Lubin To Raleigh...
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in all seriousness, more people want to play for Wade than Hubert so the Moo boys are making some nice moves in the portal. please can we stop the Hubert experiment.
Lol. I don't want to lose Lubin, I also don't think he is a star. Loosing Lubin to State is shameful. We have playing time for him! I know NIL and transfer rules changed college basketball, and if we had multiple guys he had to compete with for PT, I would understand. Now we are just loosing players because they simply don't want to be here. Hope this news is just gossip, but I wouldn't be surprised if true.
We had back-up center minutes for Lubin. Maybe he doesn't want to be a backup for his senior season?
PF: Wilson/Stevenson
C: Veesaar
If he goes to MOOU after his "heartfelt promise" he's dead to me.
In this particular case it is an individual lack of integrity problem on Screwbin's part regardless of who is coach.
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Ah... That would be incorrect in this case. Vassar will be the starting Center, Period. Also, the 4 spot will be manned by Wilson and Stevenson. There are no starting type minutes available for Lubin. So, instead of coming back and fighting harder for minutes he is not just leaving but it appears that he is going to Raleigh as well...
I understand his desire to not spend his last year on the bench. I don't understand why he even bothered posting something he knew wasn't sincere AND I absolutely hate when peeps show they are afraid of competition! No matter how the pathetic hate brigade feels, this has nothing to do with coaching and everything to do with either lacking confidence in one's ability to compete or knowing you cannot win a starting position! Only the willfully ignorant could have missed Lubin's development last year and how effectively our coaches used him!
I wish him well and hope Moo or wherever he ends up fits his needs. I wish him well and hope he finds his niche and gets a chance to play for pay!
I wish him well and hope Moo or wherever he ends up fits his needs. I wish him well and hope he finds his niche and gets a chance to play for pay!
So you believe Lubin would start over Veesaar if we made a coaching change???
I can explain why he posted what he did TP.
Really wish folks would not spin this stuff to fit their own narratives, way to much of that going on lately. Lubin agreed to his deal to play for us next season, offer was extended and offer was accepted. Lubin then saw what kind of money was having to be paid out and wanted his bag to look at least in the same neighborhood. I think he over estimated his own value to UNC. So, in what I think was a move suggested by his agent, waited til very late in the portal to let UNC know he needed more money and that he would have to enter the portal if they didn't come up with a number he would accept, feeling l;ate in the portal he had leverage and UNC would be desperate to keep their back up center. Thing was Lubin wanted more money than we had allocated in the NIL fund and he was not all that marketable from a 3rd party aspect. So Lubin took the next step he entered the portal.
Now why say what he did on social media, first was it his intent to come back to UNC and play next season, I think it was, I think he fully believed UNC would cave and come up with the extra cash he wanted. He said what he did on social media for 2 reasons, first he did not want to have the image of a guy that was more about money than UNC and come back to UNC, he didn't want to look like the bad guy image wise.
Second, the stuff about wanting clarity of potential legislation, 2 things are involved. First, will a 5th season of eligibility be granted for everyone by the NCAA? Lubin at best may make some money in Europe but he will never sniff the NBA. He was wanting a better feel to the question of can I make good money for just the 1 more season I now have or for 2 seasons if a 5th year is allowed. 2 more seasons would make it easier for him to come back and know he has yet another season he could make NIL money because he isn't looking at huge pay days to play after college. The other aspect, and 1 I think folks should be talking about is there is some federal government involvement that seems to be coming down the pike, around July 1 we should know more but they are looking to put together a clearing house that all 3rd party NIL deals must go thru, they will have to be true 3rd party commercial deals and not booster related deals given just to induce a player to play for a certain school, which is what NIL was supposed to be. Word is that as much as 80% or more of the current NIL deals would NOT be allowed by this clearing house. So the money train would slow down greatly from what we see right now.
This is pretty simple ......he wanted starter minutes and a promise that he would start. HD would not commit to that...he goes shopping and moo gives him what he wants....plus more cash imo. He will start for Wade and moo which is obviously opening up the checkbook to attract better players
I hope the wuffies do over pay Lubin, they will have to and go ahead and give Haggerty that $4 mil he wants! You know bringing in Williams was not cheap, he is the real player they got. They are setting themselves up for a lot of player discontent, when the other players see what their team mates are making and feel like they are getting minimum wage that is not going to be a happy locker room.
I get why he left. He wanted to get as much as he could during his college career. I suspect he planned to return, but other offers came his way. I am not sure he expects the blow back from going to State, but there it is.
The current state of affairs isn't sustainable for college bball. Too much money , too many fingers in the pie, and not enough guardrails and rules.
