You used his initial pace as evidence that "40% is more than attainable for him". Saying something is "more than attainable" implies a decent probability of that thing being attained, which is a prediction.
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You used his initial pace as evidence that "40% is more than attainable for him". Saying something is "more than attainable" implies a decent probability of that thing being attained, which is a prediction.
TBH, 3 point % isn't even my main worry for him. Kenny's problem is that so far he hasn't shown any ability to create his own shot. He's basically a non-factor on offense, and we can't have that next year.
Anyone remember the UK game from last year? 80+ possessions, Kenny played 34 minutes, and the only shots he put up were a layup and a desperation 3 as time expired.
We need a lot more from our starting SG.
Anyone remember the UK game from last year? 80+ possessions, Kenny played 34 minutes, and the only shots he put up were a layup and a desperation 3 as time expired.
We need a lot more from our starting SG.
No one yet has answered the question that W.J.D and I posted about the viability of getting Kenny a red shirt. There is no question in my mind about his potential if healthy and if he has had the time to work himself back into the form he first showed when he came to the hill. I want what's best for him and for the team. I don't know the answer that's why I asked the more knowledgeable on the board about the possibility of a red shirt for this year.
No, it is no such thing. If you think "attainable" and "prediction" are the same things --- or even synonyms? You need to go back to elementary school English class. SMDH.
You have made it abundantly clear you are just determined to argue. STOP.
Voluntary pre-season red shirts are always available if one hasn't used one already (you may remember Pat Sullivan taking one). Medical red shirts during the season depend on how many games one has participated in, and even if you exceed that sometimes the NCAA will grant as additional year if there are mitigating circumstances (like they should have granted Bobby Frasor but didn't
).All that being said if KW feels physically ready, he'll play. But if he has another setback?... the red shirt possibility arises.
Voluntary pre-season red shirts are always available if one hasn't used one already (you may remember Pat Sullivan taking one). Medical red shirts during the season depend on how many games one has participated in, and even if you exceed that sometimes the NCAA will grant as additional year if there are mitigating circumstances (like they should have granted Bobby Frasor but didn't
All that being said if KW feels physically ready, he'll play. But if he has another setback?... the red shirt possibility arises.
Thanks Gary for your clarification. Now-do you think it would be advisable for Kenny to redshirt or do you think he can catch up with the rest of the team and be a bonus for us this year. Perhaps you or a confidant has some inside info on how his off season progress is going.
Fair point. I think KW can create his shot but hasn't shown the wherewithal to do so thus far. I heard that Roy has talked to him about being more aggressive on the offensive end. Let's see if it takes.
Bill, all I've heard is what I reported previously ITT, i.e., that he is doing non-contact drills (including defensive slides --- which bodes well after a knee injury), shooting, jumpng and even playing some 2-on-2 / 3-on-3 type stuff where he's under orders not to bang aound just yet. He has been a fixture working on the side at pickup games.
The one recent comment I saw somewhere from him sounded very optimistic. My hope is that the doctors have finally fixed what almost sounds like a congenital issue with his menisci, much like Theo with his feet issues.
Yeah, saw the interview with him talking about doing 2 on 2s and 3s as well as doing the conditioning so far with no ill effects. They just will not let him play just yet out of fear of his knee getting bumped.
On Kenny's knee, I have not heard or really feel the issue with his knee is congenital, it is just one of those things that happen with knees, it was more a clean up type of thing. The time line would not allow it to be much more considering when he had this last procedure, anything really bad would have had him out till at least mid season if not longer.
He/she has a few backers pretending to be Carolina fans, so he/she trolls away.
I'm not sure if this is correct, but I think I heard he's had the procedure on both knees now. If so, maybe his issues are behind him. He's had to miss parts of 2 seasons now so it would sure be nice to see the young fella have a healthy remainder of his UNC career. Again, I'm not sure that is correct about it being both knees.
Dave, what are you talking about? You claimed people said his scholly was a waste and I asked who in their right mind thought that. Who is sniping you from NY?
You have gotten to the point where the majority of what you offer here is either insults to other posters or offer your opinion as fact to counter anyone else's thoughts when it is in fact nothing more than your opinion. I have tried many times in the past to discuss with you but have grown tired of the constant sniping that comes from you so I decided a while back to ignore you and just not exchange with you. Consider this my last response to you until you can be respectful to the others here ...
