Logan Byrd transferring

[WoadBlue]

Until Elliott got to play, with both Harris and Surratt injured, the Faithful for Fedora would have assumed that Byrd must suck something awful, because Harris showed in play that he sucks at least as much as he did at LSU, and Surratt showed that he was a raw athlete and little more. So if Byrd were 4th team, then his suckage should be off the charts.

But when Fedora was forced to play Elliott, we all saw that Elliott is decidedly better than Harris and definitely better than Surratt (though some of the most Faithful for Fedora keep telling themselves that it is invincible ignorance that causes people to not see things as does the genius Fedora who knew that Harris was the best QB on the team and that nobody other than Surratt deserved a single snap).

And that means it is possible that Byrd is better than all of them. If Fedora can be that totally wrong about Harris and Elliott, then he also could be that wrong, even could be more than that wrong, about Byrd.

There is no way to know how good Byrd is until he is allowed to play. Which Fedora refused to do.

We still lack a 230 pound RB, and Byrd looked good as a runner, with power and deceptive speed, in HS. But if you realize Fedora has screwed you at QB, you likely do not trust him to oversee your move to RB, should you be willing to make that move.

If Byrd plays his Sophomore year of eligibility at a Juco, then he can go anywhere for 2019.

 

[blazers]

Is your post about byrd or Fed? Don't have dedicated trash-the-coach threads?

Branch is 230
Sutton is 230.
Why speculate that Byrd even wants to play rb unless you are trolling negativity. Fed will be here a few more yes, so why don't you ho root for someone else and check back in 2019?

Surratt and Elliot don't really that different to me. Neither was ready. Elliot should be much better given his additional year, but he's not that much better. He also benefited from improved line play down the stretch. Watch surratt vs Louisville, then Elliot vs ncsu and see who looks better.

Elliot was tied for first string all camp, but Byrd was left out of that trio. You aren't in practice, so have zero clue about reality, so you should admit your pure speculation.

 

[sctarheel30]

Not a surprise. Not sure the kid ever got a real chance to show what he could do. Best of luck. May have been the best quarterback on the team who knows.

 

[tarheel0910]

None of them are starting this year. I wish him luck where ever he goes.

 

[blazers]

Byrd was an early enrollee and arrived healthy, while surratt arrived injured (elbow) and was not an early enrollee. Byrd had a chance that spring to get a leg up.

Also, I'd say we might've had the nation's worst pass protection from when Spain went down from 2nd half of Cal thru VT. No quarterback had a chance, and it was probably hard to anticipate the lesser of the evils under live fire (by live fire I mean the ol not blocking simple blitzes up the middle at all).

Harris has the best arm of all, just bad vision. And Elliot was close to starting til Aug 21... So clearly everyone was equally bad. The horrific ol brought out the worst in surratt, and that type of stuff you can't anticipate until they're under the bright lights. Elliot has the lower ceiling due to arm. Clearly the coaches were aiming high, playing to win, being more aggressive with the 'gamble' to go w surratt.

Aside from pitt Elliot never looked good, go look at his percentages and ratings. Vs Pitt we unleashed Ratliff trick plays, bargas and the ol played their best gm of the yr.

 

[uncboy10]

None of them are starting this year. I wish him luck where ever he goes.

Yep. We're quite possibly going to have a true freshman QB starting, and I for one am pumped about it.

 

[notashelbyfan]

Surratt moved to WR maybe?

 

[tarheel0910]

Surratt moved to WR maybe?

I wouldn't think so. We have plenty of WRs and we are still going to need at least two QB's to back up Ruder.

 

[blazers]

Surratt moved to WR maybe?

Surratt's early dev was a little hampered:

"When Surratt went to UNC, he did so after injured his left (throwing) elbow in the 2015 high school football playoffs.
Fedora said he and his staff were determined to get Surratt healthy before allowing him to participate in practice sessions.
“We backed him up and brought him along really slow and made sure that it healed correctly,” Fedora said of Surratt’s rehabilitation. “He had good doctors and a great rehab.”
"
I suspect Chazz didn't do much throwing in fall camp or that rs frosh season.

Still too soon to fully judge Surratt as a qb imo, Trubisky would probably have had trouble moving the ball behind our matador OL last yr.

 

[blazers]

I wouldn't think so. We have plenty of WRs and we are still going to need at least two QB's to back up Ruder.

It's rare for a true frosh QB to be good. Esp when their HS level of comp is so small. Not saying it can't happen, just that odds are against it.

 

[tarheel0910]

It's rare for a true frosh QB to be good. Esp when their HS level of comp is so small. Not saying it can't happen, just that odds are against it.

@TarHeelNation11 got me to jump on the Ruder bandwagon and I'm not jumping off. And honestly I don't really care if he's not great his freshman year. If he can be average his first year I think that sets him up to be better the next year because of real game experience.

 

[blazers]

@TarHeelNation11 got me to jump on the Ruder bandwagon and I'm not jumping off. And honestly I don't really care if he's not great his freshman year. If he can be average his first year I think that sets him up to be better the next year because of real game experience.