Schools should have a limit of payout, NIL can be raised outside the school budget but needs regulations. The portal should be open to two transfers in 4 years. There needs to be an establishment of contract and obligation by the players. It would also reestablish some education in the mix. 6 months of crib classses don't make schooling even if its sports 101. As it stands players and their agents/minions stand to profit morefrom short term "contracts" than longer term commitments. For Dook, that is the norm- they are all "one and done" but for the majority of players it is more complicated and longer term. Like it or not the schools still have the format to showcase the talent the players have. Players should be able to profit for their talent and "likeness" but not at the school's expense. Yes schools have made real money on the sports programs and will continue. There is a balance to be had.
As for Hubert's rep, he has work to do and needs to prove it on the court in the next season. Hopefully he will get a backup center, a wing that can shoot and a back up point guard. I am not sure I even want a "star" player, a consistent player yes, a smart player yes and preferably experienced at the level of play UNC needs.
This is closer to reality. Bottom line is money is what initiated his Portal entry. UNC was offering a pay-cut (at least as he perceived it).
Now, as to when or by whom this was inititated, you'll get different stories from the opposing sides, but yes, there was absolutely a gap between his and UNC's valuation of his services.
Sad how integrity is so weak in today's youth. From team to team to team to team... WHY AM I SURPRISED.
A year at MOOU after literally promising to return to UNC.
All hail multiple years at Chipotle and used car lots.
Fcuk lack of integrity. You reap what you sow.
A year at MOOU after literally promising to return to UNC.
All hail multiple years at Chipotle and used car lots.
Fcuk lack of integrity. You reap what you sow.
Unless I missed something, I don't think he or anyone mentioned anything about Lubin starting over Veesaar.
This whole thread is about Lubin leaving because Veesaar will take his spot as the starting center. That particular poster said that Lubin leaving is a coaching problem.
Look, let's put it rest, at least as much as we can:
Lubin left because of money, i.e., his perception of his value vs UNC's perception.
As I understand it, he made around 800k last season, and it came down to a situation of either us thinking he was overpaid or him thinking he was underpaid or some combination thereof (you'll get different stories from the opposing sides, both of which may be true, TBH).
Anyway, his agent shopped him. hoping to attract more $$ (I mean, after all the time is now to do that), thinking that either UNC would match or counter-offer, or he'd go elsewhere for a bigger payday. His camp quickly floated an alleged offer of close to 2mil from an SEC school (MsSt?... can't remember off the top of my head) --- that I never really believed --- that magically disappeared just as the current noise about State cropped up.
As for said noise, I am told it is indeed true that Lubin has cut a deal with pear-shape-boy in Raleigh, and that the amount will come in at just over 1 mil.
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Wade is indeed the real deal. He can win, and most of what has tarnished him in the past is now legal. Plus, that never would have hampered him with Wuffie fans.
As for Hubert, he is an alum. He is a decent man. And it is at least 10 times more important for UNC to invest big time in football than to again play to Moo's basketball move.
All that means that Hubert not only comes back for next year, but he may well need to be successfully encouraged to resign so UNC can avoid a payout of any kind. Basketball is a distant #w sport in terms of the nation and ins terms of finances. There is pinky one way to make the UNC athletics department each and powerful like those at schools such as Texas, Bama, LSU, tOSU, Michigan, ND. If UNC does not do that sucessfully, then we will see non-revenue sports getting cut.
Wade is nothing special as a coach. His winning at each level (even most recenlty at McNeese) has come from comparative roster advantage to his immediate competition obtained thru the most egregiously illegal means --- which, as you said, is now pretty much par for the course. And even that ran outta gas at LSU once everyone started paying.
State has apparently come up with enough money from pissed-off alums to go all-in to pay for the least scrupulous coach in the game and buying him an instantly competitve roster. I hope they (don't) get what they paid for.
I have come to the conclusion also in the NIL game that UNC is focusing on football, I have also come to the conclusion UNC will abandon the ACC next chance they get. Can you imagine a Belichick coaching in the SEC and UNC getting a HUGE bag, and after that they start throwing money at star basketball talent. Maybe?
As far as Lubin, take the money from State.
I would add, despite the increase of what is considered "in-bounds", it wouldn't be wise for anyone to think that going "out-of-bounds" to gain advantage has lost any of its lure, with its normalcy not far behind. [EDIT] ... and why would any be surprised if/when someone who had gone OOB before, resorts to going OOB again, despite the increased scope of what is legal
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Secondary priority to a legit 3, but they are indeed looking.
Serious question...is it possible to cheat nowadays?
Point shaving by players happened in a few games last year (North Carolina A&T, Mississippi Valley State and Eastern Michigan). With online gambling available everywhere, point shaving could happen more than it is caught.
Yeah, but any consistent enforcement is a whole nuther matter.
And the wild west environment just encourages more and more blatant cash-grabs, so I expect the worst.
Fax. They’ve opened Pandora’s box. What happens when they actually attempt to really enforce and the Power 5 threaten to leave?
Bet your NIL paychecks on FanDuel and then point shave the games so your bet wins?
That’s not cheating. Just call the 1 800 number at the bottom of the ad and all is forgiven and your problems go away.
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