You made a claim, one that reflects negatively on Tar Heel fans, that is completely unsubstantiated. You can't just say that people never wanted Kenny to have a scholly and expect zero backlash from it. It's false, as others have also chimed in here to say.
So when you start speaking in fact then maybe you will be met with less objection.
People were very much adamant we get kenny williams here during that summer. We wiffed on so many recruits.
J, Kenny was one of those late in the game commits, was committed to VCU. BUT the tone concerning him prior to that frosh season changed in that frosh season. I spent a good deal of the off season after his freshman yr discussing who would be our starting 2 guard, my preference was Kenny while most everyone else wanted Theo to be our starting 2. I was told over and over again that he was 1-13 from the trey arch, that he clearly was not the hyped shooter he was touted to be. I was absolutely in the minority opinion when I argued he was better than folks realized.
It to me is a very similar situation to 7th this off season, I believe folks are selling him short, notice how the tone has changed in regards to him as opposed to when he committed to us.
I have not soured on Kenny in any way but the situation has changed from going in to last season as opposed to going in to this coming season, the competition for minutes at the 2 is a lot hotter and Kenny clearly had aspects of his game he really needed to get steady in this off season and due to his injury he has not been able to work on those things like I believe he needed to.
I think Kenny is not a starter and Woods is if Berry wasn't here. Kenny has not personally impressed me nor do I have confidence in his ability to play major minutes. Seventh has impressed me.
I'm of the opposite opinion.
When Kenny's actually been healthy, I've loved him on the court. His defense is well above average and the Wake and ND games last season really started to show him mature into a nice role for us.
7th really struggled last season most of the time. We saw glimpses on a play or two, but I was holding my breath whenever he was running point last season.
Both have impressed me in both positive and negative ways, I am very glad we have both.
7th, kid showed some extreme WoW moments, I felt his ball handles really improved over the season, started out really shakey, lot of that was nerves but some of it was being a bit to casual with the ball. Of course I love his athleticism, and I do think he has good size both height as well as frame for the position. He did struggle moving from a guy looking for his own scoring to a guy more focused on controlling the offense as should have been expected considering he was both a UNC freshman as well as very new to the PG position. He can learn the position but some of the things that kid can do just can not be taught!
Kenny came in and started for us, very solid defender and works hard on the d end, does get caught over helping at times but considering how little he played as a frosh in his first season of meaningful minutes was impressive. I was disappointed that he slipped in to some bad jump shooting habits and seemed to really lose confidence as a shooter. I strongly suspect his knee was not 100% BEFORE he went out with it, suspect he was being a bit careful on his jump landing because he just was not going up with good balance a shooter needs, he was falling away as well as left and right on his landing, clear evidence of not being on balance going up. I think he can be a Wayne Ellington like jump shooter, that form is just to good but he has yet to show that, working on leg strength and balance will do wonders for that but the injury did not allow for much of that this off season. Kid can at times be TO MUCH of a team guy, needs to get greedy every now and then.
Kenny "blends in" very well, which can be good or bad depending on the lineup. He's a solid shooter, moves the ball well, and hustles like crazy. He's not a go-to guy, and he wouldn't make a bad offense good. But he's a great 5th option.
Seventh was generally a disaster on offense last year, to be blunt.
Seventh was generally a disaster on offense last year, to be blunt.
Man Kenny is not getting any Love, You have to have many different pieces of a Puzzle to make a Championship team.. Duke and UK nabbing these all 5 star recruit teams and we are beating them.. He was hurt, guys do not perform to their abilities Hurt, do we not remember the Job he did on Brogdon defensively ... We don't have Kenny we don't win the ACC Championship.
7th head was swimming Yy Lawson struggled, so did Raymond Felton, and he was a sophomore when he was indoctrinated into Roy's fast paced never slow down make sure you get the defense set for the team, and call the right offense while running down court at break neck speed. It's not easy to get Roy's system as a pg the only one I remember not struggling in yr one was Marshall and even he had 11 games to watch before being thrown to the wolves. Seventh and Kenny will be fine and better than alot of us think
Yep. And apparently some have forgotten just how dominant we were in Hawaii with KW healthy and starting at the 2.
Kenny was a fantastic fit with Berry/Jackson/Hicks/Meeks. That lineup fit his skill set perfectly.
