick down to that major pay day but they will have the time to figure out how to play at that level because they have always played for winners. They do not play for losing high school teams, they don't play for losing AAU or EYBL teams, they have always risen to the top and do not know losing.
They don't think in terms of maybe I will not get that great next contract after the rookie cap deal is done they assume just getting to the league will allow that big money to flow. And when you see what deep bench guys are still being paid you realize maybe they have a point.
That's "iffy" at best. He may have done a "post graduate" year at a prep school, but it's still a prep school that comprised of primarily high school students.
Yes, but that's really a special case, is it not?
Of course, it could be the "first of many", but I'd assume before recruits could do that in mass, there would have to be some sort of actual rule change.
And DSouthr, I agree about the 0 or 2 rule. It only needs to be 2 though, unlike in football, as development in the two sports are very different. And potentially making a rule about having to "declare" would help too IMO. Perhaps sometime around fall of their senior season. That way, if they don't plan on going to college, coaches wont waste time and pass over players they could actually get.
Thon Maker is a special case because he's not a US High School student - he's international (Sudanese born, Australian nationality) So that's the argument his camp has used.
USA Today ran an article yesterday about DeAndre Ayton, saying only Kansas is pursuing him now because he may also try the Maker move for next years draft (he's from the Bahamas)
I have a much better IMO solution for all of this rose but it would require something that seems unlikely, it would require the nba AND ncaa to work together as partners that really care about the best interest of its players. I have offerred this before and discussed the education part on a thread this week concerning the NCAA develop a degree level program geared specifically for athletes. I believe very strong in that for all sports under the NCAA banner and can not believe we see no national discussion of such an important matter. If anyone really cares about educating these kids then this is IMO a natural step to take.
But as it applies to basketball, the dedicated curriculum is only the first step. You first have to understand why basketball players are not staying in college longer, there are 3 reasons.
1) They really are not interested in the education they are forced to study in those 2 semesters of forced college. I do think developing a degree course of study that applies to these kids interest is key for them to engage and look forward to class, as opposed to avoid it.
2) The one & done rule forces them to either go to college when they have little interest in doing so,l go play in a foreign country where they do not know anyone and play with grown men that treat them like children, or play in the NBADL for a year in front of crickets.
3) The rookie salary cap clock only begins once you are drafted and you have to get past that rookie contract before you can hot for the big money.
In order to solve the last 2 issues it will take the NBA and the NCAA working together for the best interest of these young guys. I have laid this out in detail in the past and can again if needed but in a nut shell it involves players being drafted at any time and the rookie salary cap clock begins to tick but they be allowed to play college ball and yet all their contract money be placed in an annuity with the cost of the college scholarhip being paid by the drafting NBA team. The kid could receive a stipend and could receive a hardship allocation in the event of emergency for themselves or a very close family member. If at any time he elected to enter the NBA, his rights are owned by the team that drafted him and his annunity is converted to cash.
Same thing with apparel deals, can sign the deal at any time but have the money annuitized until they leave the college game. That way these kids have a huge payday when they are done with the college game and should be ready to sign another contract for big money directly after leaving the college game. I tried to nut shell this as much as I could, it is a bit more complicated but easy worked out if the 2 main partners could work with each other for the benefit of the kids involved and the fans as well. I think if the NBA considered this it would bring back to them the fans they have lost to the college game and it woulod allow college fans to enjoy their better talents much longer..
Baseball and football are different than basketball. First, MLB has a wonderful and long established minor league system, football and basketball have always relied on the NCAA as its minor leagues, baseball really never has. Football the issue is the NFL is full grown men that will take your head off, the physical nature of the NFL game requires most of its draftees to spend multiple years in a college weight training program, very rare you see a kid straight out of high school that is able to compete in the NFL. But in basketball not only can they compete right out of high school but legends of the game like Kobe, Garnett, Lebron never played college ball.
You can not solve the basketball problem with baseball or football solutions, you have to solve it with basketball solutions.
The NBADL was put in place to try to be what the minors are in baseball but really, it is a classic failure. And really, why would you want to spend millions of not near billions on something that you have always got for free and can continue to get for free? It is IMO a clear indication of the NBA considering college basketball more of a competitor that must be defeated than a true partner, that should not be. I think primary reason for that is the 2 season play at the same time, maybe they should consider moving season start dates around?
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