Just curious ….

[calvin1234]

I have been reading about our NIL woes on this board. What is the solution? How many on this board has contributed?

When my kids were in high school I tried to get them interested in in my alma mater. I sponsored a few scholarships through the rams club for four season tickets. It was not cheap. But I was glad to do it. After a few years and a lot of money spent on flights and hotels they left for colleges. One went to a school in Boston. The other went to a PAC 12 school. So now I still follow but limit my financial support. I gave up my rights to the tickets to my brother.

The point is I was glad to give when there was a good reason. My brother spends money supporting UNC because he now has good reasons. He took his family of four for the Maui classic. He wants his kids at UNC.

Where does Kentucky get its NIL money? Duke? Kansas? How does UNC generate its NIL funds? Is it a lack of interest?

 

[39 Feet Above Sea Level]

Interesting questions, for sure. Thanks for supporting our alma mater, Calvin.
I have donated to academic scholarships for Carolina students through the years.
As much as l love and appreciate the efforts of our student-athletes, l personally cannot support the NIL system
that has evolved over the last few years.
I believe the job of our university is actually to educate students, especially those
from families who struggle to afford the expense of college. I love sports, and
played a sport at Carolina, but am ambivalent about a pay-to-play NIL system
for what is essentially high quality entertainment for the general public. Just my $.02.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

I contribute to scholarships and buy season tix but I balk at directly supporting the pay-for-play model. For example, some friends and I purchased some of those memorabilia boxes but I refuse to pay for signatures. I would rather see UNC stick to principle and seek out lower tier talent to develop than become mercenary U! UNC has been playing on an unlevel playing field for decades and managing to be competitive. I expect it will continue until the system cycles back to what it is supposed to be! I can be patient until either UNC finds a way to compete (it already has) and/or the system reverts back closer to what it should be!

 

[vbrs]

Good question. I don't really understand this issue myself. What type of donors support this? Is it corporations or large donors or simply multiple small contributors. I personally agree with the above posts and would not contribute to this. I think a scholarship and free room and board is a good deal.

 

[NathanFielder]

I contribute to scholarships and buy season tix but I balk at directly supporting the pay-for-play model. For example, some friends and I purchased some of those memorabilia boxes but I refuse to pay for signatures. I would rather see UNC stick to principle and seek out lower tier talent to develop than become mercenary U! UNC has been playing on an unlevel playing field for decades and managing to be competitive. I expect it will continue until the system cycles back to what it is supposed to be! I can be patient until either UNC finds a way to compete (it already has) and/or the system reverts back closer to what it should be!

You think the toothpaste is going back into the tube?

 

[NathanFielder]

Good question. I don't really understand this issue myself. What type of donors support this? Is it corporations or large donors or simply multiple small contributors. I personally agree with the above posts and would not contribute to this. I think a scholarship and free room and board is a good deal.

I blame the players very little in this. The reality is most college basketball players have their 4 or 5 college years to maximize on their basketball playing careers. Some of the more talented ones will have 10 years. Some of the really lucky ones will have 15-20 years including college and pro to squeeze as much out of their basketball talent as they can. So I don't blame the kids for wanting more than a scholarship and free room/board.

This is the consequence of being late to adapt and having 0 organizational competency at the highest level of the NCAA. Anyone could see pay for play coming probably 15+ years ago and that system of just a scholarship being enough was doomed. Players were starting lawsuits and the discussions were getting louder and louder. Then you open the floodgates without any plan really and you get what you deserve.

I will always blame the grownups over the kids. Especially if the kids aren't really doing anything wrong.

 

[dtodd4475]

You think the toothpaste is going back into the tube?

Personally, I do think we are not far from a salary cap and floor. With collective bargaining etc. The huge football money schools will still have a slight advantage with the cap being a smaller % of their overall revenue, but it won't be as glaring as the guarenteed offers or lack there of, that is the here and now.

 

[dtodd4475]

I contribute to scholarships and buy season tix but I balk at directly supporting the pay-for-play model. For example, some friends and I purchased some of those memorabilia boxes but I refuse to pay for signatures. I would rather see UNC stick to principle and seek out lower tier talent to develop than become mercenary U! UNC has been playing on an unlevel playing field for decades and managing to be competitive. I expect it will continue until the system cycles back to what it is supposed to be! I can be patient until either UNC finds a way to compete (it already has) and/or the system reverts back closer to what it should be!

But UNC is paying, just at a lower number? It isn't like we aren't playing the same game, just not playing it as well.

 

[calvin1234]

I miss the old days of eight teams on the Atlantic Coast. Everyone played each other twice and the tournament was always a reason to miss work/school. The conferences actually made sense. PAC was actually on the pacific coast. Southwest conference was actually southwest US. Big ten had ten schools. SEC AND BIG eight had their ties.

But times change. So do we adapt or do we get left behind? It seems that there are two paths. One - go all in and raise money and win the bidding wars. Two - go after four stars and build the team with experienced upper classmen.

I look at the top teams and the method one seems to be prevailing. It seems duke reloads every year. This year end should be interesting to see how far we can go.

Let’s win tonight.

 

[ChrisMPA]

Billionaires sir. You need billionaires. A billionaire spending one million dollars on a five star recruit has the same impact on his wallet as a millionaire contributing one thousand dollars to him. Like it or not we are where we are.

 

[dtodd4475]

Billionaires sir. You need billionaires. A billionaire spending one million dollars on a five star recruit has the same impact on his wallet as a millionaire contributing one thousand dollars to him. Like it or not we are where we are.

A millionaire to a billionaire is more like the millionaire spending 10 bucks. You are closer to being a millionaire with 1 penny to your name, than a 1 millionaire is to being a billionaire. There are level to this.

 

[UNCHUSKER]

A school sponsored by Jordan brand - a multi billion dollar a year company that is run by a billionaire alum - isn’t competitive in NIL. 🤷‍♂️

 

[tarwhiz]

A school sponsored by Jordan brand - a multi billion dollar a year company that is run by a billionaire alum - isn’t competitive in NIL. 🤷‍♂️

Jordan made 256 million from Nike last year and has a Networth of 1.7 billion dollars now.
One has to wonder why he is not more of a factor at the school he loves.

 

[gauchoheel]

A school sponsored by Jordan brand - a multi billion dollar a year company that is run by a billionaire alum - isn’t competitive in NIL. 🤷‍♂️

Jordan Brand isn't a company; it's a part of Nike. And Nike isn't run by a UNC alum.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

But UNC is paying, just at a lower number? It isn't like we aren't playing the same game, just not playing it as well.

We aren't playing the same game if we opt out of bidding wars. Going to recruits to vet them and see where their interests are means you can find those for whom the highest bidder isn't their #1 or in some cases only factor. Trying to simply pay them the most is becoming Mercenary U; sharing revenue up to an established amount and then backing out when the person is not a good fit or simply wants to hold you hostage for a bigger piece of the pie is sticking to your principles! I disagree that we aren't playing the game well; I choose to believe we are playing our own game. BTW: I appreciate the cogent and respectful way you have chosen when trying to refute my points!

If the NCAA had any cajones, none of this nonsense would have happened!

SDung, on the other hand, should use that ridiculous "toothpaste" reference and wash out his potty mouth! I didn't miss you calling other UNC fans moronic simply because they dared to disagree with your brilliance! For the reading challenged, I never said we would go back to the "old days" even though I wish we could-I said quite clearly that I expect the industry to self-correct to a more reasonable and equitable model!