Just a few tidbits...
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Well, anyway you look at it is that Duke is going to get 2-3 one-n-dones per year until K hangs it up.
Roy needs to break through and start getting at least 1 one-n-done per year. It's not very complicated.
Roy needs to break through and start getting at least 1 one-n-done per year. It's not very complicated.
https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiti...definitely-going-to-school-together/180951488
time to move on after this was confirmed!!..Hey Gary and Dsouth..when did this happen!!..this eliminates us and confirms the dook situation right?
time to move on after this was confirmed!!..Hey Gary and Dsouth..when did this happen!!..this eliminates us and confirms the dook situation right?
I've been trying to tell you guys not to get your hopes up on Carter.
We aren't getting Carter. If he's hitching his star with Gary Trent, then there's no way we get him.
But no one should be disheartened, we still have a good shot with Bamba, Mitchell Robinson, Tilmon, Washington, and some others Roy is looking at. Back in winter, I wasn't convinced we'd get anyone besides Jalek and maybe one other person. But there's still potential for a great class.
But no one should be disheartened, we still have a good shot with Bamba, Mitchell Robinson, Tilmon, Washington, and some others Roy is looking at. Back in winter, I wasn't convinced we'd get anyone besides Jalek and maybe one other person. But there's still potential for a great class.
Again, I'm not making any predictions one way or the other but there are a couple of contradictions in that story --- probably from the framing of the question (which would be nothing unusual) --- but still...
Unless he said we are eliminated I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions just yet.
That hasn't really worked out well in the past for Roy.
This almost looks like the Jahlil Jones (Okafor) situation all over again. The big guy basically riding shotgun to whatever school the guard wants to go to. In this case, it may be even less of a mystery, as Carter has been getting linked to Dook for quite sometime now.
Really hope Roy doesn't invest too much time with the writing pretty much on the wall. JMO
In other recruiting news, Trevon Duval lists us as one of the 5 that's recruiting him the hardest.
https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/trevon-duval-says-five-schools-working-hardest/180997700
https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/trevon-duval-says-five-schools-working-hardest/180997700
If he's going with Trent then I doubt he's coming for a visit. Just a hunch. But I can see others visiting, including Bamba, who we know likes Roy a lot.
That's wierd, don't fall into that trap. Fishy situation, calling it Ferguson without an offer here.
Wierd nova isn't listed. This just seems Ferguson all over; tbh is UNC even going after Duval currently. I'll pass big time unless certain circumstances change. It's easy to say oh he is a elite The Top PG in 2017 why not go after him . There is something that Nick Weatherspoon got an offer over a Trevor Duval, just seems like another odd recruit that mentions UNC; seems like Alkins, Ferguson all over again but this time the recruit doesn't even have an offer as far as I know.
May 29 at 5:32pm is the time & date of the article. If you recall my discussion about carter, occurred a day or 2 after we received the NOA, I told you that it was not a done deal of carter to duke and I told ya we were still in it. I as well said clearly that duke still led at that time, did not say we led.Recruiting is a slippery slope full of twists & turns, what is true to day changes for tomorrow, many times changes depending on who is asking the questions. Duke does not just want carter, they are almost desperate to get him because they know we have a great situation to bring in multiple really talented big men from this class and the scandel BS they have been talking up to recruits does not have the legs it used to. If I were a dukie I would enjoy reading that, as a Tar Heel I don't love it but as a Tar Heel I already knew k will get some strong talent.
Bamba is talking up harvard and Ky, Trent is talking up duke, who does Carter listen to in the end? Do YOU know, think a dukie knows, think even Carter knows? So when did what happen, when did Carter commit to duke, I don't know, I didn't know he had, my point remains, this is still an ongoing situation until carter announces and unless I totally missed it, he has not done this yet. Yeah, duke is in a great position but they have always been in a great position for the kid, mark us as being out when the kid decides to not visit us.
What did ya tell us, I am curious what ya told us? Did ya tell us you knew carter was duke bound and we didn't have a chance ? If you are taking a "I told ya so" moment OK, if you knew more than Roy, who is still recruiting the kid hard then kudos to you. Are you his coach, maybe a family member that he talks to, know his girl friend to the extent you share pillow talk, well then OK.
But could you have maybe been saying what you did based on opinions by some that hate UNC? I mean look, anyone can easilly say carter is a dine deal to the team that leads for him at the moment, I mean you have a 50/50 chance at being right after all with any guess between 2 things. Now if you would point to the post where I said the kid would not commit to duke, I would appreciate it (hint, it does not exist). Maybe you could point to where I said duke did not lead for the kid (hint, that does not exist either)?
So scratchin my head on what "you told us so" on? And by the way, could ya also point to a link where carter committed to duke? I mean maybe I missed that but if you are taking a "I told ya so moment" then clearly he has already committed to duke or at very l;east someone other school other than UNC? I don't mind someone taking an "I told ya so moment" when they were right, would prefer they not be guessing but hey what ever, but a premature "I told ya so moment" when the deal is not done? Well that just strikes me as strange?
