Kevin Costner

[tarheel0910]

Nope. I think if Jeff Bridges were any more vanilla he would be downright folksy as a leading man.

Ok, I think I understand now. You've never actually seen his movies.

Expecting cinematic films to be a depiction of precise historical accuracy is pretty foolish.

Yeah, not sure why anyone would get upset about a movie not being 100% accurate. Some are more accurate than others, but there is a reason they say it's based on a true story, instead of it's a true story. If you want accuracy, watch a documentary. Those can still be inaccurate as well though.

 

[Heels Noir]

Expecting cinematic films to be a depiction of precise historical accuracy is pretty foolish.

There is more than one way for a film to fall flat, strum. I never said a historically depicted film has to provide complete realism. But when a director is going for complete realism and utterly fails to attain it, that's the making of a lemon. Only De Palma could have taken a screenplay written by none other than David Mamet and cast Sean Connery in a it and make the veteran actor into a silly caricature.

And what exactly do you mean by "cinematic films"? Isn't that redundant?

 

[Heels Noir]

Ok, I think I understand now. You've never actually seen his movies.

Of course I have, including his very first, Bogdanovich's The Last Picture Show. He was pretty good in a supporting role.

 

[strummingram]

There is more than one way for a film to fall flat, strum. I never said a historically depicted film has to provide complete realism. But when a director is going for complete realism and utterly fails to attain it, that's the making of a lemon. Only De Palma could have taken a screenplay written by none other than David Mamet and cast Sean Connery in a it and make the veteran actor into a silly caricature.

And what exactly do you mean by "cinematic films"? Isn't that redundant?

You're absolutely right.

 

[UNC71-00]

Well, I like Jennifer Aniston, too, but I have to say a number of the movies that she is in are garbage, and even if she had been filmed buck naked in them, it wouldn’t be enough to save them (though that might have helped).
I think Renee Russo is pretty hot in this movie and others too, but I’m just an old dude so what do I know?
Don Johnson does a good job playing the bad guy in this movie, but, once again IMO, he does not “steal” it in any way. If anybody “steals” it, I would say it is Cheech, but I would give Gary McCord credit for stealing a couple of scenes too. I think the scenes with Nantz and Venturi in the broadcast booth and Chirkinian in the control booth are pretty good too.
And, yeah, the storyline is way over the top, but the ending is much better than it would have been if this driving range pro had just come out of nowhere and won. I won’t quibble about how absurd it is that 3 woods hit over 200 yards would somehow roll backwards off of greens though. Once again, I don’t think it’s a great movie, but, IMO, it’s pretty decent.

Renee Russo is smoking hot and the fact that anyone, even the resident board curmudgeon, suggested otherwise is proof that this board has gone to pot.

ETA- And I'm nowheres near as old as Grill- that dude is a geezer. Just sayin that Ms. Russo appeals to men of all ages.

ETA to the ETA- She appeals to heterosexual men of all ages. I have no idea if she appeals to men with other than heterosexual tendencies.

 

[UNC71-00]

 

[Heels Noir]

You're absolutely right.

Still trying to figure out the difference between a “cinematic film” and a good ol’ regular film.

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[strummingram]

Still trying to figure out the difference between a “cinematic film” and a good ol’ regular film.

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Cinematic film was the term I chose to refer to a film where there are actors playing parts that are "based on a true story." It's not a documentary. It's a portrayal where you're going to see artistic license and embellishments from any number of people contributing to the final result. Whether it's the screenplay, the acting, the directing, whatever.

If you watch the film "Malcolm X", you'll see Spike Lee's "interpretation" of Alex Haley's book. And, Haley's book was Haley's own interpretation of what he learned from and about Malcolm Little (Malcolm X). That film has inaccuracies. But, it's still an awesome movie.

So, it's probably not a good idea to watch those films and then believe you know what actually took place.

 

[TarHeelMark]

So, it's probably not a good idea to watch those films and then believe you know what actually took place.

Dammit. So you’re telling me this movie wasn’t based on facts?

 

[tarheel0910]

Dammit. So you’re telling me this movie wasn’t based on facts?

Yeah, it's not completely accurate. His teacher was actually a Mexican midget and he used a sling blade instead of an axe.

 

[strummingram]

Dammit. So you’re telling me this movie wasn’t based on facts?

That one is different.

 

[heelz2345]

Well, if we are talking actors that I don’t understand how they still have work, gonna have to go with Roseanne Barr. I have zero interest in seeing this reunion show that just premiered (to be fair, that goes for pretty much all reunion shows). I didn’t watch the original series, she just seems super annoying and grating. John Goodman is the only reason I would consider giving the show a shot, and even my great appreciation for John Goodman isn’t enough to get me interested

 

[tarheel0910]

Well, if we are talking actors that I don’t understand how they still have work, gonna have to go with Roseanne Barr. I have zero interest in seeing this reunion show that just premiered (to be fair, that goes for pretty much all reunion shows). I didn’t watch the original series, she just seems super annoying and grating. John Goodman is the only reason I would consider giving the show a shot, and even my great appreciation for John Goodman isn’t enough to get me interested

The original is great. I have no interest in the new one though.

