Man, it was fun watching those Butter highlights. I had forgotten what a wizard he was passing the ball. There has to be a place in the NBA for that. There just has to be.
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Very true. The game has changed to an almost unwatchable product as far as I'm concerned.
Coach: "Let's run as fast as we can down to the other end and jack up a quick 3. And then on defense, let's just let the other team score quickly and we'll get the ball back and run down and jack another quick 3."
Players: "Yeah! Sounds like a solid gameplan."
Then why isn't he on a team consistently since 2014? I get the ACL but that was 2.5 years ago and he's only 25. He's 39/37/61 for his career, you can't roster a guy with those splits.
Knicks aside, NBA GM's are pretty good at their job on the whole. You're telling me 29 of them have just missed on this guy?
I LOVED Butter at UNC and would love to root for him on an NBA roster, I just don't think it's going to happen.
Since the '12-'13 season (when Kendall entered the league), among players with >= 2000 minutes (412 total players), Kendall ranks:
2nd worst TOV% (behind Kendrick Perkins)
30th worst TS%
2nd worst in Box Plus-Minus
47th worst Offensive Box Plus-Minus
7th worst Defensive Box Plus-Minus
2nd worst TOV% (behind Kendrick Perkins)
30th worst TS%
2nd worst in Box Plus-Minus
47th worst Offensive Box Plus-Minus
7th worst Defensive Box Plus-Minus
I swear most of the people on here don't actually watch the NBA. Offenses and defenses are far more sophisticated than they've ever been. Ball- and player-movement in the modern game are incredible.
Once upon a time, you could carve out a role with one NBA-level skill. You can't anymore. The league is too good at exploiting weaknesses. You have to be at least passable at almost everything, regardless of your position.
Once upon a time, you could carve out a role with one NBA-level skill. You can't anymore. The league is too good at exploiting weaknesses. You have to be at least passable at almost everything, regardless of your position.
You're not nearly as smart as you pretend to be.
http://www.businessinsider.com/tristan-thompson-signs-with-cavaliers-2015-10
Thompson, averaged 8.5 points and eight rebounds in 26.8 minutes per game when he got this deal.
1. Tristan plays a ton of defense
2. Tell me what Tristan's agent and Lebron James have in common. He got that deal for many other reasons beyond his play on the court.
Agreed.
Thompson is an elite offensive rebounder, a very good roll man, and very good at switching onto guards. He's a good complementary player on both sides of the ball.
And more importantly, LeBron wanted him to get (over-)paid.
Yes, he's carved out a role with 3 high-level skills, one of which is super valuable (the ability to switch onto guards). And even then his impact is limited, and he's generally considered overpaid.
Compare to Kendall, who has one offensive skill that isn't among the worst of players at his position, who has to be be ball-dominant to use that one skill, and is absolutely atrocious on defense.
Offensive rebounding, P&R roll man, switching onto guards. He is, as Zach Lowe calls him, an elite role player.
Well as you said earlier the league is "too good at exploiting weaknesses", so we can safely say his effectiveness will start to dwindle.
See 2017 NBA finals for details.
See 2017 NBA finals for details.
Quincy Acy
Anthony Bennett
Tyler Ennis
Justin Holiday
Garrett Temple
If someone could please tell me how the above players are offering more to their respective teams than Kendall could offer a team, that'd be great. TIA.
Yes I am sure if he was a starter he could give you 12pts and 10assist. Besides the 10 assist, 12 pts is terrible! As a back up he is not given enough time to even rack up the 10 assist. So without looking I will prolly say his career average as a back up is 5pts 3 assist.
KM could live without the scoring, but add in limited defense and hardly any rebounds, he is a sturdy guy to have on the team to fill in a couple minutes here and there, but his NBA days are drawing to a close (Although he has made millions so I aint hating).
Acy is an adequate defender who won't demand the ball on offense.
Bennett is one of the worst #1 overall picks ever, is out of the league, and was released by Fenerbahçe in Turkey. Not sure why he's relevant.
Ennis is terrible and is unlikely to stick around. But he has decent physical tools, so he still inspires a tiny bit of hope.
Holiday and Temple are perfectly serviceable (mediocre) wings. They can shoot, handle, and defend at an okay level.
Kendall has two main problems that those players don't:
1) He's outlier-level bad on defense.
2) His offensive game requires him to control the ball. It's easy to minimize the impact of a bad wing, as long as he can at least threaten to shoot. But Kendall is a ball-dominant PG, so his weaknesses are magnified.
List players you think have only one NBA-level skill; i.e., players who are terrible at all but one thing.
And "defense" is not a single skill.