I hope that bandwagon isn't like the Chazz or Mike Paulus bandwagon

 

[riverswe]

I'm hoping Ruder comes in and looks really good. Not wishing bad things for Elliott or Surratt but not sure either is going to be a big time QB and scared if either starts all season next year it will be hard to replace them until they graduate. With that said, I'd go with the QB that gives us the best chance to win that day. We need to win more than anything else.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Some of you guys are nuts.

Before injury to the line and himself, Surratt looked decidedly better than Elliott. Barring injury, Surratt will beat out Elliott next year. Unless Ruder blows people away, redshirt him. He will be a stud down the road.

To all the grumbling about Byrd transferring, the same was said for Henderson. Henderson became the 4th string QB at lowly Maryland.

 

[uncboy10]

If Ruder is good enough to take the job as a freshman then he will light it up by his junior year.

 

[riverswe]

I think Surratt looked pretty good before the injuries but not sure he'll ever be a MT or MW like QB. If he was a Sr next year I would be more inclined to redshirt Ruder but if Ruder doesn't start next season it could easily be 3 years before we see him. I say start the best QB we have game one, no rotation, no holding back. We absolutely need to start winning game 1 next season to distance ourselves from this past terrible season.

 

[tarheel0910]

Some of you guys are nuts.

Before injury to the line and himself, Surratt looked decidedly better than Elliott. Barring injury, Surratt will beat out Elliott next year. Unless Ruder blows people away, redshirt him. He will be a stud down the road.

To all the grumbling about Byrd transferring, the same was said for Henderson. Henderson became the 4th string QB at lowly Maryland.

Surratt and Elliott aren't going to win the division. Go ahead and get Ruder some game experience for the future. No need to delay his development.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Surratt and Elliott aren't going to win the division. Go ahead and get Ruder some game experience for the future. No need to delay his development.

People are selling too quickly on Surratt.

 

[riverswe]

Bottom line for me is I don't care who the QB is next season. I just hope the coaches can do a better job of evaluating the QBs before the season starts and can identify the one who gives us the best chance of winning and starts him and plays him the whole game (or until we're far enough ahead to get somebody else some reps).

 

[uncboy10]

People are selling too quickly on Surratt.

Ruder just has better tools. Surratt didn't show anything in the way of intangibles that would mitigate that.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Ruder just has better tools. Surratt didn't show anything in the way of intangibles that would mitigate that.

Not to be rude, but that’s a ridiculous statement. Surratt showed he can play against acc teams when healthy. Ruder is still in HS playing against inferior competition.

Caleb Henderson had amazing tape. Big, fast, huge arm. He couldn’t play at the next level.

Again, people are sellling too quickly on Surratt.

 

[uncboy10]

Not to be rude, but that’s a ridiculous statement. Surratt showed he can play against acc teams when healthy. Ruder is still in HS playing against inferior competition.

Caleb Henderson had amazing tape. Big, fast, huge arm. He couldn’t play at the next level.

Again, people are sellling too quickly on Surratt.

I'm not going off the tape. I'm going off of his physical tools. He undoubtedly has a stronger arm than surratt which is certainly no accomplishment. Surratt has a rag arm. They have comparable 40 times. What does surratt bring to the table that ruder doesn't?

 

[ticket2ride04]

I'm not going off the tape. I'm going off of his physical tools. He undoubtedly has a stronger arm than surratt which is certainly no accomplishment. Surratt has a rag arm. They have comparable 40 times. What does surratt bring to the table that ruder doesn't?

Henderson has a bigger arm than both. Equally as fast.

Harris has a bigger arm than all of them.

Surratt brings actual game experience and understanding of the playbook. He looked good early before injuries set in with him and the Oline.

Lastly, Surratt does not have a rag arm. Elliott has a rag arm.

 

[uncboy10]

Henderson has a bigger arm than both. Equally as fast.

Harris has a bigger arm than all of them.

Surratt brings actual game experience and understanding of the playbook. He looked good early before injuries set in with him and the Oline.

Lastly, Surratt does not have a rag arm. Elliott has a rag arm.

Surratt throws lollipops. I've watched him play enough to see that he doesn't have a strong arm by any stretch of the imagination. Neither does Elliott.

I'm not bashing surratt. I just hope Ruder takes the job because to take the job as a true freshman he would have to be an immense talent and a quick learner. And we could use a 3-4 year starter who wins games to get some momentum going.

 

[ticket2ride04]

Surratt throws lollipops. I've watched him play enough to see that he doesn't have a strong arm by any stretch of the imagination. Neither does Elliott.

I'm not bashing surratt. I just hope Ruder takes the job because to take the job as a true freshman he would have to be an immense talent and a quick learner. And we could use a 3-4 year starter who wins games to get some momentum going.

If Ruder is that good, I hope he gets the job. I just think you are underselling Surratt. His arm is stronger than you are giving credit. His poor throws are a result of confidence. He’s hesitant and not ripping the ball. He’s thinking too much. I suspect we’ll see a big jump next year in Surratt

 

[franklin street]

can surratt throw the ball forward?
the kids young so he has time to improve but i haven't seen anything that makes me optimistic.