I believe what he was referring to was kentucky being above dook in producing NBA players. If you just pay attention to what Wendell actually says, as opposed to the interviewers' narratives, the message is sometimes a bit different.
Speaking of kentucky, when he was recently asked about academics he said UK "isn't the worst". Nice.
QUOTE="gary-7, post: 582231, member: 790"]I believe what he was referring to was kentucky being above dook in producing NBA players. If you just pay attention to what Wendell actually says, as opposed to the interviewers' narratives, the message is sometimes a bit different.
Speaking of kentucky, when he was recently asked about academics he said UK "isn't the worst". Nice.[/QUOTE]
A school that can turn John Wall and Eric Bledsoe into honor students must be awesome
Speaking of kentucky, when he was recently asked about academics he said UK "isn't the worst". Nice.[/QUOTE]
A school that can turn John Wall and Eric Bledsoe into honor students must be awesome
You guys can hold out hope for Carter. I personally don't think there's much a chance. Roy should focus on the other top big men.
All due respect Gary, the two situations aren't really comparable. The reality of the game has changed.
I just got through saying that all circumstances are different, did I not?
That being said, there is a similarity in that the recruiting "pundits" had Barnes going to dook (something I never bought BTW, because I heard some things thru the grapevine that indicated otherwise. I didn't know for sure HB was coming here but I was not the least bit surprised when he committed)
The only way the game has changed is the effect of the NCAA junk.
I'm gonna try and be as diplomatic as possible here, and this is not directed at you 34, but I've read some dumb stuff here. For example when someone posts that Carter "was never going to come to UNC"... that is a factually false statement. The fact is Roy built an early relationship with the Carters and it was known down here that we were the odds-on favorite. That only changed when the NCAA junk reared its head and the negative recruiting ensued. Trust me, that hurt --- and when Giles committed to dook that just made it worse. So now the fact is we have ground to make up.
I'm gonna close this by echoing what @DSouthr was trying to tell folks above. Neither Dave nor I are predicting anything. What I did when I started this thread was to simply pass on information... and for the life of me I can't understand why people on a message board want to argue with information.(??) That information came from a source a lot closer to WC than (with all due respect) any of these recruiting reporters, and it's something I'm sure Roy is aware of and thus why he continues to recruit him. I would lose a lotta faith in Roy if he didn't. Whether he can overcome all that has worked against us remains to be seen.
Look I'm not doubting Roy. And I appreciate whatever info you're able to give. Simply, as of now, my hunch is that Carter is dook's to lose. I'm not happy with it nor do I want that to happen. I'm just basing my hunches what's been going on the past few years, and for a variety of reasons, we just don't resonate with these OAD kids. Until we land a player of that caliber, I have to assume we are behind Kentucky and dook in our recruitment of them.
let me ask you guys, if the kid is a done deal to duke, why is Roy recruiting him still, especially considering where the kid is and how many sources for great information Roy and UNC has in that area? You think Roy has less information than anyone here, do ya think Clint knows more about what this kid thinks than Roy? Clearly Roy feels he has a shot else he would not be wasting his efforts and time recruiting the kid?
The situation with Barnes and Brandan Wright fit perfectly here, everyone had those 2 fellas duke bound, neither were. There was no more new reality in those recruitments than there are now. Then it was about kids looking to play college ball and have their college play springboard them to the NBA and that is the same reality we have today.
But one thing has changed and it is a dramatic change actually, the UNC fan base belief that great things will happen, that has changed, changed big time in a VERY negative way. So many now days are ready to drop and run at the first sign of cloudy weather and those of us not willing to do that get labeled stuck in the past, get labeled as being UNC homers by our own UNC fans?
I for one appreciate what guys like gary share with us, no he is not saying the kid is going to commit to us, but he hears a kid in his back yard has not kicked us to the curb as some many seem so willing to believe because that is the company line from the so called guru's out there. But had Clint said the same thing it would not be questioned? One thing I do know about gary, he is 100% Tar Heel fan and I will never have to question that while a lot of these so called "experts" strike me as pushing programs like duke and Ky as much as they report. And if you don't realize that all the experts talking up a kid to a program like duke or Ky does not in the end really give those programs a huge assist in tipping that kid one way or the other then I don't know what to tell you that you will understand. I am not saying the "gurus" never have good intell but I am concerned that there is so much pro duke/ky spin out there ginned up by these same "experts". I see way to many "experts" out there with duke ties now days and fewer out there talking UNC in a positive way.
And yet STILL Roy is recruiting Wendel Carter and I ask, why is he dong that if he does not believe he has a chance? You read an article that says this kid is likely to commit to the same school as Trent who the heck ever and all the sudden Roy is wasting his time and gary hasn't got a clue? Excuse me while I agree with Roy and gary on this as well as what I have heard...
IDK where this 18yr old kid will end up playing college ball, I STRONGLY doubt the kid himself knows, if he did he would go ahead and commit most likely. But to say you know he will not come to a program that is still recruiting him very hard is the same as saying you know where he will commit, it is bull.
