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Raising Heel

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You are the head coach of the North Carolina football team. You get to choose the starting quarterback. Here are the choices based on their 2014 performance. Which one do you pick?

Quarterback A
Completion % --- 53.8%
Yards per Completion --- 10.9
Yards per Attempt --- 5.9
TD:INT Ratio --- 1.3

Quarterback B
Completion % --- 63.1%
Yards per Completion --- 11.4
Yards per Attempt --- 7.2
TD:INT Ratio --- 2.3
 
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See I'm still fine with MW. He had a bad game. It was out of character. If it continues then fine, but I'm sticking with our guy until then.
 
I vote A for two reasons:

1. This season is about getting ready for 2016; i.e. we aren't challenging for ACCCG this year.
2. A has more upside than B, and A has eligibility remaining after this season.
 
I vote A for two reasons:

1. This season is about getting ready for 2016; i.e. we aren't challenging for ACCCG this year.
2. A has more upside than B, and A has eligibility remaining after this season.

I agree, we're playing for the future. With a year of starting under his belt, Mitch should be ready to play at a high level next year, perhaps even by the second half of this year. Count me among those who think Mitch has a much bigger upside than Quise. Even if the OC doesn't know how to use his stud running back down there, a fifth year senior simply has to know better than to turn the ball over three times in the red zone. If he doesn't, he isn't ever going to lead us to anything of importance.
 
^ I love MW and his competiveness. But his continual mistakes in this game were the difference. I would love to see MT get the next start and begin to develop his toughness and abilities for the next two years. Not going to happen though.
 
any of you guys watching sumlin coach tempo offense vs asu?

looks like a team that runs tempo exactly how you're supposed to...they find weaknesses in each game, series, and formation, and then they go after it.
 
any of you guys watching sumlin coach tempo offense vs asu?

looks like a team that runs tempo exactly how you're supposed to...they find weaknesses in each game, series, and formation, and then they go after it.
Yes! It was a thing of beauty. You know how many times I screamed, "Just make the damn adjustment?" Thursday night? Well, I forgot but you can ask my wife, she knows.
 
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I vote A for two reasons:

1. This season is about getting ready for 2016; i.e. we aren't challenging for ACCCG this year.
2. A has more upside than B, and A has eligibility remaining after this season.
1. That's a complete overreaction IMO. We appear to have developed a run game and the defense is showing improvement. We know what deficiencies need to be addressed and have three games to do that before conference play. Also, I think that's a pretty crappy outlook to adopt in regards to our seniors, all of whom have put up with some real BS over their time at UNC.
2. Fair enough.
 
any of you guys watching sumlin coach tempo offense vs asu?

looks like a team that runs tempo exactly how you're supposed to...they find weaknesses in each game, series, and formation, and then they go after it.

I agree, it's a thing of beauty to watch. I haven't seen that ability to make adjustments from our staff. It's one of my biggest concerns with Fedora.
 
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QBs will have good games and bad games. With the running backs we have, all we really need is a QB that will manage the game and not lose it. MW clearly lost the game with poor decisions and worse throws. The fact is that is 4 straight bad games for MW. I don't know if MT is the answer, but he couldn't have been worse last week that is for sure.
 
Bets that Marquise wins us a big game this year, with his arm?! Maybe ignorance is bliss, but I tend to lean toward the side of MW just being off Thursday
 
Bets that Marquise wins us a big game this year, with his arm?! Maybe ignorance is bliss, but I tend to lean toward the side of MW just being off Thursday

that's one way to look at it...of course, when mw comes out the week before and makes sure we're all aware he's not playing to be a "hero this year" i have to be concerned...one, because he's been making these mistakes for two years...and two, because his coaches are putting him in positions to be a hero and not just a bus driver.
 
Sure I get that, I do. And coaches need to make decisions to put players in position to be successful and then we all know "players gotta play". MW definitely needs to be worlds better than he was thurs and I feel he has for the better part of his career so concerned
 
Trubisky's sample size is small and he has never played a long enough stretch to get into a groove.
Trubisky has been 1 series and then yanked. And everytime anything went wrong with a play during his series, the wave of revulsion at the very thought that he would be playing at all seemed never ending.

I vote A for two reasons:

1. This season is about getting ready for 2016; i.e. we aren't challenging for ACCCG this year.
2. A has more upside than B, and A has eligibility remaining after this season.


#1 - absolutely true. And the logic applies to every position. If a SR starter is not definitely, rather significantly, better than an underclass reserve, then the reserve player needs to see major minutes every game - because that best prepares us for 2016.

#2 - absolutely true, with the caveat that MW has far more upside as a power runner between the tackles. Other than that - which skill becomes superfluous the more that we use Hood to do what he does very well - Trubisky has considerably more potential to be the all around QB who distributes the ball effectively to our many play makers.
 
hit the wrong button ^... But concerned I am as well but Im gonna hold out a little longer
The problem Fedora holding out is that this week MW is almost certain to look very good - and MW's posse will once proclaim him great, maybe 1st team All ACC. And we have Illinois, which looked better than I thought possible. The time to give the young QB who needs experience this year to best prepare us to hit 2-16 running, is these next 3 games.
 
i don't even remember those games

He played horrible at Duke if I remember. It was our D, RBs and WRs making the plays. I believe we would have scored 60 against Duke but MW kept throwing picks in that game. But that is what I remember and could be wrong. No confidence in him right now.
 