 

[coolwaterunc]

I can't listen to Roseanne's voice longer than two seconds without wanting to kill myself.

 

[Littlejon]

Never cared for Roseanne at all, especially after she went on that screed national anthem crapfest. Show irritated me back then and I don’t see me watching it now. People making a big deal about the politics only because she isn’t blatantly liberal. Frankly, I am sick of politics overtaking everything in TV anyway, regardless of which side. Just shut up and act. I watch TV and movies to escape the nonstop political harping back and forth, not to get more of it

Besides that, no one on that show outside of John Goodman is what I would call a good actor anyway.

Speaking of Goodman, I loved him in Oh Brother Where Art Thou? Fantastic movie. Writing, acting (and I can’t stand George Clooney) and especially the music.

Can’t believe no one has mentioned Tim Robbins since we discussed Bull Durham so much. Or maybe I missed it. If I did, sorry!

Anyway, Robbins is not a great actor, but has been in some really good movies. Bull Durham, of course, but Shawshank Redemption. Loved that movie and Morgan Freeman is one of my favorite actors. Robbins was OK in the movie, but it was a great story, with good writing, cinematography and acting, minus Robbins

 

[tarheel0910]

John Goodman is criminally underrated as an actor.

 

[heelz2345]

John Goodman is criminally underrated as an actor.

Agree 100%. He always elevates whatever he's in, and he's equally adept at drama and comedy. Not everything he's done is consistently great, but he's great in everything.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Plus, the absurdity of the storyline is over the top. .

Did y'all just see what Sergio Garcia did? maybe the story isn't so outlandish.

 

[TarHeelMark]

I like (most) Kevin Costner movies.

 

[tarheel0910]

I like (most) Kevin Costner movies.

He has a new one out on Netflix with Woody Harrelson. Haven't seen it yet, but it's in my queue.

 

[TarHeelMark]

He has a new one out on Netflix with Woody Harrelson. Haven't seen it yet, but it's in my queue.

same... I want to see that one as well; Woody's a damn good actor too.

 

[toophly1124]

same... I want to see that one as well; Woody's a damn good actor too.

It’s was good. I love Woody and thought Costner was the better actor in this one. They both were good tho. They could’ve wrapped it up 30 mins earlier for my liking but I gave it 6/10.

 

[Littlejon]

Agree. I watched it the other night and thought it was a good, but not great, movie. Dragged on a bit at times and wasn’t the best acting by either Costner or Harrelson, but it wasn’t a stinker either.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Best actors, in no partucular order:

Jeff Bridges
Brad Pitt
Christian Bale
Daniel Day Lewis
Brendon Gleeson
Gary Oldman

BTW, the following actresses are extremely overrated, and not even good looking:

Julia Roberts
Jennifer Lawrence
Rene Russo
and most of all...

Lady Gaga:

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Let's add ScarJo, and her sloppy looking body, to the list as well.

 

[tarheel0910]

Best actors, in no partucular order:

Jeff Bridges
Brad Pitt
Christian Bale
Daniel Day Lewis
Brendon Gleeson
Gary Oldman

Yikes. You putting Pitt on a list with those guys is a huge fail. Pitt is below average at best.

 

[TarHeelMark]

Yikes. You putting Pitt on a list with those guys is a huge fail. Pitt is below average at best.

Yep. Replace Pitt with Sam Rockwell, and that’s a pretty decent list.

 

[Heelicious]

I'll just comment on a few Costner movies that were mentioned little or not at all, where he had a prominent role, and my take:

Plus side for Costner:
Hidden Figures - a sort of teacher and leader in the space program in the 60's and integrating black women into it. He had an unremarkable role, but was decent at his part
McFarland USA - I think this is his most underrated film. True story about a high school football coach who got in trouble for disciplining a player; got shipped to coach in McFarland High - on border of US and Mexico. Turned a team of Hispanic crop field working kids into an eventual state champion cross country team - and a legendary running multi-state-champion program. The best part was his learning about the sincerity and "realness, relationships, heart, tradition, family" of the Hispanic community and how hard their lives were, how hard they had to work at everything, but what great family ties and bonds they had. I highly recommend it.
Field of Dreams - I liked him pretty well in this. Thought he was too preachy in Bull Durham and in DWW.

Minus side:
The Guardian - one of the worst acting jobs ever, maybe only eclipsed by....
the Postman - pathetic, cheesy, stupid, poor writing, dialogue. I don't think I've ever seen even parts of a worse movie. So bad it makes you laugh. Terrible.

Most overrated actors:
Matt Damon (except he was decent in the Bourne series)
Leonardo DiCaprio
George Clooney
...I guess I can't get past their smug, know it all, preachy politics - even when it isn't explicitly in their movies. I just think as actors they are overrated.

Favorite, possibly underrated actors:
Robert Duvall
Tommy Lee Jones (so with these first two, Lonesome Dove is a favorite mini-series / movie)
Al Pacino - from Godfather to Scarface to Scent of a Woman, and many more - just great at many different roles.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Yep. Replace Pitt with Sam Rockwell, and that’s a pretty decent list.

I think Pitt is a good actor, but yeah...Rockwell should be up there too.