It is statements like this that remind of how Dean used to see discussing recruiting, he hated it. He did because he believed fans place way to much worry over recruiting. He was concerned with developing teams and bringing in players that fit what he coached. The primary reason Dean stepped down when he did is that he hated the way recruiting was changing and specifically the spotlight these kids find themselves in before they have proven one darn thing on the college level.
I strongly believe we will get 2 and hopefully 3 solid front court talents from this class, I do not know who they will be but our stage is set and we will get guys Roy believes he can coach, develop, and form in to team members that play this game together. Roy is not going to bring in a Micky D team and have them play every game as if it were a Micky D team of freshmen, you want to see that join that Ky or duke fan base. The one & done players Roy will get will fit that mold and they will be featured in his sets if they earn that right. They wil not be featured just to wow the next years recruits, they wil not be featured because some recruiting experts say they should be, they will not be featured because the kids street agent insists on it or a family member insists on it, they wil be featured when they earn that go to right. That is how I want my coach to do his job so excuse me when I allow Roy to decide who he can and can not get.
Regardless of whether Duke or UK is #1 on his list and the other #2, it isn't UNC that's 1 or 2 - so I don't see the point in obsessing over a recruit that will pick either UK or Duke in the coming months.
My sentiments exactly. Barnes was the last top recruit that we "won" in a battle against Duke or Kentucky - and that was 6 years ago (and just before the real OAD era started). I'm going to just assume that top 5 talent will be going to Duke or UK until I hear differently. I'm sick of getting my hopes up for people that will eventually commit to Duke or UK. Wake me up when we land a top 5 commit and I'll change my tune.
Well I don't have inside information and don't claim to. And I appreciate the info you drop on the board. For free, might I add!
I don't think anyone claimed you were predicting Carter to UNC, or even disputing what you've heard. But the "Harrison Barnes" comparison is tired. And extremely overused on this board. It's always brought up so casually when someone is suggested to be highly considered a lock to another school, yet we haven't pulled a Harrison Barnes type commitment since Harrison Barnes. And we're completely ignoring the comments he made about Trent Jr. Some of you said Okafor/Jones's *ahem* marriage would never work out, and they proved that they were committed to their pairing. Are we going to offer Trent Jr. just to get Carter?
It's not impossible something falls through, but if it looks, sounds, and behaves like a duck, I am not going to call it a Lion.
As far as us not recruiting Carter, I believe Roy will do what he feels right. As he should. But we all know very well how it's gone in the past by prioritizing one recruit and having them commit elsewhere. And it gets even worse nowadays because it's basically all or nothing with kids, now that so many top ranked recruits wait so late to commit. I have no reason to believe Roy would change his tactics in this class, but this class isn't like the ones we've had in the past. In fact, I think it's quite unique. We have nothing that should scare off top ranked recruits, but we're still not the prime destination. Two things that haven't co-mingled for us in the history of UNC Basketball (IMO).
We're in prime position to return to the top of the mountain. Part of that requires a good supporting class to replace, at the very minimum, 5 experienced players graduating/declaring for the draft. We've missed on recruits by focusing primarily on guys who ended up going elsewhere in the end. I don't pretend to know what the outcome will be with Carter, but I do know what this looks like from the past.
EDIT: As far the recruiting "gurus" that had Barnes going to Dook, the same could have been said about Ingram and Giles for a time, but in reverse.
There's actually a lot of the same Ingram/Giles issues at play here. Both were considered UNC leans until the "junK" surfaced as an issue. WC was in fact a heavy UNC lean, and the negative recruiting started having an impact on him during that period.. compounded of course by the media narrative. And remember, once that started the "gurus" shifted to dook for Giles and now Carter.
It was good to hear Wendell still has Carolina high on his list and I wanted to pass that on. He and his dad have always liked Roy --- Wendell texted Roy to see if he was ok after he fell out up at BC ---- and now that men's basketball is cleared I'm sure Roy will give it more than the college try. I can tell ya though, if we don't get him this will be another casualty of the junk --- hopefully it will be the last. But if we do... well, that would be a major nut-kick to the Rat twins, K and Capel.,,
^This right here.
If I had a dime for every fan who told me we would land Okafor, Giles, Ingram, Parker and whoever else, I'd be a rich man.
I'll believe it when I see the signature on the LOI. As of right now, we play second fiddle to Duke and UK in the recruiting battle, which pisses the f**k off but it's just the sad state of affairs we live in at the moment. Call me crazy, but I'm not getting my hopes up anymore.
That's the point I was trying to make. They were UNC leans until the NCAA said "hello". It could very well go either way at this point for Carter. I think it's clear that there won't be any vacated titles or postseason bans, and Roy has been beating that drum for a while, and now it has merit.
The new, and potentially bigger problem I worry about is that he's content on playing with Trent Jr. That's all but a deal breaker for us. Trent Jr. has the Apple Valley connection, and that's pretty much Dook's territory after they pulled Tyus Jones. And I don't think Roy is the type of coach to offer a guy just to get the other. JMO.
It sounds like Carter's a good guy. But that doesn't mean it'll stop him from playing in the wrong shade of blue in the end.
Just hope we don't forget about guys like Bamba, who also likes Roy too.
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