He played horrible at Duke if I remember. It was our D, RBs and WRs making the plays. I believe we would have scored 60 against Duke but MW kept throwing picks in that game. But that is what I remember and could be wrong. No confidence in him right now.
MW was 18 of 27 (67%) for 276 yards, 2 TDs, and 0 INTs. He also ran for 113 and scored another 2 TDs on the ground.

This is exactly why it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about MW as a QB. People who can't even get their facts straight are condemning his performances. Not just picking on you, SeaHawk, because others are doing it both on this board and on premium. Y'all are driving me nuts.
 
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MW was 18 of 27 (67%) for 276 yards, 2 TDs, and 0 INTs. He also ran for 113 and scored another 2 TDs on the ground.

This is exactly why it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about MW as a QB. People who can't even get their facts straight are condemning his performances. Not just picking on you, SeaHawk, because others are doing it both on this board and on premium. Y'all are driving me nuts.

Interesting. Why do you think there is such disdain for him? I ask sincerely.
 
imo, part of the problem with him is simple is almost always hard, and difficult sometimes looks effortless.

it helps his cause tremendously that he he's not renner in this current form of offense and he's so far removed from durant and curry that people sometimes can't seem to separate.

also, he may have that gene that when it really gets tough, he feels he's the only one that can help.
 
Interesting. Why do you think there is such disdain for him? I ask sincerely.
The short version? With apologies to posters on premium who've heard me say this before, I blame confirmation bias. Plenty of people made up their minds long ago that Williams is a bad QB (or Fedora is a bad coach, or Littrell is a bad OC, etc.) and so they latch on to any evidence supporting their opinion while disregarding any evidence that contradicts it.

The long version? The last offensive series against South Carolina is a microcosm of this issue. The specific plays from that drive I've seen cited on the boards are 1) MW taking a 2-yard loss by running out of bounds when he couldn't find an open receiver, 2) the Hood highlight-reel run for 29 yards, and of course 3) the final interception.

On 1), posters are screaming that a 5th year QB should know to throw the ball out of bounds rather than take a loss. Perfectly valid point. On 2), several posters have said Hood should've gotten the rock more since he was the one who had carried us to the South Carolina 9-yard line. That's a partial truth since Hood only ran the ball once for 29 yards on that drive. It was a spectacular play, no doubt, but it wasn't like he had single-handedly put us in position to win. People also quickly forgot that Hood's previous carry had gone for a loss. As far as 3), well, that was just a terrible decision and throw.

Now let's talk about the plays that nobody has mentioned. The first was a 13-yard first down completion to Bug Howard where MW did a nice job to find Howard coming out of his break on a dig route. On the very next play, South Carolina blitzed an outside linebacker who came in untouched from MW's blind side. With the blitzer grabbing on to MW's jersey, and crushing him just a split-second later, MW was able to step into the throw and complete a 16-yard pass to Quinshad Davis for another 1st down. Later, on 2nd and short, Jon Heck committed a false start penalty that put us in 2nd and long. MW hit Mack Hollins perfectly on an out route to the sideline that put us back in a manageable 3rd-and-1 situation, which led to the big play by Hood. [Sidebar: worth noting the coaches who "don't know how to use their backs" had Hood in on a critical 3rd and short.] After an incompletion, the next pass hit Bug Howard right in the hands and he dropped it, putting the Heels in 3rd and 10. On the next play, MW hit Switzer in stride on a quick screen to pick up another critical 3rd down conversion. It was a fairly routine pass, though, and most of the credit goes to Kendrick Singleton for a crushing block that freed up Switzer to get past the chains.

You get the idea. Our QB who is "wildly inconsistent" on "all types of passes" and always "looking to run ASAP" did a pretty good job moving us from our own 12-yard line to the opponent's 9-yard line. All that in spite of an OL committing a stupid penalty and a WR dropping a pass (neither of whom I've heard criticized). MW was a major factor in putting us in a position to win the game before everything fell apart.

MW is obviously limited in ways that we all recognize. I'm certainly not blind to that, and the three interceptions on Thursday were pretty horrific from a decision-making and execution perspective. But when people deliberately choose to focus on only the worst aspects of his performance while completely ignoring the rest, you end up with an exaggerated account of his shortcomings that is unreasonable and unfair. I think this is going to be my last post on the topic because I've grown pretty tired of it. It seems like no one is going to change their mind.
 
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Building on / referring to your post above @Raising Heel and to address @UNC71-00 's question -- I know you hate this RH, but people are basing their lack of faith in MW on feel and observation, more than statistics. It's the inaccurate balls on slants and quick-hitter passes that does it for me.