The injury that took him out last season was to his right knee,latest procedure in July was as well to his right knee. Unless he had something prior to coming to UNC that I am not aware of it was only the right knee. Now it has been reported that it was a meniscus tear that took him out last season but looking at the length of time it took as well as the fact that they had to go back in July, I suspect it was more than just meniscus.
It could have been an issue similar to Theo in that it was a problem in the past that may not have been properly dealt with, if that was the case then I could see it being a severe meniscus issue that got worse over time.
Just because Kenny was our starter when we were so dominant in hawaii as an argument to him being a force for us this year is pretty weak. That's like giving Ron Harper a little too much credit for the Bulls success in the 90's which we all know was because of Jordan and Pippen with a few others being key cogs. Our success last year in Hawaii had more to do with Berry,Jackson, our interior depth and experience that early in the season than anything Kenny did. Look Kenny is a great kid and candidly, will help us in spots at certain points in his career but he won't be a cornerstone player for us and that's fine.
I'm not trying to poo on the hope that kenny will help us because hell I hope he comes out and plays like Justin Jackson 2.0 but I've watched enough basketball in my lifetime to see the limitations in his game and the body of work just doesn't support our hopes.
I'm not trying to poo on the hope that kenny will help us because hell I hope he comes out and plays like Justin Jackson 2.0 but I've watched enough basketball in my lifetime to see the limitations in his game and the body of work just doesn't support our hopes.
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But the argument is Harper fit a role on that team, similar to what Kenny did for us. Kenny was there for shooting and defense, things we needed as teams zoned us and to guard good wings we played against.
No one is saying Kenny is our Jordan or Pippen. No one is saying a "force". We are saying he fits a role very well in our starting 5.
KW was shaping up to be a real contributor last season. Effectiveness is measured by way more than stats. The efficiency of the team changed when he went down and we all saw the dip. It took a good bit before they found their new legs and then they started functioning well again, but differently. Who cares if KW shoots 40%; how many shooters do make that mark consistently? We need him to start at the level he was before the injury if possible and continue on the same arc he established. We need him to find a way to be confident in his knees, shot, and offense AND to keep up the stellar D. His mental health is probably a greater concern than his physical at this point I bet! If he can't do these things, others will step up and he will be given a shot again later. (either later this year or next)
Redshirting a healthy player just doesn't happen at UNC so it isn't a real option!
BTW: My liberal application of the ignore function is one of the things I am very proud of! Immaturity annoys me and I have no time for petty personal attacks! In other words....I'm an adult!
Redshirting a healthy player just doesn't happen at UNC so it isn't a real option!
BTW: My liberal application of the ignore function is one of the things I am very proud of! Immaturity annoys me and I have no time for petty personal attacks! In other words....I'm an adult!
True. Ball dominant players seldom fit at UNC, unless they are PGs. KW has never been ball dominant and he isn't a non-shooter so.... I will not try to determine what defines a "key" player, but we certainly needed his contributions at the start of the season.
I spent a great deal of time arguing with D about TP being my preferred starter at 2, but my opinion had nothing to do with my respect for KW's game! (I never once said anything bad about KW) I believed and still believe that TP is a special player who does things that often don't show in the box score, but always contribute to wins. Coaches love these types, but it is easy to miss how important they are! I think KW could be one of those guys with the added benefit that he might blossom as a shooter. KW earned his starting spot last season and, if healthy, he will get another chance. Roy knows what he has!
I spent a great deal of time arguing with D about TP being my preferred starter at 2, but my opinion had nothing to do with my respect for KW's game! (I never once said anything bad about KW) I believed and still believe that TP is a special player who does things that often don't show in the box score, but always contribute to wins. Coaches love these types, but it is easy to miss how important they are! I think KW could be one of those guys with the added benefit that he might blossom as a shooter. KW earned his starting spot last season and, if healthy, he will get another chance. Roy knows what he has!
The questions are whether or not Kenny is healthy and whether we can afford to start a SG who doesn't score much.
As for defense, a perimeter of JB, KW and Theo will be a nightmare for opposing teams.
Agreed, but we need consistent scoring from the 2 and 3 spots if we're to make a run. I think Theo can do that if he's playing 28-30 MPG, which I hope he is. I'm still unsure Kenny can do so.
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