1 - I'm not sure I agree with you there. I'm probably not going to believe he's that bad unless you can get several NBA scouts to call me directly and tell me the same thing.
2 - Well, yeah, because he's a point guard, he would indeed have to have the ball in his hands. But if he's as terrible as you've made him out to be, why did teams ever have him on the roster? Was he tricking them? Blackmailing them? I mean, if he's as god-awful as he apparently is, why would an NBA team have ever paid him money? They could have just traded for the far more promising Tyler Ennis, right?
I can use our very own Ed Davis, with his rebounding as an example. I watch the nba religious, more than college.
You're comments on Butter are now sticking in my craw. If he's as bad as you have made him out to be, how was he able to score 20 points in an NBA game?
Furthermore, how is he able to manage 15 assists? If the other players know he's so terrible at scoring, why wouldn't they just play the pass every time? And if they are playing the pass every time, how is he able to rack up those assists numbers?
I agree, but Kendall's overall PG play is poor. He's a great passer, but he's not good at shooting, running the P&R, creating in isolation, or working off the ball.
He can only pass.
Davis is an NBA-level rebounder, defender, roll man, and garbage bucket guy. He's not really good, but he checks a lot of "passable" boxes.
Well, he did shoot 40% from 3 while with the Lakers. And had a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio.
1) Does NBA teams showing no interest in him not communicate the same message? If you value the opinions of NBA scouts, you should trust their disinclination to sign him.
2) Teams had him on the roster because he had promise. He really is a phenomenal passer, so teams hoped he could get to at least passable in other areas. At this point they've largely given up on that hope. Hell, some teams may still think he's worth a shot, because you can't teach his passing ability. But to this point in his career he's been quite bad.
Garabage buckets is a skill to you? Any NBA big should be able to do that. Davis Skill is his rebounding. He's average on defense. Not the Rim Protector he was in college.
"Average on defense" crosses the threshold I'm looking for. I'm not asking for above average or even at average, I'm asking for better than bad.
Waived because they wanted to signed him for cheaper. However, Bucks picked him up before he can cleared waivers.
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/7/19/5919213/kendall-marshall-milwaukee-bucks-nba-free-agency-2014
If he was on the fast track to lead the league in assists would they do that? They obviously knew the risk and felt losing him as a player wasn't a huge deal and cap flexibility (even at minimal amounts) was more important.
My point is he's been waived or traded by every team he's been on and is not currently on an NBA roster. Great college player, doesn't have a role in 2017 NBA. That's the bottom line.
Teams let him shoot. They dare him to. They leave him open because they're very comfortable with the results. The goal of an NBA team isn't to prevent the opposing team from scoring a single point, it's to minimize how many points they score over time. Letting Kendall shoot accomplishes that.
I'm not saying Kendall is incapable of tying his own shoe. He is an exceptional passer, so he'll find openings for his teammates. He'll hit some shots. But his ball dominance and complete lack of gravity prevent him from being an effective player on offense.
They had to waive either Kendall or Ryan Kelly to clear a small amount of cap space for FA signings. They chose to waive Kendall.
I may be overstating my case a bit, and if Kendall ends up contributing to a good team, feel free to @ me. Kendall was one of my favorite players, so I'd love to be wrong here.
But there's this idea on here that every single UNC player is better than NBA teams think they are. It's crazy.
But there's this idea on here that every single UNC player is better than NBA teams think they are. It's crazy.
Who thinks that? Most on this board talks about our lack of star power in the NBA currently.
That idea only lives in your head dude!
I do believe Butter and MP are better than MBA teams seem to think they are though! They both have elite wills and intelligence and these TWO skills are NBA level! Butter is not "outlier" bad at D, he just isn't a lock down defender. His shot isn't broken (Ginyard and TPs shots are), he hits a respectable amount. Butter is awesome at Pick and Roll because he pressures the D off the dribble even when they lag off him. You don't have to hit the shot, you just have to put the D in a bad position for the rebound, which he does regularly or get them on their heels by slashing and dishing.
I do believe Butter and MP are better than MBA teams seem to think they are though! They both have elite wills and intelligence and these TWO skills are NBA level! Butter is not "outlier" bad at D, he just isn't a lock down defender. His shot isn't broken (Ginyard and TPs shots are), he hits a respectable amount. Butter is awesome at Pick and Roll because he pressures the D off the dribble even when they lag off him. You don't have to hit the shot, you just have to put the D in a bad position for the rebound, which he does regularly or get them on their heels by slashing and dishing.
He's an obvious troll, who pretends to be some great insider.
He and that fool sjung have the same m.o.
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