I can't speak for everyone, but for me at least, the fact that Marquise makes a lot of amazing plays makes it all the more frustrating. There's "Good 'Quise" and "Bad 'Quise" and they often emerge in the same drive. I don't know what to do with that. Like....yes he made all those good plays you mentioned to get us down the field and then makes a very bad play to turn it over. There's no way to know if another QB would be able to get us up and down the field and then not throw a pick.......but it's frustrating.

He does battle so hard and I respect that.
 
Okay, breaking my promise to drop it lol....
I know you hate this RH, but people are basing their lack of faith in MW on feel and observation, more than statistics. It's the inaccurate balls on slants and quick-hitter passes that does it for me.
I don't hate it. I just hate when it's selective and when the recollection of events is demonstrably wrong like in SeaHawk's post. It's the same phenomenon that makes eyewitness testimony in court cases so unreliable. UNC games are an emotional experience for most of us -- heaven knows I act like an idiot -- so sometimes the way we remember things is clouded by the heat of the moment. That's why I always go back and re-watch the games at least once. You see more things and see them more objectively.
I can't speak for everyone, but for me at least, the fact that Marquise makes a lot of amazing plays makes it all the more frustrating. There's "Good 'Quise" and "Bad 'Quise" and they often emerge in the same drive. I don't know what to do with that.
Somebody on premium made the same point, saying that Marquise has a high ceiling but also a really low floor. Thought that was an interesting way of putting it. That's just another way of saying he's inconsistent, but it's well said because it shows what a downside risk he can be. We all hoped he would fix that this season, but I'm afraid it's who he is. We've got three games coming up for him to straighten it out, and hopefully MT will get plenty of snaps in that span. If MW can't rebound convincingly, then I have no problem with giving MT the reins.
 
give us the stats on MW that are against opponents that are comparable to carolina not the total number where his numbers are padded.
we don't have any stats on Trubinsky to speak of.
players make physical errors, it's part of the game. what i'm po'd about MW was taking the sack on 3rd and goal when he should have thrown the ball through the uprights. a fifth year senior should never make that mistake. inexcusable!
MW screwed up in the red zone, what are his numbers there?
 
Sorry it wasn't 3 pics, it was 3 fumbles. Still three turnovers in one game. Defense set the tone that game. To set the record straight, I like MW, but he is not an elite QB and he is not good enough to lead UNC to a 9 or 10 win season. To make matters worse, we have an awesome group of running backs, but the idiots on the sidelines would rather have MW throw INTs than run the ball. THIS IS UNC FOOTBALL! Seen it too many times. Nothing freaking changes.
 
Trubisky's sample size is small and he has never played a long enough stretch to get into a groove.
This is why I didn't vote. How would you know how good Mitch is with such a small sample size. Plus how much better has he gotten over the last year.
 
Sorry it wasn't 3 pics, it was 3 fumbles. Still three turnovers in one game. Defense set the tone that game. To set the record straight, I like MW, but he is not an elite QB and he is not good enough to lead UNC to a 9 or 10 win season. To make matters worse, we have an awesome group of running backs, but the idiots on the sidelines would rather have MW throw INTs than run the ball. THIS IS UNC FOOTBALL! Seen it too many times. Nothing freaking changes.
The idiot on the sideline not calling the plays. But he should have a talk with Seth. And or take over play calling. He does that really well. Look at our Cincy Bowl game.That's how he got his job first HC job. But I can see y'all's point. And I agree on the Hood thing. But please tell me how Fed could override Seth. Point out a bad playcall before that last trip in the redzone. And don't mention the picks. That is an execution thing on both. Not trying to start something. Just using common sense.
 
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As far as this topic. MW starts and plays until. 1) the season is over with no chance to get to a bowl. 2) MW continues to make bad decisions and poor throws. Costing us games that you can clearly see we were the better team that day and his mistakes cost us the game like Thurs Nite. I think you would lose the team if you made the change now. MW was the Heart and Soul of this team last year. And how much part of the problem last years last two games was due to his injury.
 
give us the stats on MW that are against opponents that are comparable to carolina not the total number where his numbers are padded.
MW and MT split snaps until the ND game. That means MW faced more difficult competition because his games included the entire conference slate and not a relatively high number of OOC games like MT.
we don't have any stats on Trubinsky to speak of.
Nonsense. He had 78 pass attempts which is the equivalent of 2-3 full games.
MW screwed up in the red zone, what are his numbers there?
Prior to Thursday's game, MW had thrown 87 career passes in the red zone, with 20 TDs and 0 INTs.
 
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Raising your numbers are good and all. But you can't compare MT and MW numbers. First you can't get into a rhythm when you only get one series out of every 3 or 4 series. Or mop up duty in a blow out. Then most coaches either run the ball 2/3 of the time with other 2nd stringers in. Or being down big and team knowing your airing it out. No hard to defend when your one dimensional. As for the series thing I mentioned above.That's the excuse everyone was using last year with MWs up and down stats early in the season. So you can't do that to MT. Not fair.
 
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